White Spot / Ich

[Foo Hong]

Who has this problem? And your most trusted method of curing it.

[Chris Yew]

What are the symptoms?

Chris Yew

[Foo Hong]

normally termed white spots on bodies/fins. Fish usually twitches, dashes suddenly, scratched agst hard surfaces, etc... cos betta feel the irritation of these parasites.....just like we get bitten by mossies :D

[derrick kuah]

hi, my fishes had a outbreak last two wk. its started with white spot than finrot attacked dosai fin(rotted) then turned black colour with open sore showing fresh(raw). i tried all kinds of medications.malachite green,m -blue, yellow powder. oceanfree anti-rot,malafite..etc. the fishes died one after other(about 40pcs)individual containers. i pinpoted the soure(my overnight water)aging water.then i have my friend frm a farm,asking me to try with permanganes potash and yellow powder(antibiotic). i tried and its worked.for the last wks ,i have only two fishes having same problems but was cured with same treatments. dr hsu, what your comments.pottasium permanganes are normally use for treatment of wound for human.thk n reds derrick++

di di

[Foo Hong]

If the name is correct, I ve seen potassium permaganate[PG] used in a farm. That incident I saw was to treat sick guppies attacked by bateria from dirty daphnia[well?].
A tub was prepared with clean water and PG applied, the water stirred. The solution darken like ink. The guppies scooped in a huge net and the whole lot[about 100] were immersed in their net into the PG solution. 15secs. Out into clean water.

The owner says 95% will recover. I think I will try this on a few bettas to experiment. But never thot its effective against parasites. Guess PG acts like yellow powder but much stronger so use with care?

[Dr Hsu]

Potassium permanganate is a good antiseptic and will kill all kinds of things. Works by oxidizing, like chlorine. It will only act topically and will not kill anything it does not have direct contact with ie will not cure internal problems. Dosage can be found in most fish diz books, just make sure it is not too strong as it can also burn gills! Also don't spill on your favourite white polo shirt - stains cannot be removed!

Regards,

Li Chieh

"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"
"The more I know, the more I know that there is more that I don't know!"

[Chris Yew]

A better way to treat a serious parasitic disease of fish, known as ich or whitespot is by Potassium Permanganate as shown in the article;
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2001/010821.htm

and;
http://www.fishdoc.co.uk/treatments/potassium%20permanganate.htm

and how it looks like;
http://www.pondrx.com/potassium.html

Chris Yew

[derrick kuah]

thank guys, foo hong, chris n dr hsu.
at least i know what i m doing.espcailly the articles from chris. cheers guys thank a million thk n rdgs derrick++

di di

[Chris Yew]

You are welcome DI DI!

Ichthyophthirius multifiliis (or ICK or ICH) is a protozoan parasite. In its microscopic free-swimming stage called a theront, it burrows into skin or gills of fish to feed on mucus and tissue. It grows to the next stage, a trophont, and creates a white spot--pustule--resembling a salt grain. When the mature trophont falls from the fish, it forms a cyst where thousands of theronts develop. They burst out and resume the cycle--all in a week or less.

Chris Yew

[imported_n/a]

Where can Potassium permanganate be obtained?

[imported_n/a]

Thanks. BTW, what does 1% BP mean?

[Dr Hsu]

1% = 1%, usually weight/vol or vol/vol

BP = British phamacia or something like that - a British standardization for drugs. There's also USP = US standard

Don't bother about it. Get the crystals and surf the web on how to use it.


Regards,

Li Chieh

"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"
"The more I know, the more I know that there is more that I don't know!"

[Foo Hong]

The leftovers can also be kept as yr household medication, eg if you fall off from yr roller blades and had a wound <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. Just buy a bottle in crystal form from chemist. I dont know what is the dosage but I guess when it comes to mthy blue, P pergamanate and yellwo powder, I use the 'may teh force be with you' approach. ie, arga arga.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

White spot is a very common disease amongst all fishes and can be easily cured using M-blue.

But recently I had 2 spawns totaling 2000 fries which I threw into a grow-out tank and with daily supply of daphnia for them. They grew well until they are about 3-4 weeks when white-spot attacked.

Reason of the virus attack is not know but the fact is that the fries just die off one by one and eventually when I decide to clean out the tank to sterilise the tank ... there are only about 5 out of the 2000 fries managed to survive!!!

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)
quote:Originally posted by Phil Ngo

Hi Sam,

Yes i do note that you are the one with hugh spawns. In my observation, I do note that small spawns usually results in healthier fries. Fries also tend to grow faster when you keep them in small batches. You may want to consider splitting them up once they are about a week old into 2 or more lots. That way your fries will have much better chances of survival. White spot is really not much of a problem. A drop of MB and some salt will help clear them in your fry tanks.


quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

Thanks Phil,

I think I have learnt my lesson on the large spawns.
MB is good medication for white spot but my problem is that the tank is too big for the MB to take effect. Will try to either lower the water next time if thewhite-spot happens again or maybe remove all the fries for separate treatment .... instaed of using the grow-out tank for treatments.

With Best Regards,


Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by simliangyi

help guys.. some of my bettas got attact by what seems to be like white spot..they have some fine salt lke spot in their fins on some on their body.the fish all seems healthy and very active.. still flaring at each other and no movenment of illness can be seen.. i had been using ocean free F for about 3 days but the problem is still there and a little bit worse.after 2 days of first dose i change 50 percent of water and add another dose..am i doing the right things and how long will the white spot actually be cured? thanks..
Hi Liang Yi

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