Betta rack/barracks

[roycheok]

There seem to be enough interest to start thinking about this.
Those of you who have seen my setup...50 acrylic tanks with individual double-overflow...sump, DIY at cost less than $200.
What do you guys think of it...how can it be improved.

If response, i may get into part-time betta rack manufacturing...haha.

OK..the systems works...unless your maid accidentially turn off the
switch to the main pump. My drawback...was that those uneaten
tubifex worms get drawn into the sump over time..and that tends to
foul up the water.

[Dr Hsu]

Never seem to be able to find the time to see your system!

50 fishes for $200 should be a deal. The tanks alone are already $50+ at wholesale price.

Am re-thinking my tank design (yah, always ideas but no tank yet!) based on how they are keeping lou hans now. Think this design will work as there's a similar (at least for the principles) design on a commercial laboratory system that cost literally in the tens of thousands......wait for the prototype!

Should be able to make our systems modular and thus scalable up to the number of fish you want - can get someone to build and then BCS can market, take a cut.....

Regards,

Li Chieh
"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"
"The more I know, the more I know that there is more that I don't know!"

[Chris Yew]

Any draft or blueprint to view?

chris yew

quote:
There seem to be enough interest to start thinking about this.
Those of you who have seen my setup...50 acrylic tanks with individual double-overflow...sump, DIY at cost less than $200.
What do you guys think of it...how can it be improved.

If response, i may get into part-time betta rack manufacturing...haha.

OK..the systems works...unless your maid accidentially turn off the
switch to the main pump. My drawback...was that those uneaten
tubifex worms get drawn into the sump over time..and that tends to
foul up the water.




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[Dr Hsu]

Sorry Chris, it's all in my head at this time. However, go to this site and you can have an idea of the principles for the individual tanks:

http://aquatichabitats.com/

Regards,

Li Chieh
"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"
"The more I know, the more I know that there is more that I don't know!"

[Chris Yew]

Hi Li Chieh,

That's really a very good system! Like it very much but not the price!

The overall look is good;


http://aquatichabitats.com/images/clear_isoplex.jpg

The design is superb;
http://aquatichabitats.com/images/flow_diagram.jpg

The self cleaning tank is something I'm very keen to know how it works;
http://aquatichabitats.com/images/pt116.jpg

How the poo and remaining food will be suck out?

Chris Yew



Edited by - Chris Yew on 26 Jun 2002 20:45:12

[Dr Hsu]

Chris,

How do you pull those pictures out? And they look even clearer here than on their website on my computer!!!

My interest is in the flow in the individual tanks - if you look at some of the lou han systems here, it is basically the same idea - water flow causes the feces etc to be pushed/pulled to the end where it then flows upwards between a glass "sandwhich" and overflows into a receiving recepticle which then leads to a filter.

A full system like in the website is ideal but also a little more complicated. I am thinking of a single self contained level with individual tanks created by glass/plastic seperators - think of a cross between Foo Hong style barracks and louhan barracks. This makes it modular in that each shelf is self contained and you just add them one on top of another in a rack, which can be custom made or over the counter shelving system.

Think it'll work?

Regards,

Li Chieh
"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"
"The more I know, the more I know that there is more that I don't know!"

[Chris Yew]

Hi Li Chieh,

To put a pix in here is easy. Go to any site and point your mouse at the picture. Right click your mouse and go to "Properties" right at the bottom. Click the Properties, and it will display a whole list of things under a General heading. Go to the URL (address) and you will see the URL of that pix. Juz copy that address by highlighting it with you mouse (http://........jpg or gif usally).

Click on the http://www.bettaclubsingapore.com/snitz_forums/icon_editor_image.gif and insert in between the "[-img]" "[-img]" by pasting the address.

Now I understand the cleaning system already. But that means the water flow pressure have to be very accurate so that the poo will be waste away to the side and gets lifted up to the overflow pipe.

Chris Yew




Edited by - Chris Yew on 26 Jun 2002 21:28:23

[Dr Hsu]

OK, got the insert pic idea but why is the picture clearer????? <img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

I believe with an overflow system and not too high a water level, it will work. What I can't figure out is if the flow will be too high for a betta. I think this question can only be answered by building a prototype, so one of these days I will think about doing it.....

Regards,

Li Chieh
"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"
"The more I know, the more I know that there is more that I don't know!"

[Foo Hong]

one set back with these systems is that you have to strike a good balance between a strong enuf flow of water turnover so that the overall filteration is effcient and no one fish gets sick, and a flwo of water that is not so strong such that the betta feels like it is in some marine reef tank setup.

I find that the detritus /faeces buidl p is not a problem. large particles may initially build up in each compartment, but over time they break up into smaller grains due to bacterial action, which is then light enough to be carried by the water flow to the the filter eventually.

[roycheok]

Chris/Li Chieh

Both of you need to view my system. It's a hybrid of the system that is displayed here. I have a double overflow within each tank..which draws up the dirt from the bottom of the tank (instead of the surface as in a normal overflow)...the main difference is that the drawn water flows into the next tank....down 5 tanks deep....while the featured system drains it immediately to a sump. I can modify my system to do that too...just a bit more plumbing and individual shelves...instead of directly stacking one container on top of ther other..

[roycheok]

One thing...while the flow rate appears to be important...in my system, my flow rate is like a fast drip...(not continuous)...and couple with the fact that the betta swims and stirs up the water in the tank...this is sufficient water movement to ensure that all dirt and deritus is pulled up into the overflow and down into the drain.

Also, a fast drip will not make the betta feel that it has to swim against current..as in a reef tank.

The only downside of the featured system...is that you may 4 or 5 pipes to deliver water to each tray of tanks....does that mean you need 4 or 5 powerheads to deliver the water ...one powerhead to each level...and at such a height, the powerheads will cost substantial $$...because you will need Powerheads that are rated for head pressure instead of flow-rate....you can get a flow rate of 800L/H...
but the pump may not be able to push the water up even 2 ft.

[Foo Hong]

Roy,
your system is fine. Actually I recalled that it resembles one of the marine aquarium wholesaler s setup. Thats in bkt batok then. It is a mega steup. essentially it works the same way. water from a large sump is pumped up to the highest level of tanks. each tank in each row has an overflow that sends extra water to its next lower level of tanks, and so on and on until it reaches the lowest level the sump. Every type of water treatment [ u name it ] is done at the sump level and treated water is then recirculated and pumped up again to the highest level and whole cycle repeats.

[Myron Tay]

[quote]quote:Originally posted by Todd Knight

I would like to get some feedback on this barracks system. Any comments would be greatly appreciated as I am still experimenting with the design.

Ita

[Todd Knight]

modifications were done before Lyons post, as it only takes one day to make a system, so changes can be made very quikly.
In Australia were are new at the betta game so there isn't anyone to bounce Ideas off. You guy's & girls are way ahead of us with everything to do with bettas. I put the first one I made up so I could get feed back to find out if I was heading in the right direction.
Waste is sucked out of the tanks with a siphon hose. A little time consuming as has been said but the system is on over a 3000 litre recycling system so they are in a huge amount of water, so we just need to keep their fins out of the waste.
No fish is put on a system unless it has been in "quarantine" (isolated) for at least 4 weeks. No live foods are fed, only bacteria free frozen blood worms and pellets.
Oddly enough I put a UV lamp on one of the systems we had nothing but sick fish, turned the light off and all the fish are well and happy again. Any ideas why??
Out of interest the barracks are made of acrylic my work was throwing out. It was too scratched to be useful to them anymore.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

Hi Li Chieh,

That's really a very good system! Like it very much but not the price!

The overall look is good;

The design is superb;

The self cleaning tank is something I'm very keen to know how it works;

How the poo and remaining food will be suck out?

Chris YewGuess the poo and remaining food will have to be siphoned out as in Todd's system?

[sylwester]

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

Guess the poo and remaining food will have to be siphoned out as in Todd's system?


I don't have such system, but I know food usually isn't a problem. Poo is, but not as big a problem as with dead water. Of course, no drip system will take away waste. It will only filter water.

Todds system looks like good work, but there is still one thing that this system doesn't have but most other system have. The ability to take away separation so that they could see each other a little every day. How are you going to 'train' your fish?

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by diego vera

hi rirgth now i have 150 youg bettas until are togehter
but soon i know that i need a sistem to get all but separated
ist sould heplme to feed

to filtrate und

keep tem rigth
becausei live in teather cold

hepl me please
Hi Diego

You would need a betta barrack.

[diego vera]

hi Myron yes i do now i have 150 yougn bettas but still they are togehter
but soon i have to separeted all
i see this topic isvery interesting and useful

now i making that und i talk u all i make

grettings panas (brothers)

[diego vera]

hi some may explain me with the barrcas above how i should sipon how works the shipon

please

[Myron Tay]

Another betta barrack idea: http://arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48201

[diego vera]

thanks Myron

[diego vera]

hi MYRON I LIKE TOO MUCHO YOUR SISTEM OF BARRCAS BUT HOW WORKS TO CHANGE WATER

I NEED TO KNOW HOW U SIPHON THE WATER UNTIL FILTER
HEPL ME PLEASE