Swim Bladder Problem

[Eric Yeo]

Any cure??l[cnf]

[Kelvin Tan]

quote:Originally posted by Eric Yeo

Any cure??l[cnf]


interpet

[Phil]

It might not be worthwhile trying to cure it because it is bound to be a weaker fish even when cured.

[Ong Ginyew]

i juz do frequet change of water and no food for 2days than ok liao.
may b can help.....juz my 2 cents.

[Kelvin Tan]

all my fries etc swim bladder 100% cure within 8 hours of using med with no after effects leh

[Foo Hong]

Maybe I should be corrected. But I believe a true swim bladder problem is very very diff to cure, and in most cases uncurable.....maybe can ask Kenho abt those upside down ranchus :D

Some so called SB problem is actually just short term over eating. Esp if they take floating type foods[flakes, pellets, etc] which have strong bouyancy, the fish will float unless he digested n passes out the food. After disgestion of 6 hours or so, the fish regains its equilibrium and swims normally. However, over eating in young fish can also cause permanent damage to the SB, so much so that the SB appears to loose its 'elasticity'. Try putting in $1 Tubifex in a tank with 10 fries for 24hrs for 7 days and u will see all teh fishes floating. This type of prolonged effect causes true SB damage. This last type is what I think is true SB problem.

[Kelvin Tan]

there is basically two types of swim bladder disease, one which is the effect of over bulging stomach that depress on the swim bladder hence making a permanent damage over the physical development of the swim bladder over time.

the other type is due to disease.


i also think we should try to encourage all to try and treat their betta cos most of our bettas are dear to us, and most of newbies fish are purchases so they cant bear to give up on their fishs just like that.

so far interpet has been the most effective and only med around.

[kennho]

I can't give a conclusive solution as I do not classify most cases as swimming bladder dieases.

Kelvin, interpet no 7 or 8 ?

However, prolong exposure to bouyancy problem will result in a permanent damage of the bladder. Pretty normal to see in almost any types of fish.

For fries which developing such symptoms normally due to overfeeding and blocking the development of the bladder. The end result will be quite bad. Some may recover but you will find that the bladder is slightly shorter than the normal ones. They might look good during the young age, but will not make it as it grow much older.

Of course, for most adult fish, a dieases is sure another cause. Erh .... can be cure, but a lot of work to identify the real cause. Could be parasites, could be bacteria, could be internal, could be external, could be just bad water condition .... each of it has some form of symptoms and behaviour reaction ... all don't appear for no reason. like for ranchu with such diease, sorry, restricted info.

It's the effect we can see, it's the cause we need to find.

[Kelvin Tan]

its interpet no. 13. quite amazed by the med cos it cured every single swim bladder fries i had. up to you to believe but i know kenn would go and buy a bottle to try soon after i say this haha.

[Dr Hsu]

quote:Originally posted by kennho

It's the effect we can see, it's the cause we need to find.


Therein lies the problem.....

[kennho]

quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

its interpet no. 13. quite amazed by the med cos it cured every single swim bladder fries i had. up to you to believe but i know kenn would go and buy a bottle to try soon after i say this haha.


No. 13 ... ahhhh ... another one of the bacteria antibiotics [be] I guess there should be a statement that it should be more effective with the use of 0.5% saline solution somewhere in Interpet advisory.

The thing is what are the probable causes ? How could we prevent ?

[Phil]

For preventive meassure, control your feeding at any one time. I don't give more than 8 Larvas or tubifex worms at any feeding. Yes I do count them:Derh that is for the adults. The younger ones gets about 3 at each feed.

quote:Originally posted by kennho

I can't give a conclusive solution as I do not classify most cases as swimming bladder dieases.

Kelvin, interpet no 7 or 8 ?

However, prolong exposure to bouyancy problem will result in a permanent damage of the bladder. Pretty normal to see in almost any types of fish.

For fries which developing such symptoms normally due to overfeeding and blocking the development of the bladder. The end result will be quite bad. Some may recover but you will find that the bladder is slightly shorter than the normal ones. They might look good during the young age, but will not make it as it grow much older.

Of course, for most adult fish, a dieases is sure another cause. Erh .... can be cure, but a lot of work to identify the real cause. Could be parasites, could be bacteria, could be internal, could be external, could be just bad water condition .... each of it has some form of symptoms and behaviour reaction ... all don't appear for no reason. like for ranchu with such diease, sorry, restricted info.

It's the effect we can see, it's the cause we need to find.

[Foo Hong]

Wah ...count?

Only u can do.....worms also got S, M, L, XL XXL....so how to deal [eb]?

I also think a lot of problems voiced on betta problems is due to bad feedng at young age
quote:Originally posted by Phil Ngo

For preventive meassure, control your feeding at any one time. I don't give more than 8 Larvas or tubifex worms at any feeding. Yes I do count them:Derh that is for the adults. The younger ones gets about 3 at each feed.

quote:Originally posted by kennho

I can't give a conclusive solution as I do not classify most cases as swimming bladder dieases.

Kelvin, interpet no 7 or 8 ?

However, prolong exposure to bouyancy problem will result in a permanent damage of the bladder. Pretty normal to see in almost any types of fish.

For fries which developing such symptoms normally due to overfeeding and blocking the development of the bladder. The end result will be quite bad. Some may recover but you will find that the bladder is slightly shorter than the normal ones. They might look good during the young age, but will not make it as it grow much older.

Of course, for most adult fish, a dieases is sure another cause. Erh .... can be cure, but a lot of work to identify the real cause. Could be parasites, could be bacteria, could be internal, could be external, could be just bad water condition .... each of it has some form of symptoms and behaviour reaction ... all don't appear for no reason. like for ranchu with such diease, sorry, restricted info.

It's the effect we can see, it's the cause we need to find.

[kennho]

must kow tow Phil. Your workers really good. COUNT WORMS !!!! u dun count bbs as well rite ???

[Foo Hong]

Thats why I say Phil a bit crazy.

[Phil]

No BBS no count lah! but my guys will give the worms/larvas usinga duck spoon. Hence quite easy for him to see the amount they give to each bettas. Tubifex worms are usually quite uniform in size

FH. Where do you get your S,M, L, XL from. One size fits all. I Don't give the ultra thick TXW neither do i give compost worms![be]. Those you can give to the LH fries.



quote:Originally posted by kennho

must kow tow Phil. Your workers really good. COUNT WORMS !!!! u dun count bbs as well rite ???

[Eric Yeo]

wow! wow! cure and no cure[cnf]

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Jodi Lea

Hi All,
has anyone been able to "fix" fry once the swim bladder has been damaged? At least I am assuming that is why they have turned into sliders - too much food and swim bladder damaged. Have had a lot of sliders come through in a CT and HM spawn. The other 2 spawns - same age - seem fine. Did I just overfeed 2 spawns, and not the others. I mainly use bbs and microworms. Perhaps some bloodlines are more predisposed to this condition?
Thanks, J
Jodi

Some solutions you can try on this thread.

[Daniel Chia]

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Daniel%20Chia/200495235034_swimbladder.jpg

This particular case of Swim Bladder Disorder was due to overfeeding. It recovered after 2 days of fasting.

The following site has some good info on Swim Bladder Disorder.

http://bettas.fishjunkies.com/Disorders/sbd.php/Disorders/sbd.php

[Daniel Chia]

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Daniel%20Chia/200495235034_swimbladder.jpg

This particular case of Swim Bladder Disorder was due to overfeeding. It recovered after 2 days of fasting.

The following site has some good info on Swim Bladder Disorder.

http://bettas.fishjunkies.com/Disorders/sbd.php/Disorders/sbd.php

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Ken Yong

Hi to all Betta Masters,

One of my betta stays near the surface of the water. When I drop food to the bottom of the tank, it seems to be having problem swimming down towards to food. Seems like it is floating towards the surface of the water while trying very hard to swim down. Please advise.
Sounds like a swim bladder problem. More on this thread.

[gina]

I think it depends on which stage as well. If it already looks like a durian, then that is where we stop helping. If it is bulging slightly, then pimafix or sera might help and water conditions must be very good at this period and dont even try giving any worms to the fish at this stage. Although I have been advised by the LFS that there is no point to spend $8 on a bottle of medicine to help fish that has a slim chance of survival, but i guess as owners, we feel the need to fulfill our moral obligations.

[Gerry Antonio]

Greetings from the Philippines.
May I know the active ingredient of interpet (?)
I use Metronidazole, an anti-bacterial antibiotic, to medicate Swim Bladder disorder for my Flowehorns. It takes some time to cure though.
Planning to use this for my Betta juveniles.
For now I simply feed the afflicted juveniles to my hungry Flowerhorns.:D