Best Water Conditioner / Dechlorinator?

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Guys,

May I know what do you think is the best water conditioner in the market in terms of performance and price?

I have not been using any of these conditioner but are thinking of trying it out. Appreciate any comments.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan


Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[kennho]

Since the topic on water conditioners and shampoo ... how about a small survey of what you are using. maybe can spur up some discussion later.

1. Brand/Type
2. Dosage
3. Any other added/mixed ?
4. Direct to fish tank or for refilling age water ?

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me start first hor ...

1. No brand - sodium thiosulfate crystal
2. sorry, confidential
3. nil
4. refill age water tanks

[Dr Hsu]

Just to stir this up again 'cause it's an interesting subject. This is my routine nowadays:

1. Brand - none: nowadays using straight tap water (central area)
2. Dosage - N.A.
3. Any other added/mixed: Sometimes ketapang - aga, aga...to light brown for general use, dark for "off" fishes
4. Direct to fish tank.

Not recommended for everyone! My ideal:

1. Use good conditioner eg Aquaplus, Sera?
2. As per label instructions
3. Ketapang essence, light salt
4. Aged in large holding tank with aeration

This is a case of "do what I say, not what I do!" ;)

[Ong Ginyew]

Hi Dr Hsu.... how long do u age ur water and wat is d max no of days u will age it?

[Dr Hsu]

Right now? 0 days!

Given a choice, probably just have a large fiber/plastic water tank (commercial type) and just age in it with aeration. Use till low level then top up and continue!

[Ong Ginyew]

oic...so u dun age ur water like 1 or 2 days? any filter in it?

[Dr Hsu]

No, and no. Nowadays I don't age water and the only tanks with filter are some of the fry tanks

[Chris Yew]

OK,this is what I do nowadays. Change water every alternate days. Complete change direct from tap with conditioner.

1. Brand/Type - Aquaplus by Hagen
2. Dosage - 1 drops per SKP container and 3 drops per PET container
3. Any other added/mixed ? - No. Black water extract for 'off fishes'
4. Direct to fish tank or for refilling age water ? - Yes, no aging of water.

[Myron Tay]

Be careful with the dosage for Aquaplus! Use the lower recommended dosage (10ml per 70 litres). I have also read on the web the effectiveness of the product Amquel by Kordon. Can check whether PetMart has that.

[kennho]

Amquel is using a patent chemical, a complex form of sodium thiosulphate with ..... that erh .... in actual fact, break down chloramines to the basic states and form 2 different compounds with the Cl and NH. These compounds are stable in low pH but once the pH is hitting on the high side > ph 8.0 , the 2 toxins (Cl, NH) will be free and become toxic again in very high ppm.

As for Aquaplus .... the dosage is meant for 2ppm of chloramine, and possible as high as 25ppm of chlorine. Highly suitable for pple staying in the central area. Anyway, I still trying to figure out what PHE (pure herbal extract) they are using.

[Foo Hong]

Amquel ah! is it made in Taiwan one?

[kennho]

USA brand, Patented and Registered chemical listed. Anyway, Reebok made in Indonesia, Nike made in China, Polo made in Thailand, Timberland made in Dominican Republic .............. USA lah.

[Ong Ginyew]

so which will u say is better....Amquel or Aquaplus?

[Myron Tay]

Thanks Kenn. So you would not recommend Amquel in Singapore?

quote:Originally posted by kennho

Amquel is using a patent chemical, a complex form of sodium thiosulphate with ..... that erh .... in actual fact, break down chloramines to the basic states and form 2 different compounds with the Cl and NH. These compounds are stable in low pH but once the pH is hitting on the high side > ph 8.0 , the 2 toxins (Cl, NH) will be free and become toxic again in very high ppm.

As for Aquaplus .... the dosage is meant for 2ppm of chloramine, and possible as high as 25ppm of chlorine. Highly suitable for pple staying in the central area. Anyway, I still trying to figure out what PHE (pure herbal extract) they are using.

[kennho]

I think I got my facts mess up again on the pH factor. Always make me blur once in a while.

Amquel should be good for local use, especially mono-chloramines. Don't seems to find it in LFS. It's a good product for marine tank. However, the dosage is also meant for 4ppm of CL/NH . For local dosage, phew ... liao lui.

The patent chemical is sodium-hydr-oxy-methane-sulfonate. Na.HO.CH2.SO3

Anyway, I found most of us are using Hagen's Aquaplus, Aquarium Products' Genesis, Tetra AquaSafe .....

[Ong Ginyew]

hey kenn...
how bout bio-tech products?
im using a one of those.....
sodium-hydr-oxy-methane-sulfonate...is tat considered as one or all combined together??

[kennho]

Ginyew, if I tell you Genesis is using a form of Di-ethano-lamine .... how har ? 1 drop of such chemical can break down chloramines in 5ppm per litre. If I going to tell the actual name of the chemical used by Amquel, many might just get scare ... it's Sodium Formaldehyde-bisulfite which is unstable in pH above 8.5.

Don't get blur, is just a name to a chemical formed for certain purposes. I break it up so that everyone can aga-aga what the heck I am talking about. What biotech products you referring to ?

[Foo Hong]

Amquel...wah!~

poor man like me use Sera only.....

[Ong Ginyew]

i wun get blur so easily one la:D..... i not sotong leh[be]
hehe

[Ong Ginyew]

its an anti-chlorine....with a koi pic on it...
i think its Bio-Tec Anti-Chlorine.
bought it form rainbow....veri $$$! next time buy other brands better.

[Fahmi]

i scare 2 use anti chlorine scared it will effect the finnage of our bettas...

[Fahmi]

how long would the chlorine break down ???

[kennho]

quote:Originally posted by Fahmi

how long would the chlorine break down ???


Fahmi, not too sure what you mean.

The anti-chlorine liquid actually chemically bond the chlorine ions to form another substance that is not toxic to fish. Reaction is almost instant for most of the commercial liquid, provided sufficient is applied.

[Foo Hong]

I think one of the big question we often ask is whether excessive dosage is harmful, altho as is claimed by the manufacturer, it doesnt.

Also, whether any under dosage leading to remnants of chlorine/chloramine...and how well betta can take it.

[kennho]

FH, why not you dose your antichlorine as according to the label and perform a test before and after.

[SteveHewlett]

Here we have both chlorine and chloramines in our tap water. The chlorine will gas off in a day or so if it is let stand in a bucket but the chloramines take a least two to three weeks to do so. I use Kordon Amquel (removes ammonia, chloramines, and chlorine) and Kordon's NovAqua (removes toxic metals & chlorine) to condition my tap water in a large metal pan with a cermaic coating prior to adding the water to my aquariums. I also slowly heat the conditioned water to the aquariums' temperature on the stove (testing the temp with an aquarium thermometer). Amquel and NovAqua are widely used here in the US and give good results.

[Bond]

quote:Originally posted by SteveHewlett

Here we have both chlorine and chloramines in our tap water. The chlorine will gas off in a day or so if it is let stand in a bucket but the chloramines take a least two to three weeks to do so. I use Kordon Amquel (removes ammonia, chloramines, and chlorine) and Kordon's NovAqua (removes toxic metals & chlorine) to condition my tap water in a large metal pan with a cermaic coating prior to adding the water to my aquariums. I also slowly heat the conditioned water to the aquariums' temperature on the stove (testing the temp with an aquarium thermometer). Amquel and NovAqua are widely used here in the US and give good results.


Hello Steve
I also use Amquel. Every since i started useing it, and when i go to clean the inside of my 10 gal tanks my arms break out into a rash, i use rubbing alchol and it gose away , i just recieved a new pair of 22" gloves .Iam going to see how they work.
Question have you had any problem breaking out, from Amquel.
I youst to work in a chemical plant, mixed a lot of solvents never had and problen. must be some kind of acid in it.
Later Bond

[SteveHewlett]

Hi Bond,

I have never had a problem using either Amquel or NovAqua. Maybe you are allergic to one of the chemicals in Amquel? I am pretty diligent with tank maintenance so I think if I was going to get a rash I would have got one by now.

Steve

[Stan Toh]

Hmm i'm using genesis, ken any comments ? is it good/no good ?

[Daniel Chia]

Hi folks,
I use the Australian-made Aquamaster Armour Coat to condition my the water. According to the label (which has a betta and a goldfish), the product removes chlorine, chloramine and it contains Aloe Vera which protects the fish's mucous membranes and promotes healing.
So far, my bettas are healthy and have not experienced any problem with this water conditioner.

[Silas Khor]

I'm using Aquaplus, and was startled by what Myron suggested with regards to using the lower recommended dosage. 10ml for 70litres! Clearly I've been overdosing the water....
As far as the effect on finnage goes, I see no problems and also I have some faith in that aloe vera extract claim... but overall health.... I don't really think overdosing with aquaplus does much harm....I age my water for two days before water changes...
Is it safe to just use aged water, period....without adding conditioners or anti-chlorine?

[SteveHewlett]

quote:[i]....I age my water for two days before water changes...
Is it safe to just use aged water, period....without adding conditioners or anti-chlorine?


It is if your tap water doesn't have chloramine in it. You can check with your local water authority to find out if it does.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Silas Khor

Is it safe to just use aged water, period....without adding conditioners or anti-chlorine?
Silas

It really depends as Steve mentioned on what your water company puts into the water. I have had a friend who does not use any conditioners or anti-chlorine over here in Singapore and his fish were thriving! The catch? He makes 100% water changes daily.

Personally, I would advocate using at least a dechlorinator to remove the chlorine and chloramine that had been added to most of our tap water.

[wilford goh]

Just to raise a few questions... myron's mentioned using the lower dosage for aquaplus... but on e label the lower dosage is for removing chlorine and the higher dosage is for removing chloroamine... so does it mean that you do not take choloramines into consideration? what i do is i use 30ml of aquaplus to 70L of water (since its 10ml for 70L for chlorine and 10ml for 35L for chloroamine, doubling the dosage for choloramine would mean 20ml for 70L for chloroamine which makes 30ml all in all) so have i overdosed? my bettas seem to be doing fine with the dosage i use but my other fish like guppies n cories dun seem to be doin as well... anyway i have stopped using it for some time now... stuck with one big bottle... hardly used 50ml of the whole bottle...
anybody using ocean free's anti chlorine? i feel more comfortable using it as compared to aquaplus... i oso add ocean free's fish guard too... but e fish guard is supposed to remove chloroamines as well... so does it mean tat i hav to down my anti chlorine dosage?

[Bond]

quote:Originally posted by wilford goh

Just to raise a few questions... myron's mentioned using the lower dosage for aquaplus... but on e label the lower dosage is for removing chlorine and the higher dosage is for removing chloroamine... so does it mean that you do not take choloramines into consideration? what i do is i use 30ml of aquaplus to 70L of water (since its 10ml for 70L for chlorine and 10ml for 35L for chloroamine, doubling the dosage for choloramine would mean 20ml for 70L for chloroamine which makes 30ml all in all) so have i overdosed? my bettas seem to be doing fine with the dosage i use but my other fish like guppies n cories dun seem to be doin as well... anyway i have stopped using it for some time now... stuck with one big bottle... hardly used 50ml of the whole bottle...
anybody using ocean free's anti chlorine? i feel more comfortable using it as compared to aquaplus... i oso add ocean free's fish guard too... but e fish guard is supposed to remove chloroamines as well... so does it mean tat i hav to down my anti chlorine dosage?



Hello Wilford
I have had this sample bottle of AquaSafe by Tetra Aqua
Realy didn't read the instructions til i read your post here on Aqua Plus
After reading it it stated complete formula,Thats what got my attention.Because iam useing Amquiel,and its for water not slime coat

Any way AquaSafe says its good for Bettas and Gold fish.
And says to add 8 drops per gallon of water. Says to make sure water is same tempiture
1 Completely neutralizes Chorine
2Chloramines
3 Heavy metals
4Stimulates the naturalprotective slime coating.

Now in my ordering book it calls it Aqua Safe Plus this little bottle says Aqua Safe .Neither the book or my bottle states doubling up for Chormine The booh says 1 teaspoon per 10gal of water.

Just a thought.
Later Unk Bond

[Silas Khor]

Myron,

I've tried 100% water changes daily, that didn't work for us.... So I lowered it to 50% daily with 24hr aged water, it seemed that the water chemistry still could not settle.
Now it's 50% every two days, and they seem healthy. I've tried redosing Aquaplus though, to a few drops in their pails of aged water. I'll have to get the exact info on the chloramine content in our water supply, and I don't think the water company can be entirely accurate at times. Maybe a chloramine tester...

[wilford goh]

hello bond,
1 have used aquasafe before. stopped using it coz i often end up with a very slimy tank. also, some of my bettas fell sick with slime disease. just my conjecture but i think it's something gotta do with the conditioner... so now i tend to go for conditioners which do not have this protective slime coating or slime coatiing inducing formulae... yep...

ermz myron... so wat's ur take on using the lower recommeded dosage for aquaplus? why not include the higher one as well?

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by wilford goh

hello bond,
1 have used aquasafe before. stopped using it coz i often end up with a very slimy tank. also, some of my bettas fell sick with slime disease. just my conjecture but i think it's something gotta do with the conditioner... so now i tend to go for conditioners which do not have this protective slime coating or slime coatiing inducing formulae... yep...

ermz myron... so wat's ur take on using the lower recommeded dosage for aquaplus? why not include the higher one as well?
Hi Wilford

I believe that previously I had advocated a lower dosage as I was convinced that putting too much Aquaplus could cause fin curl. I have since changed my view to using water with parameters that the fish is used to when it was growing up. Use the same amount of conditioner that the fish is used to though I would advocate still using some conditioner as a preventive measure if nothing else.

[Bond]

quote:Originally posted by wilford goh

hello bond,
1 have used aquasafe before. stopped using it coz i often end up with a very slimy tank. also, some of my bettas fell sick with slime disease. just my conjecture but i think it's something gotta do with the conditioner... so now i tend to go for conditioners which do not have this protective slime coating or slime coatiing inducing formulae... yep...

ermz myron... so wat's ur take on using the lower recommeded dosage for aquaplus? why not include the higher one as well?


Hello Wilford
I guess it has a lot to do with maybe the type of water has in ones area. My water has no chorimine in it.

Now i fully agree with you on the slimy coating on the tank walls.
Like you i changed. I change from Stress Coat to Amquiel and my tanks sides don't seem to have the slime coating. Now i use a tablesoon of salt to 5 gal of water, over here with my type of water.

I flound out if i use extra amquiel it dosen't seem to efect my fish , but it sure breaks me out with a rash on my arms. as if it had some kind of ascid in it. And i youst to work in a chemical lab and seem to bother me, just Amquiel, all in all its doing a good job for me.
Later Unk Bond

[wilford goh]

Hey Myron,
okiez dokiez :) got you point myron... but it ain't gonna be an easy task; using the same dosage throughout the fish's life is difficult unless you breed the fish youself and know the exact dosage...
Hey Bond,
yep! lots to do with the water since its the thing that the fish live in n is what the fish is dependent on. lucky for you but i think here in singapore, chloroamines are added into our water (at least that's what my textbook says...) and i have heard of late that the chlorine level has also gone up in certain areas. all these just make administering the suitable dose even more difficult. we can only estimate and hope that we haven't added too much nor too little.
i've heard about amquel but it doesn't seem to be available here... from what i gathered from US based sites, the most common conditioners used are amquel n novaqua (n mardel maroxy too? not sure if it's just a conditioner or medication...) have you tried the others? still looking around to see if i can find any of those here... oh i read in a mag that the producers of melafix have released a new medication called primafix which is supposed to cure internal diseases... tried it? juding from how well melafix worked, primafix should do very well too!

[Bond]

quote:Originally posted by wilford goh

Hey Myron,
okiez dokiez :) got you point myron... but it ain't gonna be an easy task; using the same dosage throughout the fish's life is difficult unless you breed the fish youself and know the exact dosage...
Hey Bond,
yep! lots to do with the water since its the thing that the fish live in n is what the fish is dependent on. lucky for you but i think here in singapore, chloroamines are added into our water (at least that's what my textbook says...) and i have heard of late that the chlorine level has also gone up in certain areas. all these just make administering the suitable dose even more difficult. we can only estimate and hope that we haven't added too much nor too little.
i've heard about amquel but it doesn't seem to be available here... from what i gathered from US based sites, the most common conditioners used are amquel n novaqua (n mardel maroxy too? not sure if it's just a conditioner or medication...) have you tried the others? still looking around to see if i can find any of those here... oh i read in a mag that the producers of melafix have released a new medication called primafix which is supposed to cure internal diseases... tried it? juding from how well melafix worked, primafix should do very well too!



Hello Wilford
Yes i feel good that i only have chrorine in my water, maybe some water companys in other areas around me might use chormine.
But my water comes up through sand from the deep rivers under ground.

Wilford a vet by the name Johnson said Melaflex is good for some things but for bacteria it dose nothing.

Now i wasn't aware of Primaflex, maybe that is the reason they came out with it.
Novaqua has no aloe in it,and suposed to be used along with Amquiel for slime coat. Not the same as my Stress coat i youst to use.
But like you was talking earlier about slimy coating on tanks.
I think useing salt in make up water will serve the same purpose for fish maintaining there slime coat, and heal at the same time.
Iwas told the other day by email from a very prominet aisin lady that B-12 was very good for split fins,
Later Unk Bond

[SteveHewlett]

Bond, how did you determine that NovAqua has aloe in it? I checked my bottle and there is no mention of it on the label and I also checked the manufacturer's web site and could see no mention of aloe:

http://www.novalek.com/kpds.htm

I'm curious to know because I use NovAqua instead of Stress Coat because I don't want to introduce aloe into the aquarium as I worry about what the long term effects will be if the aloe levels build up.

[SteveHewlett]

I emailed the manufacturers of NovAqua to ask them if aloe is in their product. This is their response:

X-Sender: rofen@prado.com@newmail.prado.com
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:28:28 -0800
To: Steve Hewlett <shewlett@earthlink.net>
From: Robert Rofen <rofen@prado.com>
Subject: NovAqua Question aloe


Steve Hewlett. NovAqua does not have aloe in it, nor is their any scientific evidence that it is beneficial in aquariums and ponds. /.R3

[Bond]

quote:Originally posted by SteveHewlett

I emailed the manufacturers of NovAqua to ask them if aloe is in their product. This is their response:

X-Sender: rofen@prado.com@newmail.prado.com
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:28:28 -0800
To: Steve Hewlett <shewlett@earthlink.net>
From: Robert Rofen <rofen@prado.com>
Subject: NovAqua Question aloe


Steve Hewlett. NovAqua does not have aloe in it, nor is their any scientific evidence that it is beneficial in aquariums and ponds. /.R3



Hello Steve
After reading your post question to me on Aloe in NovAqua.
I ask myself where did i read this or how did i determin it and i search my favorits,checked my ordering book.That fish place. and couldn't come up with it.
So i also emailed the company,That is the reason i didn't answere your post till now i just recieved my reply also.And as you stated above, was his reply to me.
So i want to thank you for correcting me on my mistake, and errow.
So you rightly deserve a thanks of graditude from me. and my apolegy to you and the site for my miss information.I will reword my post.
Again thank you for keeping a old man straight,and for the betterment of others.And i asure you if i had been in your place, i would have done the same thing.
Later
Bond

Grover Bond. NovAqua does not have aloe in it, nor is their any scientific evidence that it is beneficial in aquariums and ponds. /.R3




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: NovAqua
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:55:55 -0600
From: GROVER BOND <streak007@earthlink.net>
To: <info@novalek.com>


I recieved mine at 2/4/04 6:51 PM



Streak007@earthlink.net
Robert Rofen, Novalek, Inc., U.S.A.
2242 Davis Ct., Hayward, CA 94545-1114
tel (510) 782-4058 fax (510) 784-0945

[SteveHewlett]

Hi Bond,

Thanks for taking it so well. I was worried that I have been inadvertently introducing something (aloe in this case) to my tanks that I don't want there. I don't have any info that aloe is bad for bettas or fish in general but I worry that even with water changes it could build up over time on the fish and be potentially harmful so I try and stay clear of it.

Kordon's customer service must be wondering why they got two questions on the same topic at just about the same time. No need to apologize in my opinion. We all make mistakes and lord knows there is plenty of "sketchy" information out on the internet.

Steve

[Myron Tay]

Just an update. I have ceased using water conditioners ever since I switched to running water through peat moss. So far so good. No problems at all.

[denethor]

hmm, so, is aquasafe a good idea for treating tapwater?
i am afraid that the slime disease will also affect my betta...i had used a product by oceanfree last time but i forgot wat is it le, now that i am restarting this hobby, i need to know wat is best for my betta...thanks

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by denethor

hmm, so, is aquasafe a good idea for treating tapwater?
i am afraid that the slime disease will also affect my betta...i had used a product by oceanfree last time but i forgot wat is it le, now that i am restarting this hobby, i need to know wat is best for my betta...thanks
Denethor

Welcome to the forum. Aquaplus from Hagen would meet your needs.

[denethor]

ok, thanks...hmm, i am a newbie in keeping betta, not into breeding yet, but yeah, will need a lot of ur help with regards to betta...thanks.

[wanshi]

heya,

is it sufficient to age water to remove chemicals like chloramine?
Coz i thought conditioners juz act like a catalyst in the removal process.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by wanshi

heya,

is it sufficient to age water to remove chemicals like chloramine?
Coz i thought conditioners juz act like a catalyst in the removal process.
Aging the water is not sufficient to remove chloramine. I have been using peat moss without dechlorinator and the results are so far so good.

Here's a thread on chloramine:

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=49

Here's at thread on peat moss:

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2364

[Myron Tay]

Just an update. I have been filtering my water through both peat moss and ketapang leaves and not using any water conditioner. And I have not had any problems so far. Here's my regime: http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1531

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

Say, I bought a new brand of dechlor to try out the other day as I want to see of all brands are the same as long as they say chlorine and chloramine away.

Used as instructed - strangely the water became slightly cloudy. Is this a chemcial reaction caused by this new formula or is it that that day the chlorine content was stronger than usual.quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

Which brand? I'm using Aqua Plus but recently find that it's a bit cloudy too.quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

tetra aquaplus?

I used Tetra Aquasafe plus..haha confusing names. Not the blue thing Tetra gave us at the competition but the 'old' type. I find it very quick reacting.

I also use JBL over at my dad s place.

I just bot ocean free[well] and Wardley to try. Just tried wardley last night......mmmmmmm ........machiam like chemcial reaction resulting in deposits. Bloody betta turned pale a bit too..ha! Not sure what the cause yet. Initially I thot the water had high chlorine content, but then when I use my original one, the water was clear.

Now I am not sure how many types of reagents there are!quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

No, mine is Hagen Aquaplus.
http://www.hagen.com/uk/img/aquatic/basic/aqua_plus.jpg

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

I ve been told by a number of USA breeders long ago that they use this thing to ward off parasites. The label on this porduct says.....disease prevention.....

I keep a bottle with me but hardly use it. Only time when I apply is when there is heavy feeding in the community tank. It seems to work in such set ups. Tried that on a few guinea pigs jarred 2 weeks before I left Singapore. 2 out of 3 died....ha/....thank you very much aquarisol.
quote:Originally posted by kennho

Aquarisol is a well-known remedy that contains COPPER !!!

Erh .... under softwater, best not to use. Mainly used in hard water.
USA - wah liao, hard water lah. I got to buy special shampoo to wash my hair.
Singapore - Soft as silk.quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

isnt it something like copper-safe / coppersulfate? i also have but never use.....such small bottle and has those yellowish copepr residues in them.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by laurenspang

Is this a good preventive medication?
It gives the water a slight bluish color.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/laurenspang/bettaconditioner.jpg

Some advice pls,thx
Anyone can help Lauren out?

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by laurenspang

Is this a good preventive medication?
It gives the water a slight bluish color.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/laurenspang/bettaconditioner.jpg

Some advice pls,thx
Anyone can help Lauren out?

[Chris Yew]

Can only see the bottom of the bottle something like 'Water Conditioner'. Best is to read what's the ingredients in the bottle or what's is usage. Picture only can't tell much.

BTW if it's use as Water Conditioner, don't you think such small bottle is too small. How long will it last unless it's extremely 'strong' type - 1 drop per many gallons of water.

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

quote:Originally posted by laurenspang

Is this a good preventive medication?
It gives the water a slight bluish color.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/laurenspang/bettaconditioner.jpg

Some advice pls,thx
Anyone can help Lauren out?

[Chris Yew]

Can only see the bottom of the bottle something like 'Water Conditioner'. Best is to read what's the ingredients in the bottle or what's is usage. Picture only can't tell much.

BTW if it's use as Water Conditioner, don't you think such small bottle is too small. How long will it last unless it's extremely 'strong' type - 1 drop per many gallons of water.

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

quote:Originally posted by laurenspang

Is this a good preventive medication?
It gives the water a slight bluish color.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/laurenspang/bettaconditioner.jpg

Some advice pls,thx
Anyone can help Lauren out?

[laurenspang]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

Can only see the bottom of the bottle something like 'Water Conditioner'. Best is to read what's the ingredients in the bottle or what's is usage. Picture only can't tell much.

BTW if it's use as Water Conditioner, don't you think such small bottle is too small. How long will it last unless it's extremely 'strong' type - 1 drop per many gallons of water.


On the bottle there's no label abt the ingredients...jus printed that it's made in Japan...brand is "jin yuan" or "jin quan" i think(written in Chinese)
I was told to put one drop for a 6x4 inch tank

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by laurenspang

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

Can only see the bottom of the bottle something like 'Water Conditioner'. Best is to read what's the ingredients in the bottle or what's is usage. Picture only can't tell much.

BTW if it's use as Water Conditioner, don't you think such small bottle is too small. How long will it last unless it's extremely 'strong' type - 1 drop per many gallons of water.


On the bottle there's no label abt the ingredients...jus printed that it's made in Japan...brand is "jin yuan" or "jin quan" i think(written in Chinese)
I was told to put one drop for a 6x4 inch tank
Personally, I stay away from medication that does not even provide dosage as well as a list of active components. Who do you blame should there be adverse consequences?

[Ronnie Lau]

Its probably answered somewhere before but could any "chemistrically-conversant" people here enlighten as to how the Anti-Chlorine/Chloramine liquid removes the the chlorine and cholramine from the water. Better still if you could show us those "2CLH40 + 4PN2O = 3NCO2SGT + KKYLP" equations which though may seem like Martian to those "bo-tuck chemistry" ones, would ceratinly add assurance that we are not just pouring our money into H2O unnecessary....
Cheers.

[Alex Lim]

quote:Originally posted by Ronnie Lau

Its probably answered somewhere before but could any "chemistrically-conversant" people here enlighten as to how the Anti-Chlorine/Chloramine liquid removes the the chlorine and cholramine from the water. Better still if you could show us those "2CLH40 + 4PN2O = 3NCO2SGT + KKYLP" equations which though may seem like Martian to those "bo-tuck chemistry" ones, would ceratinly add assurance that we are not just pouring our money into H2O unnecessary....
Cheers.


hahahahaha... this is real funny. any alchemist takers?

cheerZ

[Myron Tay]

Here's a review of some water conditioners and dechlorinators that would be useful.

http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/rev-cond.htm

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Ronnie Lau

Its probably answered somewhere before but could any "chemistrically-conversant" people here enlighten as to how the Anti-Chlorine/Chloramine liquid removes the the chlorine and cholramine from the water. Better still if you could show us those "2CLH40 + 4PN2O = 3NCO2SGT + KKYLP" equations which though may seem like Martian to those "bo-tuck chemistry" ones, would ceratinly add assurance that we are not just pouring our money into H2O unnecessary....
Cheers.
The active ingredient in most conditioners is sodium thiosulphate. Found the answer here: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen01/gen01377.htm

Question - Dear sir,
I am told that CHLORINE and CHLORAMINES are present in the tap water in my area. Unfortunately
these chemicals are not kind to aquarium fish. Many aquarium keepers (myself included) resort to
the use of chemical dechlorinators (cf. physical removal) such as sodium thiosulphate.

I have read that a by-product of the dechlorination is ammonia (also bad for fish). In order to understand what happens precisely, I would like to know the exact formula for the chemical reaction that occurs when sodium thiosulphate is used to rid water of chlorine and chloramines.

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The chemical reaction of thiosulfate and chlorine is:
2S2O3(-2) + Cl2 ---> 2Cl(-1) + S4O6(-2).
There are other reactions going on also, because the CL2 is in equilibrium with OCl(-1) the
hypochlorite anion. The chloramines result from the reaction of ammonia and chlorine and/or
hypochlorite. They will be formed from ammonia generated in the fish tank
that come from waste products from the fish. Chloramines are very toxic, that is why there are
warnings on bottles of household ammonia and/or chlorine bleach not to mix the two.
Be aware that dechlorinating chemicals sold by pool supply stores use sodium sulfite (Na2SO3) as
the active ingredient the reaction product is sulfate [SO4](-2).
A simple and effective way to remove chlorine and chloramines from tap water is to boil it for 5 - 10 min. No chemicals needed. Be sure to let the water cool and stir vigorously because the
boiling will also deplete oxygen from the boiled water.
Invest in a chlorine monitoring kit available at any pool supply store. It is sensitive and reliable.
If you want to monitor the chlorine present in your tank and/or water reserve.

Vince Calder

[Myron Tay]

Believe that Cl(-1) is chlorine gas, which dissipates into the air?