Rainwater?

[Brandon Chia]

Is rainwater better solution than ageing tap water?? coz my here rain can put pails outside to collect the rainwater.. but dunno good for bettas or not??? need to treat or do anything to it??

like that also save water considering the fact that i may be expanding my collection..

[derrick kuah]

i used to get my maid . lined up the pales whenever it rain: Then got virus attack , killed all my priced hms and breeder(left one). total 17 hms dead.
Found rain water ,no good for bettas, never tested them but i find them too acidic and too cold.even now(i left my fishes in the open) after a heavy rain , usually quite a nos of fishes will die in the next few days(if i leave them as its).

[derrick kuah]

i used to get my maid . lined up the pales whenever it rain: Then got virus attack , killed all my priced hms and breeder(left one). total 17 hms dead.
Found rain water ,no good for bettas, never tested them but i find them too acidic and too cold.even now(i left my fishes in the open) after a heavy rain , usually quite a nos of fishes will die in the next few days(if i leave them as its).

[Foo Hong]

Rainwater which hasnt come into contact with the ground is not ideal as there is no minerals in it which the fish needs. If you somehow manage to collect some which is not too acidic, they may be mixed with tapwater, but never never use 100% rainwater.

A friend's guppy farm years ago - after those 3 days contunous monsoon rains, all the fishes were wiped out

[Foo Hong]

Rainwater which hasnt come into contact with the ground is not ideal as there is no minerals in it which the fish needs. If you somehow manage to collect some which is not too acidic, they may be mixed with tapwater, but never never use 100% rainwater.

A friend's guppy farm years ago - after those 3 days contunous monsoon rains, all the fishes were wiped out

[Myron Tay]

I concur with Derrick and Foo Hong. From what I heard, rain water is definitely a no-no for betta purposes.

[Myron Tay]

I concur with Derrick and Foo Hong. From what I heard, rain water is definitely a no-no for betta purposes.

[Samuel Phan]

Yep ... esp females. They seems to be the first ones to die after a heavy downpour.

[Samuel Phan]

Yep ... esp females. They seems to be the first ones to die after a heavy downpour.

[Brandon Chia]

haiz!! still tot can save water this way..guess the onli way is tru the tap still..

[Brandon Chia]

haiz!! still tot can save water this way..guess the onli way is tru the tap still..

[Foo Hong]

While the govt advise us to save water, this is not the way to save. U can still collect rainwater to wash yr net, jars, car, toilet, etc....

but the best water must be reserved for bettas [eb]

[Foo Hong]

While the govt advise us to save water, this is not the way to save. U can still collect rainwater to wash yr net, jars, car, toilet, etc....

but the best water must be reserved for bettas [eb]

[Ming Wei]

haha tio tio

[Brandon Chia]

I was thinking, would it be possible if i added some ph buffer to the rainwater and some other chemicals to make it suitable??

Please advise.

:)

[Brandon Chia]

I was thinking, would it be possible if i added some ph buffer to the rainwater and some other chemicals to make it suitable??

Please advise.

:)

[Ong Ginyew]

u can...but how bout boiling rain water?

[Ong Ginyew]

u can...but how bout boiling rain water?

[Brandon Chia]

How much to add and what to add? how to treat the rain water.
quote:Originally posted by Brandon Chia

I was thinking, would it be possible if i added some ph buffer to the rainwater and some other chemicals to make it suitable??

Please advise.

:)

[Brandon Chia]

How much to add and what to add? how to treat the rain water.
quote:Originally posted by Brandon Chia

I was thinking, would it be possible if i added some ph buffer to the rainwater and some other chemicals to make it suitable??

Please advise.

:)

[Brandon Chia]

Anyone to contribute to this topic? Need some help regarding this

[Foo Hong]

if they fall str from sky, maybe it can be buffered. If they contact the roof, I wont use on bettas. Is like using after washed water on yr fishie. But why bother buying pails and collecting water? use tap water lah.....

[Samuel Phan]

Try keeping your fishes in boiled water ... think they will die.

Think the oxygen level in the water drops when the water is boided.

quote:Originally posted by Ong Ginyew

u can...but how bout boiling rain water?

[Myron Tay]

Sam, I think Gin Yew is saying that we boil the water, then cool it before putting our fish in it. [bt]

Gin Yew

To answer your question, I don't think that boiling can remove the acidity from the water, which is the concern I believe. This applies even if your fish has been raised on rain water since they were fries since I read from the others in the thread that there is so much impurities in the air that it would be difficult to get consistent water quality in our rain water. Am I reading all of us right?

quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

Try keeping your fishes in boiled water ... think they will die.

Think the oxygen level in the water drops when the water is boided.

quote:Originally posted by Ong Ginyew

u can...but how bout boiling rain water?

[Thomas LimKY]

If you have the money, buy an ioniser.
Basically, it should neutralise any harmful chemicals or toxins, kill bacteria and improve the health of your fish.

You can also use it to recycle your old water as it should effectively neutralise ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites. The water should also become clearer. However, you will get some residual precipitate which you will need to filter off.

Please feel free to correct this if I'm wrong :P

[Myron Tay]

How does an ioniser work?

[Thomas LimKY]

Not exactly sure.
It releases free oxygen ions (ozone) into the air/water. These ions bond with reactive elements or compounds to form other inert compounds.

It supposedly kills harmful bacteria, removes odours, stains, etc. Good for making drinking water too.

[Samuel Phan]

[bt][bt][bt] Hahahaha ... hit you back [bt][bt][bt]
Of cos I know that water must be cool down to room temp before the fish is put it ... what I was trying to say is that after the water has been boiled ... the oxygen level of the water decreases and even after cooling off will not restore the oxygen to the normal level ... so try keeping the betta in your drinking water your mum boiled and cooled over nite ... the fish probably dun fair too well in them.
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quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

Sam, I think Gin Yew is saying that we boil the water, then cool it before putting our fish in it. [bt]

[Samuel Phan]

On second thoughts ... betta dun really need dissolved oxygen ... maybe boil water still okie for them.

But tried using pure Newater for betta as testing ... the fish din fare too well.

[Myron Tay]

So do you deserve the [bt]?

quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

On second thoughts ... betta dun really need dissolved oxygen ... maybe boil water still okie for them.

But tried using pure Newater for betta as testing ... the fish din fare too well.

[Phil]

I think if we were to aerate the water after cooling it down, we should be able to restore the oxygen in the water.

[Brandon Chia]

quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

if they fall str from sky, maybe it can be buffered. If they contact the roof, I wont use on bettas. Is like using after washed water on yr fishie. But why bother buying pails and collecting water? use tap water lah.....

Like I said. Water bill high. Thinking of ways to save $$ for my parents also.

Think will try to keep a few of my betta in rain water for a while and see what's the result like. Have already put the pails outside liaoz.. too bad no rain recently.

Will mixing rainwater and aged tap water be acceptable?

[ernest seow]

I suggest not to collect the first rainfall as likely to be contaminated after many long hot days. I don't know whether anyone agrees to this but I recall collecting rainwater after a long dry month and the water was rather dirty as the gutters and roof had been gathering a lot of dirt.

[Phil]

Very true ernest! I concur with your statement.

quote:Originally posted by ernest seow

I suggest not to collect the first rainfall as likely to be contaminated after many long hot days. I don't know whether anyone agrees to this but I recall collecting rainwater after a long dry month and the water was rather dirty as the gutters and roof had been gathering a lot of dirt.

[kennho]

quote:Originally posted by Brandon Chia
Like I said. Water bill high. Thinking of ways to save $$ for my parents also.

Think will try to keep a few of my betta in rain water for a while and see what's the result like. Have already put the pails outside liaoz.. too bad no rain recently.

Will mixing rainwater and aged tap water be acceptable?


How much water r u changing per month my friend ?

It's not adviceable to use local rain water, not to the extend of diluting it with tap water. Why not u measure the pH of the rain water before u decide should u be using it.

[ernest seow]

Here are some points to consider regarding the use of rainwater for your aquarium:
1. Rain water tends to be somewhat acidic due to dissolved carbon
dioxide and oxides of nitrogen generated in electrical discharge in
the clouds. If your pH is higher than 7 there is likely something
else going on. It might be a good idea to check the standardization
of your meter. Since rainwater is lacking in any buffering agents,
the last pH measured solution may contribute greatly to error in your
test. Test papers don't work well in low ionic strength solutions,
neither do simple meters.
2. As water falls to earth as rain it will absorb from the atmosphere varying amounts of carbon dioxide and other gases, as well as traces of organic and inorganic matter. (If you are using rainwater for your aquarium, be sure to filter it through carbon for 24 hours first).

[Samuel Phan]

Hahahaha ... dun knock too hard hor ... [dr]

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

So do you deserve the [bt]?

quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

On second thoughts ... betta dun really need dissolved oxygen ... maybe boil water still okie for them.

But tried using pure Newater for betta as testing ... the fish din fare too well.

[Ong Ginyew]

LOL...ok Thanks for d info guys...was juz wondering if u keep betta in water tat is boiled b4. as Sam said..low in oxygen...but Phil suggest tat aerating d water after cooling will bring d oxygen back...
wat do u think...

[kennho]

Rain water can be use. Boiling no need money har ? Which is more expensive, electricity or water ? After using that kettle, I doubt your mum will want to use for your own drinking water. How many L can you boil each time ? How much water u need each water change. Go get a calculator.

Even if boiled, just aerate will obtain a 50-70% oxygen dissolved back in water. However, the heavy metal are still in there unless the we can distill the rain water. Try lah, bo try ma na eh zai.

Since our local rain water is pretty acidic, it's best to age thru carbon and buffer. Unless you are permanently using rain water, the fish will not be getting pH shock during water change. How often we getting rain fall then ? Think about it.

[Brandon Chia]

Hmz.. Seems like most of you out there are not really for rain water to be used. Points stated have been read and I also find your arguements kinda logical. I think I better listen before i regret.

Thanxs for all the advices

:)
Brandon

[Thomas LimKY]

Hehe sorry for the mistake. Apparently, the device I recommended should be an ozoniser not ioniser. I read that it does wonders for ppl and animals, kills bacteria, virus, algae, etc, and neutralises harmful chemicals, removes odours, improves clarity. A good investment for any serious breeder. It has its cosmetic uses as well :P

You can even use it to de-flea your pets, disinfect and deodorise your hamster cage, use the water to bath your pet, use the water to wash your HK feet, ringworms, fungus, skin rot, BO etc, even pimples, blackheads and sores!

Hehe almost sounds like I'm selling these things eh? :P

[Eric Yeo]

Brandon, I used rainwater for breeding, especially during the hot season I'll add some rainwater into age water. It simulates raining season for the bettas, mean mating time. In fact the last hot season, all BCS members were complaining that their bettas cannot spawn, but my bettas had 7 spawns with the help of some rainwater. Like FH said do not collect rainwater coming down fm the roof, it should be fm the open space. I collect and store in Coke bottles for hot season.

[Samuel Phan]

Will try the miracle combination one of these days ... previous attempt uses either all rain water or all aged water with different degree of success.

But recently some of my plakats actually spawned in community tank and I actually got some fries from the spawn ... their "act" was only discovered when I was cleaning the out-door tank and found about 20 1cm fries swimming amongst the adults. :D

And yep ... 100% rain water.

[Brandon Chia]

quote:Originally posted by Eric Yeo

Brandon, I used rainwater for breeding, especially during the hot season I'll add some rainwater into age water. It simulates raining season for the bettas, mean mating time. In fact the last hot season, all BCS members were complaining that their bettas cannot spawn, but my bettas had 7 spawns with the help of some rainwater. Like FH said do not collect rainwater coming down fm the roof, it should be fm the open space. I collect and store in Coke bottles for hot season.

Yup coz if i collect i will also not collect those dripping from the roof tops. Will leave the pails in the open when it starts to rain.

But do you use them to keep the bettas?

[Eric Yeo]

Not anymore, I used it the same as breeding, age water and some rainwater.

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by Thomas LimKY

Not exactly sure.
It releases free oxygen ions (ozone) into the air/water. These ions bond with reactive elements or compounds to form other inert compounds.

It supposedly kills harmful bacteria, removes odours, stains, etc. Good for making drinking water too.




a couple of months ago, someone approached me to by Diamond / 'pi' water or whatever (i dont remember). He told me that the water is good for certain fish. Is it the ionizer u meant? anyone tested it? one of the lbs uses it but he couldn't tell me the difference

[KY Foong]

quote:Originally posted by **** Wei

quote:Originally posted by Thomas LimKY

Not exactly sure.
It releases free oxygen ions (ozone) into the air/water. These ions bond with reactive elements or compounds to form other inert compounds.

It supposedly kills harmful bacteria, removes odours, stains, etc. Good for making drinking water too.




a couple of months ago, someone approached me to by Diamond / 'pi' water or whatever (i dont remember). He told me that the water is good for certain fish. Is it the ionizer u meant? anyone tested it? one of the lbs uses it but he couldn't tell me the difference
First of all rain water is no no..sometimes pH 5 only.
As for purified water. I bought a RO filter (Reverse Osmosis) water filter, not Diamond brand)...simply RO.
I used the water direct on a fish that was not swimming well, clamp fins. The next day it sprang to life but the part that look like rotting flesh was still there. I make 3 days of continuous water change on this fish and it has recovered. I did not not add any medicine! The fleash rotting seem to have improved.
Come over I show you.

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by KY Foong

quote:Originally posted by **** Wei

quote:Originally posted by Thomas LimKY

Not exactly sure.
It releases free oxygen ions (ozone) into the air/water. These ions bond with reactive elements or compounds to form other inert compounds.

It supposedly kills harmful bacteria, removes odours, stains, etc. Good for making drinking water too.




First of all rain water is no no..sometimes pH 5 only.
As for purified water. I bought a RO filter (Reverse Osmosis) water filter, not Diamond brand)...simply RO.
I used the water direct on a fish that was not swimming well, clamp fins. The next day it sprang to life but the part that look like rotting flesh was still there. I make 3 days of continuous water change on this fish and it has recovered. I did not not add any medicine! The fleash rotting seem to have improved.
Come over I show you.

a couple of months ago, someone approached me to by Diamond / 'pi' water or whatever (i dont remember). He told me that the water is good for certain fish. Is it the ionizer u meant? anyone tested it? one of the lbs uses it but he couldn't tell me the difference



I'll go over this weekend if both of us are not working :D:D