Eggs stuck in Female!

[Chris Yew]

While trying to back cross my Mustard Chiffon(3 mths old) female to her Father MG, the eggs did not come out. They started the wrapping (a successful and good wrap) since 10.30am and 1.5hrs still no eggs.

So, I lost patience and catch the female - hold the female with my thumb and fingers. Wanted to stroke the eggs out, but my thumb is too big for the female, so juz give it a light squeeze. Still no eggs from my squeeze. Try for another 3 times before letting it go.

Surprisingly, they embraced again and after about 5 more minutes the eggs started to come out after each embrace! Happy! Happy!

Don't attempt it as there's no guarantee that it works!

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com

[Samuel Phan]

Tried that before on my Extended Red female ... din work for me =(
It was about 2-3 weeks back.

But just threw then into the spawning tank again this morning ... now they seems excited again. =)

Hope this time the female will be ready. Can see the white belly spot very clearly now.

quote:
While trying to back cross my Mustard Chiffon(3 mths old) female to her Father MG, the eggs did not come out. They started the wrapping (a successful and good wrap) since 10.30am and 1.5hrs still no eggs.

So, I lost patience and catch the female - hold the female with my thumb and fingers. Wanted to stroke the eggs out, but my thumb is too big for the female, so juz give it a light squeeze. Still no eggs from my squeeze. Try for another 3 times before letting it go.

Surprisingly, they embraced again and after about 5 more minutes the eggs started to come out after each embrace! Happy! Happy!

Don't attempt it as there's no guarantee that it works!

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Foo Hong]

I have a female that is bloated too. Anyone good at 'stroking' want to help with this fish?

[jonpoh]

Was in and then out and then in and the out of luck today..!
Sigh! Put marble pair to spawn.. and guess what??? After waiting for 2 long days ( My bettas normally spawned after the day I put them in .
They finally spawned. Was very happy for them. They start embracing, but no eggs came out.. Sigh!! Was very worried.. Waited and then prayed..
2 hrs later. Saw that eggs were coming up and was very happy. But.. marble male pick up the eggs and they were never spit back to the nest. I noticed that the male's tummy was getting bigger and bigger and soon the tummy was bigger than the female's.
It was like an egg-transfer kind of process. Sigh.... Still observing them as I typed this. Wish my luck.. They are nice fishes..!
Yah.. before ending.. My question is: Anyone knows of any method to stop them from egg eating. Whip them?


regards


jonathan

[Chris Yew]

Hi Jonathon,

I've juz experienced this in my recent 2 spawn (no success). The males picked up the eggs, put in back at the nest. Onli during the night, the males ate all the eggs (he chose the fertilised ones though, and left back the unfertilised). The next morning, found the males all with big tummy like what you've described. Well, what can we do except to try them the next round.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
Was in and then out and then in and the out of luck today..!
Sigh! Put marble pair to spawn.. and guess what??? After waiting for 2 long days ( My bettas normally spawned after the day I put them in .
They finally spawned. Was very happy for them. They start embracing, but no eggs came out.. Sigh!! Was very worried.. Waited and then prayed..
2 hrs later. Saw that eggs were coming up and was very happy. But.. marble male pick up the eggs and they were never spit back to the nest. I noticed that the male's tummy was getting bigger and bigger and soon the tummy was bigger than the female's.
It was like an egg-transfer kind of process. Sigh.... Still observing them as I typed this. Wish my luck.. They are nice fishes..!
Yah.. before ending.. My question is: Anyone knows of any method to stop them from egg eating. Whip them?


regards


jonathan

[Dr Hsu]

Hi Jon,

Never tried this but have thought that it should work:

Get some aluminium mesh (the fine ones about 2 mm squares, sometimes called fly wire/screen) and make a slightly raised platform with it...ie maybe silicone some lead strips to the edges of a rectangle of the mesh. Put directly under the nest and when the eggs drop, they should then come to rest under the mesh preventing the male/female from getting at them. Then artificially incubate.

Chris,

I too, have been rather unlucky breeding lately....finally got a spawn from my own female orange with one of the orange males released recently - good nest, eggs in nest. After one day, checked in the morning...looking good and was hoping they would hatch later in the day - came home at night and all eggs gone! <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>. Of course it had to get worse as the female then promptly jumped out of her tank the next day even with 90% coverage!!<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

Regards,

Li Chieh
"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"

[Foo Hong]

why female jump out? u use 10 inches of water in a feet high tank..<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Jon.....the marbles F2.1 and F2.2 are small spawns but growing eating flaring......as expected all 3 colours : steel/turq/blue. hopefully 75% will marble thru.....its been 6 months since yr female moved in[ie, their grand mama]. Saw 2 fries with very nice caudals in the F2.1 spawn :)

[Samuel Phan]

Hehehe ... lucky me ... had 2 spawns successful yesterday.
Eggs still in teh nest with the males tending.

I used a 2 ft tank and partition into 1 ft each ... threw in 2 pairs on Saturday night ... then both pair spawn by Sunday afternoon.

Hope that they will hatch by tomorrow. =)

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

quote:
Hi Jon,

Never tried this but have thought that it should work:

Get some aluminium mesh (the fine ones about 2 mm squares, sometimes called fly wire/screen) and make a slightly raised platform with it...ie maybe silicone some lead strips to the edges of a rectangle of the mesh. Put directly under the nest and when the eggs drop, they should then come to rest under the mesh preventing the male/female from getting at them. Then artificially incubate.

Chris,

I too, have been rather unlucky breeding lately....finally got a spawn from my own female orange with one of the orange males released recently - good nest, eggs in nest. After one day, checked in the morning...looking good and was hoping they would hatch later in the day - came home at night and all eggs gone! <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>. Of course it had to get worse as the female then promptly jumped out of her tank the next day even with 90% coverage!!<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

Regards,

Li Chieh
"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"


Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[jonpoh]

Hi
Dr Hsu,

Thanks for your suggestion! Would love to try out one day. For now, I will start with the bad news. The marble male died from some kind of indigestion and fungus attack. ( Not sure why my males always kanna from fungus attack if they eat the eggs ). Any idea???
Actually, I sort of accelerate the death by taking my dear father's prescriptions to the cure of the fish. As usual, it never works. But nah! Nvm.. Too late!
Really had to learnt the lesson the real hard way.
Luckily, I still have another marble male, but considering the quality in terms of finnage. The deceased piece is 160+ degrees ( which is pretty good for marbles), whereas the existing fish is less than 90. Sigh!
But marbles are after all marbles. Even if they are veils. They still look nice to me. Hehee!

Regards.<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

jonathan

[jonpoh]

Hi
Foo Hong,

Thanks for the update!
I believe that your steel/tur/blue will remain the same. Infact you will soon have " icing sugar drizzled over your agar agar " soon.
Good luck! Perhaps "white chocolate" too.
The female must be very old already. If you can spawn her, please cross her back to the F1s. I can ensure you that you will not regret your decisions, in terms of colouration.
You will most probably get "tiramisu" out of that suggested cross.

regards
Jonathan Poh

Jon.....the marbles F2.1 and F2.2 are small spawns but growing eating flaring......as expected all 3 colours : steel/turq/blue. hopefully 75% will marble thru.....its been 6 months since yr female moved in[ie, their grand mama]. Saw 2 fries with very nice caudals in the F2.1 spawn :)


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jonathan

[Samuel Phan]

Hi All,

Just an update on my 2 recent spawns (Extended Red spawn and Steel spawn)

The eggs was laid and was able to hatch when the Steel Blue Male decided to abondon the nest. He was like resting at one corner of the tank and just allow the eggs to drop from the bubble nest.

No choice ... had to remove him from the tank and allow the Red male to take over the job. That happened when the eggs just hatched but not able to even wriggle yet.

But the Red Male is doing a very good job as far as I can see ... tending to 2 large spawns is no easy feat. Now I have about 500 to 700 fries free-swimming ... will remove the male tonite and start my pure-daphnia feeding programme.

This is my first time that I have used a foster male ... so quite an experience. =)


With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan


Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)