Plakat x Delta[HM]

[Foo Hong]

This topic should draw some interesting views.

BTW how come always same few people talking. Lets have more betta-talk!

[Samuel Phan]

Since no one comment ... then I shall take this opportunity to pen down some of my 2 cents worth. =)

Plakat being strong can actually be used to strengthen the gene.
HM being breeded selectively and probably being in-breed too much ... will probably be weak.

So breeding Plakat (Male) and HM (Female) will probably make a good match so that in F1 ... if we can find good fish ... those will be used for breeding F2 and hopefully get some HM in the process. As for the fries in such spawns ... they will look very much like plakat body but with good finnage. The finnage is rather short ... but able to spread wide.

See pic ... err ... how to attach pic har??? The insert pic icon din work.

See links below then ...

http://www.geocities.com/samuel_phan/images/Multi_STM_01.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/samuel_phan/images/Multi_STM_02.jpg

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
This topic should draw some interesting views.

BTW how come always same few people talking. Lets have more betta-talk!




Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

Edited by - samuelphan on 02 May 2002 10:37:46

[Chris Yew]

Well, it didn't work becos it's from Geocities. Geocities doesn't allow link or copy/paste to work with their server.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com

[Chris Yew]

Hi Sam,
Are the 2 pics shown the result of your Plakat Male x HM Female?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com

quote:
Since no one comment ... then I shall take this opportunity to pen down some of my 2 cents worth. =)

Plakat being strong can actually be used to strengthen the gene.
HM being breeded selectively and probably being in-breed too much ... will probably be weak.

So breeding Plakat (Male) and HM (Female) will probably make a good match so that in F1 ... if we can find good fish ... those will be used for breeding F2 and hopefully get some HM in the process. As for the fries in such spawns ... they will look very much like plakat body but with good finnage. The finnage is rather short ... but able to spread wide.

See pic ... err ... how to attach pic har??? The insert pic icon din work.

See links below then ...

http://www.geocities.com/samuel_phan/images/Multi_STM_01.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/samuel_phan/images/Multi_STM_02.jpg

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
This topic should draw some interesting views.

BTW how come always same few people talking. Lets have more betta-talk!




Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

Edited by - samuelphan on 02 May 2002 10:37:46

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Chris,

Nope ... the fish actually beongs to Straits.
Was discussing with the boss on his HMs. Was shown this fish and he went on to elaborate on his Plakat usage.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

quote:
Hi Sam,
Are the 2 pics shown the result of your Plakat Male x HM Female?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com

quote:
Since no one comment ... then I shall take this opportunity to pen down some of my 2 cents worth. =)

Plakat being strong can actually be used to strengthen the gene.
HM being breeded selectively and probably being in-breed too much ... will probably be weak.

So breeding Plakat (Male) and HM (Female) will probably make a good match so that in F1 ... if we can find good fish ... those will be used for breeding F2 and hopefully get some HM in the process. As for the fries in such spawns ... they will look very much like plakat body but with good finnage. The finnage is rather short ... but able to spread wide.

See pic ... err ... how to attach pic har??? The insert pic icon din work.

See links below then ...

http://www.geocities.com/samuel_phan/images/Multi_STM_01.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/samuel_phan/images/Multi_STM_02.jpg

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
This topic should draw some interesting views.

BTW how come always same few people talking. Lets have more betta-talk!




Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

Edited by - samuelphan on 02 May 2002 10:37:46





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Chris Yew]

Sorry, do you mean the picture shown is the result of the Plakat Male x HM Female by Straits?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com

[Samuel Phan]

According to the boss ... yes.
Colour-wise not so impressive ... but the fish is very active like aplakat but with a nice finnage that is close HM.
It is only about 2.5 months and should have more chance of getting better as it grow older.

What do you think of the fish?

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
Sorry, do you mean the picture shown is the result of the Plakat Male x HM Female by Straits?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Chris Yew]

The caudal is not too long (but 2.5mths still can't really tell), as compared to the dorsal and anal fins. The spread is good especially the outer edges, seem to be curving out. Good one in terms of finnage.

Juz wondering if that can be done, it's best to have a pure solid colour plakat to cross with.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
According to the boss ... yes.
Colour-wise not so impressive ... but the fish is very active like aplakat but with a nice finnage that is close HM.
It is only about 2.5 months and should have more chance of getting better as it grow older.

What do you think of the fish?

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
Sorry, do you mean the picture shown is the result of the Plakat Male x HM Female by Straits?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Samuel Phan]

I agree ... but if Straits believe that this method works ... I supposed it is worth a try.

The boss is really good at crossing and proucing appealing bettas. Hats off for his experience.

I will probably try that when I have more time and when I am done with all my pending spawns ... =)

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
The caudal is not too long (but 2.5mths still can't really tell), as compared to the dorsal and anal fins. The spread is good especially the outer edges, seem to be curving out. Good one in terms of finnage.

Juz wondering if that can be done, it's best to have a pure solid colour plakat to cross with.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
According to the boss ... yes.
Colour-wise not so impressive ... but the fish is very active like aplakat but with a nice finnage that is close HM.
It is only about 2.5 months and should have more chance of getting better as it grow older.

What do you think of the fish?

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
Sorry, do you mean the picture shown is the result of the Plakat Male x HM Female by Straits?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Foo Hong]

cant see whatever pics you have at all. where is it?

[Chris Yew]

But I wonder how will the results be like ( or will it be the same or worst or better), if HM Male x Plakat Female is used instead of Plakat Male x HM Female?

Samuel, I'm also wondering what's your reason for buying that Opaque White Plakat gene Female? Are you going to spawn with your winning Opaque White DT male? Still wondering what's up in your sleeve?? HA HA!

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
I agree ... but if Straits believe that this method works ... I supposed it is worth a try.

The boss is really good at crossing and proucing appealing bettas. Hats off for his experience.

I will probably try that when I have more time and when I am done with all my pending spawns ... =)

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
The caudal is not too long (but 2.5mths still can't really tell), as compared to the dorsal and anal fins. The spread is good especially the outer edges, seem to be curving out. Good one in terms of finnage.

Juz wondering if that can be done, it's best to have a pure solid colour plakat to cross with.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
According to the boss ... yes.
Colour-wise not so impressive ... but the fish is very active like aplakat but with a nice finnage that is close HM.
It is only about 2.5 months and should have more chance of getting better as it grow older.

What do you think of the fish?

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
Sorry, do you mean the picture shown is the result of the Plakat Male x HM Female by Straits?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Samuel Phan]

[Foo Hong] ... try to follow the link below instead:

http://www.geocities.com/samuel_phan/

then look under "What's New"

[Chris] ... hehehe ... dunno why buy that fish also ... went to the breeding area at Straits ... saw this big fat female and really find her very nice and cute ... so no second thought and bought her ... now also dunno what to do with her. =)

Maybe can use her to stengthen the gene of some marble fish that I have ... dunno ... =)

hehehe ... amateur at work ...

Btw ... bought a HM Royal Blue female from Foong KY last nite.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
cant see whatever pics you have at all. where is it?




Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Chris Yew]

KY has got some very good HM blue. Can't remember which farm he goes to? How much is the female?


Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com

[Chris Yew]

Guess if the Plakat Male x HM female works well, the plakats in S'pore will be sold out soon! LOL! So better go plakat hunting now!


Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com

[Samuel Phan]

Yep ... saw the nice HM males ... very impressive .... heard that you were actually keen in getting one of them ... rite? =)

I think the fishes he sells are from Thailand through his own contacts.

As for the female ... it was actually from his own spawn ... and also despite the good finnage ... it is half blind .... so was sold to me at a cheaper price ... maybe I should not disclose too much.

But the other females that he brought in was going at around $40 a piece.

Also got 2 pcs of Blue Mask females from him to pair with my Blue Mask CTM.

Thanks Foong ...

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

quote:
KY has got some very good HM blue. Can't remember which farm he goes to? How much is the female?


Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Samuel Phan]

of cos that is provided the combination works ... if not .. I will the dummy with the "best match" of the year ... to take over from Roy.
<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

quote:
Guess if the Plakat Male x HM female works well, the plakats in S'pore will be sold out soon! LOL! So better go plakat hunting now!


Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Chris Yew]

That's something that's new to me. Teach me "what's Blue Mask"? Is it a term to refer to blue plakat, I thought?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
Yep ... saw the nice HM males ... very impressive .... heard that you were actually keen in getting one of them ... rite? =)

I think the fishes he sells are from Thailand through his own contacts.

As for the female ... it was actually from his own spawn ... and also despite the good finnage ... it is half blind .... so was sold to me at a cheaper price ... maybe I should not disclose too much.

But the other females that he brought in was going at around $40 a piece.

Also got 2 pcs of Blue Mask females from him to pair with my Blue Mask CTM.

Thanks Foong ...

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

quote:
KY has got some very good HM blue. Can't remember which farm he goes to? How much is the female?


Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Samuel Phan]

Blue Masks normally referes to blue plakats that has got the blue all the way to the head. So the whole fish is covered in blue .... unlike the normal blue fish that normally comes with a black head. Also the blue tend to be electric blue ... i.e. more shine factor ... dunno what gene you call it ... bright genes as in the Extended Red? Spread Irids? maybe you can advice on that.

Initially ... we only have Blue Mask plakats ... but now I have seen Blue Mask CT and Blue Mask Delta ... but quality wise still need improvement ....

Maybe next time see who will get a Blue Mask HM ... should be a nice looking fish.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan


quote:
That's something that's new to me. Teach me "what's Blue Mask"? Is it a term to refer to blue plakat, I thought?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
Yep ... saw the nice HM males ... very impressive .... heard that you were actually keen in getting one of them ... rite? =)

I think the fishes he sells are from Thailand through his own contacts.

As for the female ... it was actually from his own spawn ... and also despite the good finnage ... it is half blind .... so was sold to me at a cheaper price ... maybe I should not disclose too much.

But the other females that he brought in was going at around $40 a piece.

Also got 2 pcs of Blue Mask females from him to pair with my Blue Mask CTM.

Thanks Foong ...

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

quote:
KY has got some very good HM blue. Can't remember which farm he goes to? How much is the female?


Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Foo Hong]

looks like this topic has deviated a bit somehow so perhaps I should bring the focus back since I kicked off this thread.

Wasan recently show a large delta on aquabid which he apparently indicates as giant plakat x HM. It wld certainly be nice if all HM were 50% bigger.

[Dr Hsu]

I am not too sure about the giant HM. Although Wasan is a reputable seller, the picture has some features that make it seem like it is doctored:

1) Fish overlaps the tank edges in background - either the fish is in a much larger tank (and also lower, ie bacground tank is raised), or a picture of a normal fish is superimposed on another picture.
2) Note the background fish on left: It is facing upwards with it's back to the giant HM....What self-respecting betta will expose its back to another betta which is flaring, much less adopt a "heads up" position? Looks like a picture of a fish superimposed on another picture taken from the top....

These are just my observations and may not be true, but it does seem kind of fishy....

As per Foo Hong's comment, this fish and Atison's pair of macrostoma were bid by the same person, penderhoebetta, who also bid on a really interesting black and white CT (tri-band?)by bettacabana - "sold"? at US$1,200! Sounds like an insider bidding up fish....

Regards,

Li Chieh
"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"

[Foo Hong]

Its a shame. aquabid is full of nonsense and plenty of slimy weasels trying anything worth a buck.

I also wanna warn that many sellers pic good males in pairs offered. however, what buyers are unaware at times is that the female is almost of cull quality and even I was told possibly from a totally separate line. chk before u bid!

[Samuel Phan]

Thanks Foo Hong and Dr Hsu for the cautions.
Imagine selling banana leaves and ketapang leaves for US$60 for 1 lbs????

For heaven sake ... they are literally free in Thailand.

quote:
Its a shame. aquabid is full of nonsense and plenty of slimy weasels trying anything worth a buck.

I also wanna warn that many sellers pic good males in pairs offered. however, what buyers are unaware at times is that the female is almost of cull quality and even I was told possibly from a totally separate line. chk before u bid!





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

Edited by - samuelphan on 06 May 2002 09:59:49

[Jung]

quote:Also got 2 pcs of Blue Mask females from him to pair with my Blue Mask CTM.

Sam,

How did you get the blue super mask CT?

[Jung]

quote: Wasan recently show a large delta on aquabid which he apparently indicates as giant plakat x HM. It wld certainly be nice if all HM were 50% bigger.


He has been pushing his giant plakats agressively for quite a while now. Think maybe this another attempt at promotion (not of the giant deltas, but more the plakats). Anyway, got some giants and will be spawning next week with DTFs. Think to make them HM is quite difficult, cos they are some form of hybrids (not pure splendens), and their fins are very small wrt body size. But I'll start with injection of the DT gene...

[Foo Hong]

Well I think it is technically possible to create a large HM. Its just a matter of how many generations it will take and along the way, we large fishes keep popping up. But the scale of the breeding program is scary <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Samuel Phan]

Got the Blue mask CTM from Straits and the females from Foong KY.
But the Male not very healthy and both the famales died.

So now no plans to breed the Blue Mask. =(

quote:
quote:Also got 2 pcs of Blue Mask females from him to pair with my Blue Mask CTM.

Sam,

How did you get the blue super mask CT?




Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)