Frozen bloodworms

[Foo Hong]

Seems like supply currently low in the market. People trying out the non-Hikari brands.

Not sure which brand it was but once I bought 1 pack and found that after thawing, the worms smell and fishes dont like them. Lots of dead worms too with skeleton and no flesh. The collection/packing/freezing process appears horrible. Probably bacteria evrywhere too.<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Dr Hsu]

No substitute to Hikari IMHO. If we can get enough people together, can order a carton - I think about 8 boxes. I can only keep one box in my freezer....

Regards,

Li Chieh
"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"

[Jung]

I'm in. Problem is, right now just bought a box. Next time, definitely. For Hikari tubifex, does anyone feed it? Or daphnia?

[Samuel Phan]

Btw .. Hikari probably have a new distributor soon ... the source of the new is reliable ... from the new distribitor themself.

Lets see if they can increase the local stocks and decrease the pricing in the process.

Currently ... it is Qian Hu as the sole agent.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

quote:
I'm in. Problem is, right now just bought a box. Next time, definitely. For Hikari tubifex, does anyone feed it? Or daphnia?




Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Foo Hong]

I ve never sed Hikari frozen tubifex tho I heard terribel stories. Their daphnias dont really appeal to fries as well. Maybe teh pack I tried was shit!

[Chris Yew]

Have tried the Hikari daphnia and didn't finish the whole packet. End up throw away. They aren't eating at all.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com

[Samuel Phan]

Have you tried decapsulated BS eggs?
My fries seems to eat them ... at least I thought so ...
shall see if they have finished it tonite. (PS: got them from a fren last night ... frozen BS eggs without the shell)

quote:
Have tried the Hikari daphnia and didn't finish the whole packet. End up throw away. They aren't eating at all.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Dr Hsu]

Hikari frozen daphnia is Ok, also frozen mysis shrimp. Only thing is that you can only use them at the "pirahna" stage of your spawn's development! Then they'll will eat anything! I'm trying some of them out on frozen beef heart now......

Regards,

Li Chieh
"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"

[Chris Yew]

May I know bacteria asides, is live bloodworms or frozen bloodworms better?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
Hikari frozen daphnia is Ok, also frozen mysis shrimp. Only thing is that you can only use them at the "pirahna" stage of your spawn's development! Then they'll will eat anything! I'm trying some of them out on frozen beef heart now......

Regards,

Li Chieh
"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"

[Chris Yew]

Hi Samuel,
Read about it but have never seen or try before. Any idea where are they been sold and how's the packaging like? Is it more costly ( I think so) than the normal BBS eggs?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
Have you tried decapsulated BS eggs?
My fries seems to eat them ... at least I thought so ...
shall see if they have finished it tonite. (PS: got them from a fren last night ... frozen BS eggs without the shell)

quote:
Have tried the Hikari daphnia and didn't finish the whole packet. End up throw away. They aren't eating at all.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Chris,

If I am not wrong ... Chye Kun Seng's betta shop sells them in frozen form. One small pkt at $8.

Try it yesterday ... the betta fries din like it ... I think daphnias still the best. and of cos BBS.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

quote:
Hi Samuel,
Read about it but have never seen or try before. Any idea where are they been sold and how's the packaging like? Is it more costly ( I think so) than the normal BBS eggs?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
Have you tried decapsulated BS eggs?
My fries seems to eat them ... at least I thought so ...
shall see if they have finished it tonite. (PS: got them from a fren last night ... frozen BS eggs without the shell)

quote:
Have tried the Hikari daphnia and didn't finish the whole packet. End up throw away. They aren't eating at all.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Chris Yew]

Hi Samuel,
Where is this Chye Kun Seng's betta shop? He sells bettas only?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com

[Samuel Phan]

Ooops .... it is Chye Kun Seng's discus shop ... dunno what is the shop name actually ... but is at commonwealth area ... got to find out the address.

have never been there myself but was given the frozen BBS eggs to try on my fries by my cousin.

Chye Kun Seng used to operate his discus farm at the entrance to Straits (on the rigt hand side) ... and he just won himself the Grand Champion in France for his Snake skin discus.

Sorry for the misunderstanding ... he sells discus ... not betta.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
Hi Samuel,
Where is this Chye Kun Seng's betta shop? He sells bettas only?

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com





Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Chris Yew]

Oh it's Chai Discus and not Chye discus.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com

[Samuel Phan]

Oops ... wrong spelling ... but anyway ... you got it rite?
=)
quote:
Oh it's Chai Discus and not Chye discus.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com







Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Foo Hong]

Chai Discus is at Tanglin Halt lah brothers! i also thot Chai and Chye have switched to bettas..ha!

Yes agree with Hsu. My 'pirahna stage' fries will eat any damn thing.

Live tubi and BW are good in that they attract the fishes' attention and hence they are induced to eat more. Tubi is fatty, too much is bad for their "cholesterol levels" <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Samuel Phan]

Sorry for any confusion caused ... I anyhow "Ham Tam".
I feel my fish soely on tubifex ... maybe it not such a good move afterall.

But I see it as the simplest food that is easily available.

Might interchange with bloodworm ... but they dun seem sto like it too much.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

quote:
Chai Discus is at Tanglin Halt lah brothers! i also thot Chai and Chye have switched to bettas..ha!

Yes agree with Hsu. My 'pirahna stage' fries will eat any damn thing.

Live tubi and BW are good in that they attract the fishes' attention and hence they are induced to eat more. Tubi is fatty, too much is bad for their "cholesterol levels" <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>




Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Eric Yeo]

What is the price of Hikari bloodworm now?
The last time I bought was $15 a dozen fm Toa Payoh Blk 69. At Bedok North St 4. I checked that 1 dozen for $13 (24 square cubes per pack) and $14 a dozen (32 cubes per pack). I was told the BW is the big worm.[?]

[Eric Yeo]

What is the price of Hikari bloodworm now?
The last time I bought was $15 a dozen fm Toa Payoh Blk 69. At Bedok North St 4. I checked that 1 dozen for $13 (24 square cubes per pack) and $14 a dozen (32 cubes per pack). I was told the BW is the big worm.[?]

[Foo Hong]

I got 2 boxes...cannot use cos the size is XXL. and my bettas mouth is only L....:(

[Foo Hong]

I got 2 boxes...cannot use cos the size is XXL. and my bettas mouth is only L....:(

[kennho]

According to what I know, there are several type, size of bloodworms. Those big worms you guys are getting, those are from China. The 24-cube pack actually the same as those China made "Dragon" brand from Yi Hu Trading (sole distributor mah). Anyway, look at the prints on the silver pack for all the Hikari products.

The company that manufactured Hikari products is Kamihata Fish Industries, Japan. They website all in Japs (they know me, i dunno them). They will be here for the Aquarama 2003 for the Koi and Goldfish products. Can throw them those questions and see how lor.

Anyway, most of us purchase at 13-15 bucks a stryloform box(12 slabs). You can go to the distributor to obtain a large box at lower cost of average 11-12 bucks.

[kennho]

According to what I know, there are several type, size of bloodworms. Those big worms you guys are getting, those are from China. The 24-cube pack actually the same as those China made "Dragon" brand from Yi Hu Trading (sole distributor mah). Anyway, look at the prints on the silver pack for all the Hikari products.

The company that manufactured Hikari products is Kamihata Fish Industries, Japan. They website all in Japs (they know me, i dunno them). They will be here for the Aquarama 2003 for the Koi and Goldfish products. Can throw them those questions and see how lor.

Anyway, most of us purchase at 13-15 bucks a stryloform box(12 slabs). You can go to the distributor to obtain a large box at lower cost of average 11-12 bucks.

[kennho]

If you look at all these Hikari frozen products, simply find it amazing. Some of my friends thaw and wash before using. With all these ingredients we are paying for, some just wash it away. Worth it or not ?

If Dr Fred Chua said something about Kidney, then Vit B Complex is one important factor to watch out for - Detox.

Vitamin B12, needed in the manufacture of red blood cells and the maintenance of red blood cells and it stimulates appetite, promotes growth and release energy.

Pyridoxine hydrochloride (B6), Metabolized in the liver and excreted through the urine.

l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (stabilized vitamin C), synthesis of collagen in connective tissue, neurotransmitters, steroid hormones, carnitine, conversion of cholesterol to bile acids and enhances iron bioavailability.

Riboflavin (Vit B2), required by the body to use oxygen and the metabolism of amino acids, fatty acids, and carbohydrates. Riboflavin is further needed to activate vitamin B6 (pyridoxine), helps to create niacin and assists the adrenal gland. It may be used for red blood cell formation, antibody production, cell respiration, and growth.

Thiamine mono-nitrate (Vit B1), enhance circulation, helps with blood formation and the metabolism of carbohydrates. It is also required for the health of the nervous system

Biotin (Vit H), used in cell growth, the production of fatty acids, metabolism of fats, and proteins.

Choline chloride, major precursor of betaine, and it is used by the kidneys to maintain water balance.

Folic acid (Vit B9), required for DNA synthesis and cell growth and is important for red blood cell formation, energy production as well as the forming of amino acids. Folic acid is essential for creating heme, the iron containing substance in hemoglobin, crucial for oxygen transport.

Pantothenic acid (Vit B5), in the secretion of hormones, such as cortisone because of the role it plays in supporting the adrenal gland. These hormones assist the metabolism, help to fight allergies and are beneficial in the maintenance of healthy skin, muscles and nerves.

Inositol, an important part in the health of cell membranes especially the specialized cells in the brain, bone marrow, eyes and intestines. The function of the cell membranes is to regulate the contents of the cells, which makes effective functioning possible.

Niacin (B3), required for cell respiration, helps in the release of energy and metabolism of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins, proper circulation and healthy skin, functioning of the nervous system, and normal secretion of bile and stomach fluids. It is used in the synthesis of sex hormones, treating schizophrenia and other mental illnesses, and a memory-enhancer.

That's what we are paying for huh ? No info was given on how these vitamins was applied. But I guess likely comes with the frozen liquid together with the worms.

[kennho]

If you look at all these Hikari frozen products, simply find it amazing. Some of my friends thaw and wash before using. With all these ingredients we are paying for, some just wash it away. Worth it or not ?

If Dr Fred Chua said something about Kidney, then Vit B Complex is one important factor to watch out for - Detox.

Vitamin B12, needed in the manufacture of red blood cells and the maintenance of red blood cells and it stimulates appetite, promotes growth and release energy.

Pyridoxine hydrochloride (B6), Metabolized in the liver and excreted through the urine.

l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (stabilized vitamin C), synthesis of collagen in connective tissue, neurotransmitters, steroid hormones, carnitine, conversion of cholesterol to bile acids and enhances iron bioavailability.

Riboflavin (Vit B2), required by the body to use oxygen and the metabolism of amino acids, fatty acids, and carbohydrates. Riboflavin is further needed to activate vitamin B6 (pyridoxine), helps to create niacin and assists the adrenal gland. It may be used for red blood cell formation, antibody production, cell respiration, and growth.

Thiamine mono-nitrate (Vit B1), enhance circulation, helps with blood formation and the metabolism of carbohydrates. It is also required for the health of the nervous system

Biotin (Vit H), used in cell growth, the production of fatty acids, metabolism of fats, and proteins.

Choline chloride, major precursor of betaine, and it is used by the kidneys to maintain water balance.

Folic acid (Vit B9), required for DNA synthesis and cell growth and is important for red blood cell formation, energy production as well as the forming of amino acids. Folic acid is essential for creating heme, the iron containing substance in hemoglobin, crucial for oxygen transport.

Pantothenic acid (Vit B5), in the secretion of hormones, such as cortisone because of the role it plays in supporting the adrenal gland. These hormones assist the metabolism, help to fight allergies and are beneficial in the maintenance of healthy skin, muscles and nerves.

Inositol, an important part in the health of cell membranes especially the specialized cells in the brain, bone marrow, eyes and intestines. The function of the cell membranes is to regulate the contents of the cells, which makes effective functioning possible.

Niacin (B3), required for cell respiration, helps in the release of energy and metabolism of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins, proper circulation and healthy skin, functioning of the nervous system, and normal secretion of bile and stomach fluids. It is used in the synthesis of sex hormones, treating schizophrenia and other mental illnesses, and a memory-enhancer.

That's what we are paying for huh ? No info was given on how these vitamins was applied. But I guess likely comes with the frozen liquid together with the worms.

[Chris Yew]

There are Hikari USA website (English);
http://www.hikariusa.com/blood.htm

See the packing - product of China?

http://www.hikariusa.com/images/products/frozen%20blood%20worms.jpg

and also their Malaysia and S'pore agent (English);
http://cyberoffice.com.my/fishy/

The vitamins are in the worms and not in the water as explained in their site.

[Chris Yew]

There are Hikari USA website (English);
http://www.hikariusa.com/blood.htm

See the packing - product of China?

http://www.hikariusa.com/images/products/frozen%20blood%20worms.jpg

and also their Malaysia and S'pore agent (English);
http://cyberoffice.com.my/fishy/

The vitamins are in the worms and not in the water as explained in their site.

[Foo Hong]

u want home cooked food? buy a bottle of multi vits, any brand....theose the use to mix discus beef heart mix. I ve even tried children multi vit syrup :D.

For bettas, just get the live TBW or BW and drop a drop or 2 of vits solution, 5 to 10 mins later feed to the darn betta.

if u have ntg betta to do, can truy the above ;)

[Foo Hong]

u want home cooked food? buy a bottle of multi vits, any brand....theose the use to mix discus beef heart mix. I ve even tried children multi vit syrup :D.

For bettas, just get the live TBW or BW and drop a drop or 2 of vits solution, 5 to 10 mins later feed to the darn betta.

if u have ntg betta to do, can truy the above ;)

[Foo Hong]

mmm....Lam Hong is selling the normal sizes already. those gigantic BWs still in the market elsewhere [cnf]

[Foo Hong]

mmm....Lam Hong is selling the normal sizes already. those gigantic BWs still in the market elsewhere [cnf]

[imported_n/a]

i bought the Hikari Frozen Bloodworm, rather cheap, S$1.40/- for 32 cubes in a packet. near my house somemore. they sell in bulk also but i thought, buy 1 packet try try first. then there is also the S$1.20 for 24 cubes but the cubes are larger.

[eddiecheng]

if we buy alot will it be cheaper ? Anybody wanna combine money then buy alot from supplier then we split it up. Will it be cheaper and better ?

[Myron Tay]

Personally, I buy one styrofoam worth of bloodworms (12 packets) and keep them in the fridge. Find that this is the best way to ensure quality of the frozen bloodworms, while at the same time not overload the fridge.

[Myron Tay]

Personally, I buy one styrofoam worth of bloodworms (12 packets) and keep them in the fridge. Find that this is the best way to ensure quality of the frozen bloodworms, while at the same time not overload the fridge.

[Sebas]

The pricing of frozen hikari bloodworms dont really very much differences between shops. But the most advisable thing to do when you want to save some money is to buy the styroform full of bloodworms like what myron does. Some fish shops do get from my grandpa's place to sell. If you have transport and lives/works near there, you can pay my grandpa a visit. His brother is the one selling the bloodworms now.
There are 2 brands - rainbow and hikari. I personally prefer hikari.

[Sebas]

The pricing of frozen hikari bloodworms dont really very much differences between shops. But the most advisable thing to do when you want to save some money is to buy the styroform full of bloodworms like what myron does. Some fish shops do get from my grandpa's place to sell. If you have transport and lives/works near there, you can pay my grandpa a visit. His brother is the one selling the bloodworms now.
There are 2 brands - rainbow and hikari. I personally prefer hikari.

[Tan Xiao YI]

erm i having been using a brand for quite long time

its frm Qian hu loh name "super blood worm"

reli is damn super my adult betta eat 4-5 full till canot move
liao...but if over feed overnite fungus will grow v fast !

[Tan Xiao YI]

erm i having been using a brand for quite long time

its frm Qian hu loh name "super blood worm"

reli is damn super my adult betta eat 4-5 full till canot move
liao...but if over feed overnite fungus will grow v fast !

[Myron Tay]

I absolutely agree with Dr Hsu. What say the rest of you?

quote:Originally posted by Dr Hsu

No substitute to Hikari IMHO.

[Lyon Goh]

I use to rely alot on Hikari until there's like a whole island out of stock thing, i go for this Hikari but China one. The worms are rough and the fish dun take them. Then i switched to Junko. This kind is cheap, texture is same as Hikari and the fish take them. Whole styrofoam box of 12 packs cost me only a mere $6

[Myron Tay]

Thanks for sharing, Lyon. Believe that all the frozen bloodworms from Hikari are also produced in China currently. Could I enquire if the vitamin supplements to Junko frozen bloodworms are the same as Hikari?

quote:Originally posted by Lyon Goh

I use to rely alot on Hikari until there's like a whole island out of stock thing, i go for this Hikari but China one. The worms are rough and the fish dun take them. Then i switched to Junko. This kind is cheap, texture is same as Hikari and the fish take them. Whole styrofoam box of 12 packs cost me only a mere $6

[Lyon Goh]

Some are packed in US i think and hence the price of $12 per styrofoam
The pack says Multi Vitamins, Crude Protein not less den 3.4%, Crude Fat not less den 0.35%, Crude Fiber not higher den 0.8% and Crude Ash not higher den 1.5%

[vinceyeo]

eh only 3.4% protein??? 34% issit heh...

[Lyon Goh]

no, its 3.4%

[vinceyeo]

Lyon: oops thats the multi vitamins right? my eyes got betta block me... saw wrongly thought you referring to frozen bloodworms LOL...

[Lyon Goh]

yup yup, relax

[Myron Tay]

How can you tell if your frozen bloodworms have turned bad?

Immerse a cube into water. Those that float have already turned bad. If there is quite a lot of bloodworms floating after the cube has dissolved, you should throw the whole batch way.

One way to be assured of quality is to buy the entire styrofoam box worth. You never know what happens to those kept in the local fish stores.

[Lyon Goh]

thanks for the Info.
I always buy my worms in styrofoam box. Unless I want to try frozen Brine Shrimp or some other food