Derrick's Experience with Blue Halfmoons

[Myron Tay]

Could I invite Derrick to speak about his experience in producing his line?

[derrick kuah]

paiseh ,paiseh, i can,t cos my old line died on me and those new spawns,result still ..???
I think Foohong will be a better person on this tread. thanks . derrick++

[Foo Hong]

I think shld get diff people to talk. someone who only solely works blue.

I am jack of all colours.....kekeke. currently working my butts out on red, white n blacks.....at same time still trying to keep the other lines going.

Doesnt mean one has to have a very successful line to talk here. We can share what we went thru n where we went wrong so others can learn!

[Myron Tay]

Lesson Number One from Derrick: Humility, which would cause one to continue asking and experimenting, because never believe that you have "arrived". Be constantly on the lookout for improvements to your line.

So what is lesson number 2? :D

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

paiseh ,paiseh, i can,t cos my old line died on me and those new spawns,result still ..???
I think Foohong will be a better person on this tread. thanks . derrick++

[Kelvin Tan]

hmm...i think everyone of us working on thai fish now..... their fish has been outstanding.

[Kelvin Tan]

hmm...i think everyone of us working on thai fish now..... their fish has been outstanding.

[Myron Tay]

Maybe to help the process along...Derrick, could I ask what you look out for when you select your breeders for the blue line?

[Myron Tay]

Maybe to help the process along...Derrick, could I ask what you look out for when you select your breeders for the blue line?

[derrick kuah]

Myron , ok weill try . I think its all personal likings.First :colour,second:finnages and balances(finnages and body).Personally , i like my caudal ,like axe head type(curve outward).understand from fh ,they are atison ,s genos(fish).I find most will turned sd at least if water conditions are kept to thier liking.
Right now , i have a spawn of turquios(15 weeks) ,kept only 15 pcs(from 500 pcs),rest with my couson,s aro belly).two almost hm or..maybe...big dorsai , long anal, like "mirror image", axe head caudal(over 180 deg) but not straight line.body and finnages ,very well balanced,colour ..good. yeah , how to attach pics here , somebody help???.Or maybe safe your comments for the house visit.Only problem , i find ,those with this axe head caudal alway have thin body, that make them very difficult to breed (i have problem with my totoro ,s male).

[derrick kuah]

Myron , ok weill try . I think its all personal likings.First :colour,second:finnages and balances(finnages and body).Personally , i like my caudal ,like axe head type(curve outward).understand from fh ,they are atison ,s genos(fish).I find most will turned sd at least if water conditions are kept to thier liking.
Right now , i have a spawn of turquios(15 weeks) ,kept only 15 pcs(from 500 pcs),rest with my couson,s aro belly).two almost hm or..maybe...big dorsai , long anal, like "mirror image", axe head caudal(over 180 deg) but not straight line.body and finnages ,very well balanced,colour ..good. yeah , how to attach pics here , somebody help???.Or maybe safe your comments for the house visit.Only problem , i find ,those with this axe head caudal alway have thin body, that make them very difficult to breed (i have problem with my totoro ,s male).

[Foo Hong]

Actually Atison is the father of most irids HM in Thailand. He even sold to Japan long ago and thats why some Jap fishes resemble Thai.

My lines also carry about 25% of Atison's progeny.

The only thing I still dont like with many thai fishes is the 'rays' sticking out, esp in the anal fins. Colour wise and fin volume in some are pretty good.

[Foo Hong]

Actually Atison is the father of most irids HM in Thailand. He even sold to Japan long ago and thats why some Jap fishes resemble Thai.

My lines also carry about 25% of Atison's progeny.

The only thing I still dont like with many thai fishes is the 'rays' sticking out, esp in the anal fins. Colour wise and fin volume in some are pretty good.

[derrick kuah]

Foohong,If you had read ATISON,S STORY ,you will realised that he actually sytarted with a few pairs from his japanese friend ,long ,long ago. then its goes full circle.
Long time ever toch on this thread. ok , where am i.oh , re my turquios , i have to thank sam awyong , for pointing out to me(underfed my fishes).After loading them up , they shown hm already, bred two pairs alreasdy.. hopefully ,will be able to get fries like the parent.
right , i m also running totoro lines(three actually), tk lee totoro , japan direct ,totoro and saichon.
tk lee totoro....find these fishes , colour ..mostly laced and balance ..good. high %of hms. Also found ,the female(laced) carried black and alway produce good spawn when bred to any average fishes.(only the laced not the blue).
japan, totoro...male tended to be thin and weak , very difficult ,to breed them . So far only managed three spawns from this lines .But have quite a good havest with the females with other male.finnages from this line,tend to produce over hms fries. i haven,t get any yet but already havested quite a nos. of hms. will be bringing a few to the exhibition.Also young steel(6weeks)that show hm finnages.yeah, the females ,s finnages also very good.

Saichon... i don,t know ,how many % of totoro genes in this line.the finnages and balance is excellent. the % of hm from this line ,alsoi very high. i managed to get lot of hms.one different, this line from other , i belived is, the body shape and sizes.the body is thick(some ppl said ,its well fed but i don,t overfed my fish)And also the finnages to body ratio is about 3/4 :1,small finnages compare to other.when young , they actually look like "plakat"(short tail).will be bringing some as exhibits.only problem , i find this line is , its carried a little yellow gene for thge turquios(yellow washes on some fishes)also understand from other, they also throw some yellow in the spawn(can,t confirm yet,don,t know wheather its pastel or yellow).BUt for my spawns , i got only turquios from turquios....

[Foo Hong]

Derrick,
Oh is it? kekekeke. Anyway Japs also got from the west [US & Europe initially ]. Ai Ya so anyway its just a big merry go round. Actually it doesnt matter where the stock originate from. I find that if you manage it well they will be good, managed badly it will deteriorate. Just like cooks. Everyone uses more or less same ingredients for making Chicken Rice. But why do some Chicken Rice taste better? Bcos of the cook! Irregardless of where he bought the chicken from.

Roti Prata, laksa, Char huay teow also the same [eb]

[derrick kuah]

yes , big brother , you are right, its all management of water and conditioning.

[Foo Hong]

I thot u r the bigger brudder?

[derrick kuah]

ha ,ha , i m older but for bettas , you are way ahead of me , need a lot to catch up on you. watch your back side.......

[Foo Hong]

As we speak, the irids from spawn number 1 of line 1 is growing nicely and have jarred abt 20 pieces of males so far last weekend. Just took a peek after dinner today and noticed abt 10 looking pretty exciting. I ll bring them all to exhibit at the roadshow.

[Myron Tay]

Nice blue HM from Derrick (from Totoro spawn):

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/photoalbum/derrick%20kuah/DSC01970.JPG

Derrick, this is a young fish right? How young?

[Foo Hong]

[eb] [eb] [eb]

[derrick kuah]

hui , myron ,
its the first fish ,i took out from the tanks(about 16 weeks) ,rest(most) still in tanks.Jarred around 5 pcs, three shown hm plakat style..and sold three pairs already.(earlier,same jarring as the pics fish).... more coming up(pics) ..next few weeks

[Myron Tay]

Personally, I think that the next thing that all should be working on for the irids lines to get the head the same colour as the body. Otherwise, it is strictly not a solid colour!!!

[Sebas]

I am sorry myron, for interupting. But i have to do this.
FOOHONG, WHERE ARE YOU.........!?!

[derrick kuah]

Will bring my copper ..jade super delta(maybe hm) to the agm(cross beteew gold and saicho female).will post if i can get some pics . thanks.

[VinceTan]

jade super delta :D cool...
waiting for your pics ,sir :)

[Foo Hong]

I am here..........hows all your blue bettas everyone ?

Mine will be in the breeding tank tom.....hopefully a few gud offsprings to enter in aquarama!!!!!!!!!!!

if u guys wana join in the fun, u gotta breed now for the event!!

[Foo Hong]

I am here..........hows all your blue bettas everyone ?

Mine will be in the breeding tank tom.....hopefully a few gud offsprings to enter in aquarama!!!!!!!!!!!

if u guys wana join in the fun, u gotta breed now for the event!!

[Jonathan_Tan]

managed to get abt 4Hm out of 8 jarred bettas.
from my lastest royal blue and steel Hm cross...

[Jonathan_Tan]

managed to get abt 4Hm out of 8 jarred bettas.
from my lastest royal blue and steel Hm cross...

[derrick kuah]

jonathan , is the steel from me. you can have some more (to breed, with conditions). i will be away for a while and i m not breeding this line. So you can breed them but give me back some offsprings when i come back(away for 3 weeks).Might not be right for competition(timing is right i hope).can only breed my fishes end july or mid august.right now lot of hms(totoro ,saichon,etc etc..red,white ,black,marbled ,butterfly and the blues,plakats,imbellis(gold with no washes)).

[derrick kuah]

jonathan , is the steel from me. you can have some more (to breed, with conditions). i will be away for a while and i m not breeding this line. So you can breed them but give me back some offsprings when i come back(away for 3 weeks).Might not be right for competition(timing is right i hope).can only breed my fishes end july or mid august.right now lot of hms(totoro ,saichon,etc etc..red,white ,black,marbled ,butterfly and the blues,plakats,imbellis(gold with no washes)).

[Jonathan_Tan]

yep.
the male is from u..
threw out a really good spawn.
when will u be goin away?
i dun mind getting a few more pairs to breed and i will definitely pass some offsprings back to u.

[Jonathan_Tan]

yep.
the male is from u..
threw out a really good spawn.
when will u be goin away?
i dun mind getting a few more pairs to breed and i will definitely pass some offsprings back to u.

[Myron Tay]

As mentioned before in another thread, we need to get the colour on the head of the blue halfmoons. Know that Dr Hsu is working on this already. Anyone else?

[derrick kuah]

New Totoro pics.

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[derrick kuah]

New Totoro pics.

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[derrick kuah]

Some more pics.

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[derrick kuah]

Some more pics.

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[Myron Tay]

Derrick

Some of them are almost perfect. Need to watch that the anal fin do not get too long and the caudal does not get too short! Some have colour on their heads but need to work on this a lot more.

[Myron Tay]

Derrick

Some of them are almost perfect. Need to watch that the anal fin do not get too long and the caudal does not get too short! Some have colour on their heads but need to work on this a lot more.

[derrick kuah]

Thanks Myron,
Don,t know to continue as totoro(details), clean colour and long anal (curtain like
)but when "they" flar, will form a round circle.When not flaring , the anal do look longer then caudal. That,s the style of totoro.
When i got the original breeders, they are thin and very long bodied fishes . most males , very defficult breeder. have to try and try ,for many times before successful in spawning.
ah... sigh , my white (opaque),tried since octerber last year , only managed two spawns , around april....also...can only bred to other(saichon and foohong female)...but they look very promising......colour like father , with a green gloss type and vey very clean, not a drop of others colour.will show pics when available.

[derrick kuah]

Thanks Myron,
Don,t know to continue as totoro(details), clean colour and long anal (curtain like
)but when "they" flar, will form a round circle.When not flaring , the anal do look longer then caudal. That,s the style of totoro.
When i got the original breeders, they are thin and very long bodied fishes . most males , very defficult breeder. have to try and try ,for many times before successful in spawning.
ah... sigh , my white (opaque),tried since octerber last year , only managed two spawns , around april....also...can only bred to other(saichon and foohong female)...but they look very promising......colour like father , with a green gloss type and vey very clean, not a drop of others colour.will show pics when available.

[Myron Tay]

Get the masked long-tails from Dr Hsu to get the colour on the head of your fishes.

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

Thanks Myron,
Don,t know to continue

[Myron Tay]

Get the masked long-tails from Dr Hsu to get the colour on the head of your fishes.

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

Thanks Myron,
Don,t know to continue

[derrick kuah]

Ha Ha, DR passed me his female during the bbq already.Will try many combination;with saichon , with totoro and with my mask delta-imbellis.

[derrick kuah]

Ha Ha, DR passed me his female during the bbq already.Will try many combination;with saichon , with totoro and with my mask delta-imbellis.

[derrick kuah]

new hms pics coming up.....they are from my new spawn ..about 8-10weeks..
this is the uncle,,,,,

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[derrick kuah]

here the fries..... enjoy...
fry no 1
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same fish no 1
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this spawn throws around 50 % black, this is one of the bigger black from same spawn
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brother of no 1
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same fish no 2
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[mohammad taufiq]

wow!! uncle derrick the fry very2 nice...!! 2 thuumbs up!!:D

[mohammad taufiq]

but i admire this hm!!! very NICE.. taken from a thai website.. hope he dun mind... [^]

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[derrick kuah]

taufiq,
thanks, those are young fishes just like the thai one you posted.always look nice when young. the challeng is ,to keep them as its for another month than that will be good.usaually,most will"collape"in one month, unless the genes are good and they can keep up with very high percentages of hms..will post the same fishes pics in one month time, than you tell me the differents.by the way ,the black is already a hm.but ... sigh ,the good blue"drop"already but the younger one is better now....ha ha...only hope and hope...

[mohammad taufiq]

good luck... hope to see it grow matures....

[Choy_jinhui]

normally where did u all buy ur bettas??

[Choy_jinhui]

normally where did u all buy ur bettas??

[Myron Tay]

Jin Hui

I would refer you to the following thread for a list of local betta shops:

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=839

quote:Originally posted by Choy_jinhui

normally where did u all buy ur bettas??

[Myron Tay]

Jin Hui

I would refer you to the following thread for a list of local betta shops:

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=839

quote:Originally posted by Choy_jinhui

normally where did u all buy ur bettas??

[Choy_jinhui]

wat's a jarred betta??

[Choy_jinhui]

wat's a jarred betta??

[Myron Tay]

When a young betta growing up together with its siblings is matured enough, it starts tearing at its siblings. As this is deemed undesirable (since we are talking about show bettas which are admired for their long flowing untorn fins), we would need to separate the male bettas and place them in jars. Hence the term "jarred" bettas.

[Myron Tay]

When a young betta growing up together with its siblings is matured enough, it starts tearing at its siblings. As this is deemed undesirable (since we are talking about show bettas which are admired for their long flowing untorn fins), we would need to separate the male bettas and place them in jars. Hence the term "jarred" bettas.

[derrick kuah]

updated on my bettas.
the same black shown in my earlier post dated22/10/2003
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same black
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same black
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If he can "make it", he is in the comp with his brothers



the same royal blue,posted dated 22/10/2003
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same fish
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same fish

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at this rate , it is growing, think , he will be able to make it to the comp ,with his brothers.


see you .. good luck.

[derrick kuah]

updated on my bettas.
the same black shown in my earlier post dated22/10/2003
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same black
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same black
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If he can "make it", he is in the comp with his brothers



the same royal blue,posted dated 22/10/2003
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same fish
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same fish

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at this rate , it is growing, think , he will be able to make it to the comp ,with his brothers.


see you .. good luck.

[derrick kuah]

Myron ,
my masks from Dr Hsu ,s female and MY,s saichon turquios

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they are still very young , these are the bigger ones(about 5-6 weeks old), most with red ventrals but lot with full masks. Also showing characters of saichon,expected to get hms from them

[derrick kuah]

Myron ,
my masks from Dr Hsu ,s female and MY,s saichon turquios

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they are still very young , these are the bigger ones(about 5-6 weeks old), most with red ventrals but lot with full masks. Also showing characters of saichon,expected to get hms from them

[Dr Hsu]

Derrick,

Told you the female good right?:D I think I should get back a daughter to cross back into my line:D:D

[Dr Hsu]

Derrick,

Told you the female good right?:D I think I should get back a daughter to cross back into my line:D:D

[derrick kuah]

DR,
thanks , you are right.anytime , you want it, no problem.

[derrick kuah]

DR,
thanks , you are right.anytime , you want it, no problem.

[vincent mah]

Sorry Derrick forgot to ask for the female you wanted
from DR [sr][sr][sr].

[vincent mah]

Sorry Derrick forgot to ask for the female you wanted
from DR [sr][sr][sr].

[Alex Lim]

anyone knows the name of this kind of betta? or are they saichons? one of my fellas resemble Derrick's fella DSCO3710 i've one of these gotten from a friend.. he has a box of these from a small spawn.. can't recall what he used to breed with. however, many of the fellas from this batch is pretty successful in the colour turnout and finnages. in fact, some i've seen turns out to be close to HM (as in close to 180 degree caudal spread)

[Alex Lim]

anyone knows the name of this kind of betta? or are they saichons? one of my fellas resemble Derrick's fella DSCO3710 i've one of these gotten from a friend.. he has a box of these from a small spawn.. can't recall what he used to breed with. however, many of the fellas from this batch is pretty successful in the colour turnout and finnages. in fact, some i've seen turns out to be close to HM (as in close to 180 degree caudal spread)

[derrick kuah]

Oh , i actually bred my saichon turquios male to dr Hsu mask female(cross between imbellis x hm type). To get mask is not defficult but to get mask hms , that is the challenge.racing with dr hsu... who comes first ..ha ha.
note : i got my mask type(delta) six month back.Now i m hoping , some will turn out hms from this spawn.( they have the same characters as saichon young fries, at this stage).

[derrick kuah]

Oh , i actually bred my saichon turquios male to dr Hsu mask female(cross between imbellis x hm type). To get mask is not defficult but to get mask hms , that is the challenge.racing with dr hsu... who comes first ..ha ha.
note : i got my mask type(delta) six month back.Now i m hoping , some will turn out hms from this spawn.( they have the same characters as saichon young fries, at this stage).

[Choy_jinhui]

how an imbellis look like??


how long can i keep the fries together in a community tank before
i have to start jarring them??? and wat do u feed them when they are
abt 3 to 4 days old and feed for how long before feeding them food like food flakes and live food??[cnf]

[Choy_jinhui]

how an imbellis look like??


how long can i keep the fries together in a community tank before
i have to start jarring them??? and wat do u feed them when they are
abt 3 to 4 days old and feed for how long before feeding them food like food flakes and live food??[cnf]

[Phil]

Just thought that I should share with all of you a picture of my overfinned HM or a HM with too much rays.

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The moral of this story is that you cannot overdo increasing ray splits. It will break the caudal pattern and create a flower petal like caudal. Hence everything has its limits.. so no 36 ray splits..

[Phil]

Just thought that I should share with all of you a picture of my overfinned HM or a HM with too much rays.

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The moral of this story is that you cannot overdo increasing ray splits. It will break the caudal pattern and create a flower petal like caudal. Hence everything has its limits.. so no 36 ray splits..

[Alex Lim]

Dr Hsu,

how do one identify the splits?

[Alex Lim]

Dr Hsu,

how do one identify the splits?

[Alex Lim]

quote:Originally posted by Alex Lim

Dr Hsu,

how do one identify the splits?


Aiyah, dumb me~ no wonder no one replied to me. i made a silly error.. [bh] sorry, the question should be directed to Uncle Phil instead. but if anyone out there is able to help me, please feel free to enlighten?

[Alex Lim]

quote:Originally posted by Alex Lim

Dr Hsu,

how do one identify the splits?


Aiyah, dumb me~ no wonder no one replied to me. i made a silly error.. [bh] sorry, the question should be directed to Uncle Phil instead. but if anyone out there is able to help me, please feel free to enlighten?

[Toh Chen Han]

Its easy. Just start from any one primary ray at the caudal fin's base, and see how many times it splits.

E.g. primary ray - primary splits (into 2 rays) - secondary splits (into 4 rays) - tertiery splits (into 8 rays). So a betta with tertiery splits means that EACH primary ray splits three times, so at the end of the caudal you see sets of 8 rays originating from each primary ray.

Another e.g. a DDR Crown tail has secondary splits - 4 rays at the caudal edge.

[Toh Chen Han]

Its easy. Just start from any one primary ray at the caudal fin's base, and see how many times it splits.

E.g. primary ray - primary splits (into 2 rays) - secondary splits (into 4 rays) - tertiery splits (into 8 rays). So a betta with tertiery splits means that EACH primary ray splits three times, so at the end of the caudal you see sets of 8 rays originating from each primary ray.

Another e.g. a DDR Crown tail has secondary splits - 4 rays at the caudal edge.

[Myron Tay]

Hi Alex

Here's our on-going discussion on branching and splits (http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=166). I am sure you would find it useful.

[Myron Tay]

Hi Alex

Here's our on-going discussion on branching and splits (http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=166). I am sure you would find it useful.

[Phil]

Alex, your question has been answered..cheers.

[Phil]

Alex, your question has been answered..cheers.

[Alex Lim]

*whew* very difficult to apprehend till i saw Chris' delta-ct pic. once shown the pic plus its specifications, all the details begin to make sense to me. many thanks to Chen Han, Myron & Uncle Phil.

cheers~

[Alex Lim]

*whew* very difficult to apprehend till i saw Chris' delta-ct pic. once shown the pic plus its specifications, all the details begin to make sense to me. many thanks to Chen Han, Myron & Uncle Phil.

cheers~

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Phil Ngo

Just thought that I should share with all of you a picture of my overfinned HM or a HM with too much rays.

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The moral of this story is that you cannot overdo increasing ray splits. It will break the caudal pattern and create a flower petal like caudal. Hence everything has its limits.. so no 36 ray splits..

Point well taken and noted. I have always advocated that we should not have too much branching or splits. Actually, some HMs have been developed with minimal branching!

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Phil Ngo

Just thought that I should share with all of you a picture of my overfinned HM or a HM with too much rays.

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The moral of this story is that you cannot overdo increasing ray splits. It will break the caudal pattern and create a flower petal like caudal. Hence everything has its limits.. so no 36 ray splits..

Point well taken and noted. I have always advocated that we should not have too much branching or splits. Actually, some HMs have been developed with minimal branching!

[Sebas]

Hi Myron, i think if you can find photos of blues taken with flash, it will be even better. Because the outer rim of the finnage of the turquoise u've posted looks like royal blue.

[Sebas]

Hi Myron, i think if you can find photos of blues taken with flash, it will be even better. Because the outer rim of the finnage of the turquoise u've posted looks like royal blue.

[derrick kuah]

MY New masks pics.

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THey are not the finnish products yet.Maybe another two generation , before , they are ggood for comp ,i think.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

MY New masks pics.

THey are not the finnish products yet.Maybe another two generation , before , they are ggood for comp ,i think.
Great mask deltas. Think they have some way to go but the line seems to be moving in the right direction. Hopefully soon unmasked blues can only be found in the history books.

[Lyon Goh]

I have a question. Take a look at most Blue/Turq/Steel HMs today. Most have a white trimming on the edge of the fins. Is this the result of marble genes or butterfly (vf)?

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Lyon Goh

I have a question. Take a look at most Blue/Turq/Steel HMs today. Most have a white trimming on the edge of the fins. Is this the result of marble genes or butterfly (vf)?

Lyon

Not the good ones, such as the fish by Sarawut above. :D It is the existance of variegated fins gene and is common in the red and non-red lines as well.

[Alex Lim]

Lyon,

considering the age of the betta (yap, that one you just bought :D), there is a high possibility that the colour will play "catch-up". have discussed this with Annie before. not unless, as Myron mentioned, these contain variegated genes. but if you look at Sarawut's winning fish in more micro detail, the ultra-fine lining can still be detected. but i do not think it kills off the beauty of the fish.