Formation of our own BettaMedic Team

[Chris Yew]

This is juz my personal proposal to set up our own BettaMedic Team to help our hobbyists and members for their sick bettas. The team will probably consists of 4-5 or more experienced betta hobbyists to give advice. It's nothing new as it's similar to the Aromedic Board in Arofanatics.

My proposed team (depending on their approval and members support) are;
1. Dr.Kenny Poh
2. Dr.Hsu Li Chieh
3. Foo Hong
4. Kelvin Tan (Betta Saver)

Of course, another new forum heading will be created upon formation of the team.

Others who wish to join the team are welcome and pls post here.

[Chris Yew]

So how, want or don't want??

[Tan Xiao YI]

poor Mr yew no ppl care ab u haha...i not beri exprence leh sorri cant help u...

[Ong Ginyew]

Kenneth can join, he is gud at it....

[Foo Hong]

Yeah kenneth can.

everyone busy mahjonging lah.....wait for 15 days!

[kennho]

hahahaha ... I dun play MJ for many many months liao.

My experience in lybrinth fish is very limited. Problem is that I focus more on quarantine process of other fishes so the methods derived are quite different and erh ..... But of course, we can start by focusing on proper keeping through the forums, newsletters and leaflets at roadshow. There are already a whole list of dieases in the forum. We can do another thing which some might think otherwise (*it's not nice to critize others) - case studies from other forums. You know what I mean lah. hahaha.

With 2 doctors on board, I have no doubt that they can provide much detail information on dieases and maybe we can supplement our experience with commerical medications.

[Kenny Poh]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the nomination, it should be fine with me, but very paiseh lah![:I] Me an experienced betta hobbyist? Not really lah, just restarting it only!

Yeah, the team of pple look alright, with the experienced ones inside the team, the experience they have would greatly complement the theoretical knowledge.

I'm ok with this idea if the rest (Li Chieh, Foo Hong, Kelvin, Kenneth, who else?) are ok as well.

Cheers,

Kenny

[Kelvin Tan]

thanks i am honoured by yr nomination. but i am not actually that good to be in the team, i just treat according to what is suggested on instructions. and improvise and experiment when things dun work right. anyway my methods may not be agreed upon as well.. but anyway i would tryand help where i can, when members are faced with problems.

thanks

[Chris Yew]

So can I confirm the following members to be in the new BettaMedic board?
1. Dr.Kenny Poh
2. Dr.Hsu Li Chieh
3. Foo Hong
4. Kelvin Tan (Betta Saver)
5. Kenneth Ho

If there's no opting out, I consider ok right? haha.

[Foo Hong]

errr...if give the wrong medical recommendation, will the doctor's licence be '***-tong'??

[Chris Yew]

the doctor's licence won't be '***-tong' lah, but have to start from basic again - start changing water for all the members lol!

[Samuel Phan]

So now a though case for all ...

I had a yellow female (died) which was so full of eggs and have difficulty swimming which makes her vulnerable to the male's advancement. The male being fierce and fiery beat the life out of the female and bitten a hole out of the female and eggs were dropping off the side of the belly from the hole.

My question is whether there is any cure for such injury?

PS: She was still swimming around and look pretty ok for a day before she probably succumb to the pain on the second.

[Kelvin Tan]

Well Sam, you shouldnt look for a cure, you should look at yr spawning method. I never let spawning pair fight at all, should male start to attack the male or vice versa, stop the spawn. There is no rule that says male and female must fight before they spawn right? So stop the spawn since they not ready and try again few hours later or the next day. best spawning time is 10am - 2pm.

Anyway i dun think there is any cure...sorry. to drastic injury. shouldnt have happened.

[kennho]

Yup, no cure. Once the fresh are torn apart, chances that the fish will die within short period of time.

[Chris Yew]

Hi Sam,

Don't get so worry lah! Our new 'Betta Ren Ci Hospital' still not yet start. Use the normal new thread for your question and don't test our sinseh yet lah.

Once it's set up, we have the following;
1. 2 Doctors to perform surgery on your bettas - Dr.Hsu and Dr.Kenny
2. 1 Sinseh who is well versed in all Chinese herbs (aquatic plant) to cure your bettas - Kenneth Ho
3. 1 Betta Saver who is well versed in all OTC fish medication to cure your westernised bettas - Kelvin Tan
4. 1 Fung Shui master who can cured those bettas that can't breed or correct placing of your bettas in your house - Foo Hong




quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

So now a though case for all ...

I had a yellow female (died) which was so full of eggs and have difficulty swimming which makes her vulnerable to the male's advancement. The male being fierce and fiery beat the life out of the female and bitten a hole out of the female and eggs were dropping off the side of the belly from the hole.

My question is whether there is any cure for such injury?

PS: She was still swimming around and look pretty ok for a day before she probably succumb to the pain on the second.

[Myron Tay]

Wah. So serious. If you are successful Sam, you can coin your new line "piranha splendens". [ek2]

[Foo Hong]

just keep water clean and dose strongly with YP. yep strongly.....after all u already got 4 cards so 'pok' for '5 dragon' lah. dont feed, keep clean. If the wound closes, u have a chance.

[Chris Yew]

Any suggestion on what to call the New forum - currently Disease and Medication which is to be headed by the new BettaMedical Team?
- Ask The Doc?
...

[Kenny Poh]

quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

So now a though case for all ...

I had a yellow female (died) which was so full of eggs and have difficulty swimming which makes her vulnerable to the male's advancement. The male being fierce and fiery beat the life out of the female and bitten a hole out of the female and eggs were dropping off the side of the belly from the hole.

My question is whether there is any cure for such injury?

PS: She was still swimming around and look pretty ok for a day before she probably succumb to the pain on the second.



Hi Sam,

Such deep injury has very bad prognosis, where the visceral is being exposed due to trauma. She died probably due to a secondary infection that took place thereafter.

The best you can do, as Foo Hong has suggested, is to medicate the water column and hope for the best really.

The ideal thing to do is to stich her wound up and give intravenous antibiotic. But being such a small size, it is near impossible.

For such a surgery, maybe Li Chieh can patent a technique to it?:D

Wah, Sam, trying to warm everybody up with such a tough question is it?:D

Cheers,

Kenny

[Dr Hsu]

quote:Originally posted by Kenny Poh
[The ideal thing to do is to stich her wound up and give intravenous antibiotic. But being such a small size, it is near impossible.



Not impossible but certainly difficult. Have given IM before and stitching shouldn't be much or a problem - not too different from dwarf hamsters....

Had a female with the same problem before. Thought she was a goner but suprise, suprise, she healed! Was going to breed her again but she died of other causes - neglect!:(

Just keep the water clean, add some antibiotics till it heals - yellow powder should be fine, perhaps ketapang as well.

[Kenny Poh]

quote:
Not impossible but certainly difficult. Have given IM before and stitching shouldn't be much or a problem - not too different from dwarf hamsters....

Had a female with the same problem before. Thought she was a goner but suprise, suprise, she healed! Was going to breed her again but she died of other causes - neglect!:(

Just keep the water clean, add some antibiotics till it heals - yellow powder should be fine, perhaps ketapang as well.


Yeah, I guess IM would be better, since it is hard to do IV on a small fish like a betta. Abt stitching, what kinda suture would you recommend using?

Yes, the yellow powder is by far the best of its kind around! My cambodian female twice succumb to the bacterial infection that cause an excessive slime production all over her. She was already keeling over when I took her out of the breeding tank and treated her with those yellow powder. 2 out of 2 times, she was healed within 8-12 hrs! She has gone on to spawn thereafter.

Anyone knows the content of the yellow powder? Tetracycline, nifurpurinol???

Cheers,

Kenny

[Kenny Poh]

quote:
Not impossible but certainly difficult. Have given IM before and stitching shouldn't be much or a problem - not too different from dwarf hamsters....

Had a female with the same problem before. Thought she was a goner but suprise, suprise, she healed! Was going to breed her again but she died of other causes - neglect!:(

Just keep the water clean, add some antibiotics till it heals - yellow powder should be fine, perhaps ketapang as well.


Yeah, I guess IM would be better, since it is hard to do IV on a small fish like a betta. Abt stitching, what kinda suture would you recommend using?

Yes, the yellow powder is by far the best of its kind around! My cambodian female twice succumb to the bacterial infection that cause an excessive slime production all over her. She was already keeling over when I took her out of the breeding tank and treated her with those yellow powder. 2 out of 2 times, she was healed within 8-12 hrs! She has gone on to spawn thereafter.

Anyone knows the content of the yellow powder? Tetracycline, nifurpurinol???

Cheers,

Kenny

[kennho]

I dun think is tetracycline or nifurpurinol. Both dosage cannot exceed a certain amount as compare to the yellow powder as in powder form. I would rather think that it's Nitrofuran.

[Foo Hong]

These days they have added 'stuff' into the yellow powders - think to make it more profitable by hvg less content. Salt seems to be added to those supplied to/sold by Lam Hong. Can someone provide contact to the wholesaler?

Kenny, anyway to do a lab test on the contents to determine the composition of the YP?

[Kenny Poh]

quote:Originally posted by kennho

I dun think is tetracycline or nifurpurinol. Both dosage cannot exceed a certain amount as compare to the yellow powder as in powder form. I would rather think that it's Nitrofuran.


Hi Kenneth,

Yeah, don't think it is tetracycline, as this antibiotic has been overused and abused in the farms in SEA, that there's many resistant strains of bacteria that had developed.

Foo Hong,

Hmm.....let me see if I've got lobang for some pharmaceutical analysis of this YP.

I'm using the packet one with Jap wordings on it. What's the one from Lam Hong like?

Cheers,

Kenny

[kennho]

According to a pharmaceutical site, it's nitrofuran and salt. Too bad, no chance to take a look at the actual chemical compound.

As for Nifurourinol, it's a common medication known as BeFuran. Light yellow fine powder, soluble in water but will not turn water yellow. Will turn very very light yellowish and cloud water within 8 hours. Tends to clear up about 30~40 hours. A common medication used by Goldfish and Koi hobbyists.

[Samuel Phan]

Hehehehe ... see ... test water and the response is over-whelming ... :)

What can I say? ... WOW!!! I am sure we have a very formidable team of Doctors/Sinseh/Saver.Feng Shui master here to cater to all kinds of questions.

I take my hats off you guys ...
And thanks for all the advices.

More questions in the pipe-line ... but first ... lets decide on the name for the team.
Sorry to disrupt this thread ...

[Dr Hsu]

quote:Originally posted by Kenny Poh
Hmm.....let me see if I've got lobang for some pharmaceutical analysis of this YP.

Should be no problem to analyse - just need a lab with HPLC; VPHL can probably do it as they analysis meats etc for residue. However, likely to cost upwards of a couple of hundred!

Kenny: generally I think about 6-0 monofilament like nylon or possibly PDS or monocryl should be OK to stitch.

[Foo Hong]

Wah all these medical terms n jargon ...so chim. Can we talk Feng Shui.

Aaaa...dont say dont believe ah! In this world there is such a thg as Luck. and why are some people luckier than others? Feng Shui loh.....u guys overlook the ying n yang. Since I practiced feng Shui on my bettas, they have been spawning as instructed! kekekeke

[Kenny Poh]

*Kenneth*

Nifurpurinol is one of the nitrofuran group of drugs, so YP may contain nifurpurinol after all.

*Li Chieh*

Wow, 6 -0! The finest I've ever used for oral surgical wound is only 3-0 in size, now that must be something. Hmm.....should I practice cutting up a betta and then stitching it back.....? Ok lah, before getting wacked by you all for this, it is just a joke lah!

*Foo Hong*

Maybe you can tell us more abt this placement of betta tanks in the house? Or can I just name my spawning pair of bettas Ying and Yang, and this will ensure me a huge and successful spawn?

Cheers,

Kenny

[Foo Hong]

The lucky number is '3' remember. Hmmm 3 days before you spawn the pair, you feed the male/female 3 bloodworms each, 3 times a day. Change water every 3 days. 3 hours before putting in the spawning tank, give the last feed of 3 bloodworms. The spawning thank shld have 3 inches of water and 3 floating leaves for bubblenest building. By 3pm next day, spawning is over n in 3 days time the fries will free swim. 3 months later they can be jarred. :D

[kennho]

Lucky FH din't say best date to spawn is 3rd of March 03 this year at 03:03.03am. faint **

[Kenny Poh]

Oh no,

I've got 36 frys from this recent spawn due to a stupid mistake, if not it might be 333 frys yah?

Ok Foo Hong, do I need to remove 3 frys from the tank then to make it 33?

Cheers,

Kenny

[Foo Hong]

By all means. Just remember breeding only requires 2 fish, not a threesome.

[Dr Hsu]

quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

The lucky number is '3' remember. Hmmm 3 days before you spawn the pair, you feed the male/female 3 bloodworms each, 3 times a day. Change water every 3 days. 3 hours before putting in the spawning tank, give the last feed of 3 bloodworms. The spawning thank shld have 3 inches of water and 3 floating leaves for bubblenest building. By 3pm next day, spawning is over n in 3 days time the fries will free swim. 3 months later they can be jarred. :D


Must we also spawn 3 pairs?:D

[Samuel Phan]

With all the 3s ... hopefully you dun get betta with 3 ventrals ... although a triple-tail betta would be interesting.

[Myron Tay]

A three-eyed betta? Tremble...

[Myron Tay]

A three-eyed betta? Tremble...

[gary goh]

suddenly my half moon has not been moving and is staying at the bottom of the tank,it also stopped eating and flaring but i only made it flare with a betta bout two times its size and since then it stopped being active,i dun feed it live food.may i know why is it like that?

[Foo Hong]

more info is needed to determine what went wrong. generally, something is wrong with the water and yr fish is probably sick now.

quote:Originally posted by gary goh

suddenly my half moon has not been moving and is staying at the bottom of the tank,it also stopped eating and flaring but i only made it flare with a betta bout two times its size and since then it stopped being active,i dun feed it live food.may i know why is it like that?

[Kelvin Tan]

most likely that HM is a thai fish. i have experience with it. try adding ketapang leaves, salt, ocean free herbal anti fungus and yellow powder.

hey ken, can you get a bottle of the koi med for me if you chance by it. i use it for a number of cases but cannot recommend it here cos no one else has it!

btw my goldfish suddenly got a big gap in its stomach overnight, only other goldfish same size in it....still living despite its intesting etc etc seen...should die by tmr, already isolatd.

[kennho]

Kelvin, which koi medication ?

Can take a photo of the goldfish ? I would like to share with my group. Rare opportunity for us to do a case study. Should not happen like that, unless there is bacteria eating fast from inside out. Goodness, intestine coming out .... do I have a feeling you are watching the Invasion of Normandy.

Herbal Anti-fungus ? kekekekeke .... use any simple anti-fungus with ketapang leave lah. But anyway, Gary problem likely a simple bacteria attack. But do tell us more of what are the symptoms.

[Kelvin Tan]

think it die already and thrown away. its just like being taken a whole mouthful by a big luohan lo....so inside can see the red red flesh but should be intestine la.

the flurescent green yellow med from koi farm

[Kelvin Tan]

think it die already and thrown away. its just like being taken a whole mouthful by a big luohan lo....so inside can see the red red flesh but should be intestine la.

the flurescent green yellow med from koi farm

[kennho]

Kelvin, that's pure malachite green ! erh ... I don't think I can get for you leh.

[kennho]

Kelvin, that's pure malachite green ! erh ... I don't think I can get for you leh.

[Kelvin Tan]

no no malachite green is bluish looking in color but turns green when added to water right?

maybe i should take some pics show you la. or i bring to the road show! but must remember cos bringing a lot of things

[Kelvin Tan]

no no malachite green is bluish looking in color but turns green when added to water right?

maybe i should take some pics show you la. or i bring to the road show! but must remember cos bringing a lot of things

[Kenny Poh]

Hi Gary,

Maybe it is good to systematically tell us what you think is wrong with the fish. Ok, let me help you out:

1. Besides listlessness and inactive, did you see any other external signs and symptoms?
2. Look at the body and fins, do you see any white spots or gold dusts on them?
3. Look at the scales, are they raised?
4. Look at the abdomen, does it look bloated to you, despite having eaten nothing for the past few hours?
5.Has it lost its appetite?
6. What is the dimension and volume of its tank and its containers? Any filtration?
7. What is its waterchange regime like? When was the last water change done? Do you do full or partial waterchange?

What you've experienced with your HM is what many of us have experienced with our bettas all along. The common problem is usually deteriorating water quality that leads to a pathogenic infection of some sort.

we usually keep our bettas in small conatiners without proper filtration. Heavy feeding with irregular water change usually potentiates such a problem. Since most of us do 100% water change most of the time, there's really not much of bioloigical filtration to talk about, and this can be a real problem if water change is not prompt, that results in a ammonia spike, which can either kill the fish directly or weaken the fish, propagating bacteria and decreasing the betta's immunity to such pathogens.

In your case, I'd think that bacteria should be the chief suspect, but I guess you'd never know unless a full histological assessment is being carried out. However, what I've found to be relatively effective, is the use of the yellow powder, which is a chemotherpeutic drug belonging to the nitrofuran group of drugs. Of course, the prognosis really depends on the virulence and the time of medication rendered.

Good luck !

Cheers,

Kenny

[Kenny Poh]

Hi Gary,

Maybe it is good to systematically tell us what you think is wrong with the fish. Ok, let me help you out:

1. Besides listlessness and inactive, did you see any other external signs and symptoms?
2. Look at the body and fins, do you see any white spots or gold dusts on them?
3. Look at the scales, are they raised?
4. Look at the abdomen, does it look bloated to you, despite having eaten nothing for the past few hours?
5.Has it lost its appetite?
6. What is the dimension and volume of its tank and its containers? Any filtration?
7. What is its waterchange regime like? When was the last water change done? Do you do full or partial waterchange?

What you've experienced with your HM is what many of us have experienced with our bettas all along. The common problem is usually deteriorating water quality that leads to a pathogenic infection of some sort.

we usually keep our bettas in small conatiners without proper filtration. Heavy feeding with irregular water change usually potentiates such a problem. Since most of us do 100% water change most of the time, there's really not much of bioloigical filtration to talk about, and this can be a real problem if water change is not prompt, that results in a ammonia spike, which can either kill the fish directly or weaken the fish, propagating bacteria and decreasing the betta's immunity to such pathogens.

In your case, I'd think that bacteria should be the chief suspect, but I guess you'd never know unless a full histological assessment is being carried out. However, what I've found to be relatively effective, is the use of the yellow powder, which is a chemotherpeutic drug belonging to the nitrofuran group of drugs. Of course, the prognosis really depends on the virulence and the time of medication rendered.

Good luck !

Cheers,

Kenny

[kennho]

ok, you show me the medication and I see what it could be. Anyway, malachite green chloride is GREEN in color lah. Methylene blue salt crystal is light blue in color.

There is a new chemical floating around lfs is the Arowana Gold. Priced at 36-40 bucks for a 100gram. Yet to confirm the content but Acriflavine is a sure substance in it.

[kennho]

ok, you show me the medication and I see what it could be. Anyway, malachite green chloride is GREEN in color lah. Methylene blue salt crystal is light blue in color.

There is a new chemical floating around lfs is the Arowana Gold. Priced at 36-40 bucks for a 100gram. Yet to confirm the content but Acriflavine is a sure substance in it.

[gary goh]

the colour of my fish is growing lighter and he is still not eating anything,there is nothing wrong with anything else and i do a 4day water change,his tank is 20cm by 20cm.thx for helping me.

[gary goh]

the colour of my fish is growing lighter and he is still not eating anything,there is nothing wrong with anything else and i do a 4day water change,his tank is 20cm by 20cm.thx for helping me.

[gary goh]

oh yar and when i walk past it,it dashes around very fast and slants to the bottom of the tank again

[gary goh]

oh yar and when i walk past it,it dashes around very fast and slants to the bottom of the tank again

[Kelvin Tan]

try a yellow powder/ salt/ ketapang leave/ anti internal bacteria cocktail.

[Kelvin Tan]

try a yellow powder/ salt/ ketapang leave/ anti internal bacteria cocktail.

[kennho]

Yo doctors, you think is a water poisoning problem and a bacteria ?

Gary, dissolve salt 1 teaspoon flat per 2L of water, dechlorinated. Yellow powder 0.2 gram per L. Your fish is pretty sick hor. Temporary work on that first and do observe your fish very closely for any sign of infection around the body. Do not feed the fish for these few days.

This fish a recent purchase ?

[kennho]

Yo doctors, you think is a water poisoning problem and a bacteria ?

Gary, dissolve salt 1 teaspoon flat per 2L of water, dechlorinated. Yellow powder 0.2 gram per L. Your fish is pretty sick hor. Temporary work on that first and do observe your fish very closely for any sign of infection around the body. Do not feed the fish for these few days.

This fish a recent purchase ?

[Kenny Poh]

Hi Kenneth,

I'd think it is more of a bacterial infection. And yes, the fish looks pretty sick. Your advise is sound!

Kevin, try not to put in so many types of medication at one go lah, as most of these medication are chemotherapeutics, which means that they can be toxic to both the bacteria and the fish in different concentration. We do not know for sure the active ingredient in most of the medication available.

Cheers,

Kenny

[Kenny Poh]

Hi Kenneth,

I'd think it is more of a bacterial infection. And yes, the fish looks pretty sick. Your advise is sound!

Kevin, try not to put in so many types of medication at one go lah, as most of these medication are chemotherapeutics, which means that they can be toxic to both the bacteria and the fish in different concentration. We do not know for sure the active ingredient in most of the medication available.

Cheers,

Kenny

[Kelvin Tan]

quote:
Kelvin said:
ya i agree, but now i have tendency to use two-med treatment such that if one doesnt work, the other is used as a backup. so far no problem, unless fish is damn sick.

i have come across similar case and heard similar ones too, usually thai fish bought from fish shop, sick the very next day (velvet, white spot) or after a while. think they find it hard to adjust to hdb water. the HM after a while usually clamp fin, tail droop, finrot etc etc, can be treated. but usually the fish end up weak too.



Hi Kelvin,

Yes, indeed I've the same experience with my first pair after i come back into this hobby.

The male suffered from velvet, while the female was covered with slime and was lying on her side on the water surface.

Thank God, they were discovered early and was promptly, with Interpet 7 and yellow powder respectively, and recovered to give me my current 2 spawns.:D

Cheers,

Kenny

[Kelvin Tan]

quote:
Kelvin said:
ya i agree, but now i have tendency to use two-med treatment such that if one doesnt work, the other is used as a backup. so far no problem, unless fish is damn sick.

i have come across similar case and heard similar ones too, usually thai fish bought from fish shop, sick the very next day (velvet, white spot) or after a while. think they find it hard to adjust to hdb water. the HM after a while usually clamp fin, tail droop, finrot etc etc, can be treated. but usually the fish end up weak too.



Hi Kelvin,

Yes, indeed I've the same experience with my first pair after i come back into this hobby.

The male suffered from velvet, while the female was covered with slime and was lying on her side on the water surface.

Thank God, they were discovered early and was promptly, with Interpet 7 and yellow powder respectively, and recovered to give me my current 2 spawns.:D

Cheers,

Kenny

[kennho]

hahahaha ... kelvin, I noticed the change as well after another shopping round at lfs. I can't recall where I smell it before but sure very familar. There is a way of doing herbal extract using alcohol. But seldom got people using this method liao. Weird that Ocean Free going backward technology.


Kenny, I wanted to write the worst scenario for the case, because of the lost of appetite prompt me to something more serious.

[kennho]

hahahaha ... kelvin, I noticed the change as well after another shopping round at lfs. I can't recall where I smell it before but sure very familar. There is a way of doing herbal extract using alcohol. But seldom got people using this method liao. Weird that Ocean Free going backward technology.


Kenny, I wanted to write the worst scenario for the case, because of the lost of appetite prompt me to something more serious.

[Kenny Poh]

Kenneth,

haha, but TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) is quite big with the academics in NUS! Guess there's more to herbs than us Western Drs know of yah?

Cheers,

Kenny

[Kenny Poh]

Kenneth,

haha, but TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) is quite big with the academics in NUS! Guess there's more to herbs than us Western Drs know of yah?

Cheers,

Kenny

[kennho]

Actually I have been scanning a lot of those so-called Stress-Coat and Slime-Coat and whatever coat used by foreign conditioners. Simply, came out with 3 different types of extract - Aloe Vera, a type of tree root, and Mela-Tea Leaves (melafix type). I still remembered those old days where my grandma use alcohol to soak some funny hairy roots, later than know it was ginseng wine. Ichiban neh ! Better than my XO supreme.

Even till today, chinese herbs has been seen crossing international boundaries and landed in the western soils. I read that some chinese scientists actually made it big in these countries with their researches and came out with medications that revitalize and detoxified our body system ..... Definitely, I don't think they use the old charcoal clay pot boil 8 bowl to 1 bowl water method to extract those black bitter boey tahan concoction. 1ml of those magic extract mix with fish I also dunno what happen.

Dunno Chris got try chinese sinseh on his bottom or not ... tongkat ali dun work on that part Chris .... :)

[kennho]

Actually I have been scanning a lot of those so-called Stress-Coat and Slime-Coat and whatever coat used by foreign conditioners. Simply, came out with 3 different types of extract - Aloe Vera, a type of tree root, and Mela-Tea Leaves (melafix type). I still remembered those old days where my grandma use alcohol to soak some funny hairy roots, later than know it was ginseng wine. Ichiban neh ! Better than my XO supreme.

Even till today, chinese herbs has been seen crossing international boundaries and landed in the western soils. I read that some chinese scientists actually made it big in these countries with their researches and came out with medications that revitalize and detoxified our body system ..... Definitely, I don't think they use the old charcoal clay pot boil 8 bowl to 1 bowl water method to extract those black bitter boey tahan concoction. 1ml of those magic extract mix with fish I also dunno what happen.

Dunno Chris got try chinese sinseh on his bottom or not ... tongkat ali dun work on that part Chris .... :)

[Foo Hong]

I think Chris should have a daily dose of ketapang tea to cleanse his system, and apply yellow powder to 'that part'.

As for gary's problem, some of the suggestions can be tried. And you shld try now rather than wait and see, cos by the time you decide to do anything it could be too late. I am no doctor/dentist. the 2 biggest problem is parasitic and bacterial infection. I would suggest you give that fella a strong salt bath to kill off the parasites, followed by some bacteriacide for a few days to kill the bacteria.

[Foo Hong]

I think Chris should have a daily dose of ketapang tea to cleanse his system, and apply yellow powder to 'that part'.

As for gary's problem, some of the suggestions can be tried. And you shld try now rather than wait and see, cos by the time you decide to do anything it could be too late. I am no doctor/dentist. the 2 biggest problem is parasitic and bacterial infection. I would suggest you give that fella a strong salt bath to kill off the parasites, followed by some bacteriacide for a few days to kill the bacteria.

[Kelvin Tan]

hey kenny,
you suffer frmo the same problem as me, clicking on edit and edited my post hahah. cos MY post yr name sign off and underneath it, betta saver! hahah.

anyway i would at least expect ocean free to get rid off the alcohol first at least. do you think if i leave it open, would the alcohol evapourate off enough?

how would alcohol affect betta? make them drink?

[Kelvin Tan]

hey kenny,
you suffer frmo the same problem as me, clicking on edit and edited my post hahah. cos MY post yr name sign off and underneath it, betta saver! hahah.

anyway i would at least expect ocean free to get rid off the alcohol first at least. do you think if i leave it open, would the alcohol evapourate off enough?

how would alcohol affect betta? make them drink?

[gary goh]

erm wat is that yellow poweder called?

[gary goh]

erm wat is that yellow poweder called?

[kennho]

quote:Originally posted by gary goh

erm wat is that yellow poweder called?


NOW YOU SHOCK ME !!![cnf]

Go to any lfs, ask for japanese yellow powder. A silvery pack 5gram about 3 bucks or so.

[kennho]

quote:Originally posted by gary goh

erm wat is that yellow poweder called?


NOW YOU SHOCK ME !!![cnf]

Go to any lfs, ask for japanese yellow powder. A silvery pack 5gram about 3 bucks or so.

[gary goh]

ok thx found it

[gary goh]

ok thx found it

[Ong Ginyew]

what!! tats x penisve...i got mine at half tat price.

[Ong Ginyew]

what!! tats x penisve...i got mine at half tat price.

[kennho]

Sure or not Ginyew ? Or am I outdated again. Long time din buy this type of medication, lost track liao.

[kennho]

Sure or not Ginyew ? Or am I outdated again. Long time din buy this type of medication, lost track liao.

[gary goh]

hi,i wanna ask,one of my friends bettas is not really active,it sometimes stay at the top or the bottom not moving but it eats and swims normally,is this normal behaviour or a disease?thx for helping.

[Dr Hsu]

Sorry, no answers....yet...but more questions:

Does it flare at males/females?
Is it thin, although eating?
Does it have any other unusual behaviours?
Any lesions (wounds, defects, etc) on the body/fins?
Water conditions?

Need more info before we can try to figure out how to help.

[gary goh]

erm its fins slant sideways when it is not moving and it stills flares but not alot but i can observe tiny white spots floating in the water

[kennho]

tiny white little creatures floating in the water and under a magnifying glass see the walls of the container, you will notice a 5-7 spike pattern everywhere. Those are the eggs of these little rascals. If you shine a strong light at the container top, these creatures tends to form up and making the fish feel uneasy. Also the fish is not eating these creatures at all, probably hiding from them.

Your friend feel live worms or daphnia ? And how often the aging water containers are washed thoroughly ?????

Doctor, from my description, you know what is it liao ... kekekeke...

[Isaac]

Hey bettamedic team!! I've got a question!!! U guys prob won't know me la, me newbie from arofanatic one. :) Anyway i have a question!

U see normally when HM or SD or any kind of long tail betta recover from the illness, there w\fin will no longer be the same!! Hm will turn into delta......etc!

so i am wondering will those recovered betta still wanna spawn? Is it adviasable to spawn them? Also since they r no longer HM will the illness alter the genes? For example u have a really strong line of HM that will constanly throw u a 10 - 20% HM, will it still throw u the same percentage since it is no longer a HM?

I hope u guys can bring some light for me on this matter!! cos damn sad that my best HMs all kenna some illness but may be recovering..... but still may give up on me anytime. like going to be dropsy but haven't and showing a little improvement liao after i tries some of the medication u give gave!! Thanks for it!! Haven't spawn them yet and me quite poor and spend almost all my money on thinking it would b a good investment..... then kenna...... haiz......... :( so sad and dissapointed and no mood and sian and................... sob sob!

[kennho]

Issac, do you change your blood type after a fever ?

One thing for sure, if you want to keep quality fish, learn the quality ways of keeping. Next time, try keeping a not so ex fish to learn the hows, then move on to the better ones.

So anyway, tell us what happen to your fish and all the what you have done before and after. Then let see if there is any feng shui problems or some "qi" problems ...

[Foo Hong]

Isaac, feng shui says......the 'chi' of yr fish has not changed altho the 5 elements of gold, wood, water, fire and earth have been temoporarily disturbed. Once the elements have restabilised, yr fish is ready for breeding. And yr fish will pass on the 'chi' to its offsprings.

[Isaac]

hahahha!! Aiya curious man!! actually i got read from some genetic artical (not on fish on) that a long of inbreeding will lock the traits however it will be prone to desiease as it didn't evole. So maybe at that point of time the fish is quite resistance to that virus, but the virus has evole, then the fish will not have the resistance to the virus as the fish has not evole. Some like new improved technology cannot compete with modified one. So i thought maybe kenna some virus it will sort of evole what!! WAHHAHAHAHHAHA!!!! Me think simple what!! so dun luff la! MY first posting here u lauff at me! :( (like using the same water my over chup chiang betta nv kenna) :)

Anyway i do have a good habit of keeping fish la, always change all my water the way Kelvin taught in Arofan. Also Chris Yew "everything 3" method. Maybe it is due to that water that i left in the kithen that might have contaiminated the water thus the virus attack. Then spotted the fish got problem on time what. My hosue HDB so very little space. Where do u guys put ur aged water pail in? maybe can tell me :) Aiya u all also always say go for good fish with good line then save u a lot of effort and time, this and that, so i listen to all ur advise what.

Actually i have layed the Wu Dang Pa Qua Zheng in the bettas. So i must have layed it wrongly into Shaolin Si Pa............ Bronze Monk dunno the hanyi ping yin for that one la!!! Me kantang!!! whahahahah!! Need to consult Zhang San Fong (or foo hong, hahahha!) on the correct Yin and Yang! wahahahhha!!! Or maybe they say fish die is actually to help u advert disaster so maybe i layed correct. whahahahha!!

quote:Originally posted by kennho

Issac, do you change your blood type after a fever ?

One thing for sure, if you want to keep quality fish, learn the quality ways of keeping. Next time, try keeping a not so ex fish to learn the hows, then move on to the better ones.

So anyway, tell us what happen to your fish and all the what you have done before and after. Then let see if there is any feng shui problems or some "qi" problems ...

[Isaac]

quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

Isaac, feng shui says......the 'chi' of yr fish has not changed altho the 5 elements of gold, wood, water, fire and earth have been temoporarily disturbed. Once the elements have restabilised, yr fish is ready for breeding. And yr fish will pass on the 'chi' to its offsprings.


Ic! Like how Zhang San Fong said! "When u push the floating ball into the water, the ball will repell after u let go"!! So after the fish recover, it will bouce back and tranfer the qi to the offspring!! wahahhaha!! I have been enlightened! :) Thank u sifu!! [pf]

[Foo Hong]

Like I ve said on a separate thread, I never age my water...too lazy. u want to know more abt ageing water, ask Derrick.....he has enuf aged water at home at anytime to sustain his whole neighbourhood.:D

[kennho]

Kitchen is fire ... too much Fire liao, and fish in Water. Xiang ke xiang chong. Add ketapang leave, Wood, make fire more fierce. So best to reduce the Fire, change location, or improve the Earth ( you lah ), to take good care of the fish liao.

Wah ..... this medical team too high end.

[Dr Hsu]

We're Asian, what....so need to use TCM:D

[Isaac]

hhahaha!!! good one good one!! Now got a new method and technique to follow!! The new "Yin n Yang for bettas"!

Hey is there a fifth element, "the saviour"!? The one that will save all the bettas? How about....... "always keep a first aid box for bettas (Anti white spot, anti swimbadder, anti slime/velvet, yellow powder, ketapang, m blue..... what else har?" "! hee hee!

quote:Originally posted by kennho

Kitchen is fire ... too much Fire liao, and fish in Water. Xiang ke xiang chong. Add ketapang leave, Wood, make fire more fierce. So best to reduce the Fire, change location, or improve the Earth ( you lah ), to take good care of the fish liao.

Wah ..... this medical team too high end.

[kennho]

quote:Originally posted by Isaac

hhahaha!!! good one good one!! Now got a new method and technique to follow!! The new "Yin n Yang for bettas"!

Hey is there a fifth element, "the saviour"!? The one that will save all the bettas? How about....... "always keep a first aid box for bettas (Anti white spot, anti swimbadder, anti slime/velvet, yellow powder, ketapang, m blue..... what else har?" "! hee hee!



The "saviour" ??? That' Gold lor, 18K coated one is Kelvin Tan .. he is the saver. The other 99.99999 pure gold is your pocket.

First aid box har ... last time got one solid box of commercial display set now bo liao. Other than 5kg of salt, methylene blue, malachite green, dimilin, fungicide, KMnO4, H2O2 and a few types of nitrofuran derivatives, that's all I got for all the fishes I keep.

[gary goh]

the fish when moving wriggles its tail abit like shaking making it different fromthe other fishes that swims smoothly,but it stills flares but is not very active as it stays on the surface or on the bottom without moving,at the bottom its fins slant to one side,wat disease is this?

[Isaac]

quote:Originally posted by kennho
The "saviour" ??? That' Gold lor, 18K coated one is Kelvin Tan .. he is the saver. The other 99.99999 pure gold is your pocket.

First aid box har ... last time got one solid box of commercial display set now bo liao. Other than 5kg of salt, methylene blue, malachite green, dimilin, fungicide, KMnO4, H2O2 and a few types of nitrofuran derivatives, that's all I got for all the fishes I keep.


Hey where can i get melachite green? I can't seem to find it around the north area. Also care to tell me what is KMn04? What is the prupose?

Thanks:D

[kennho]

malachite green only for farm use. not for home use. so dun think about it.
KMnO4 is potassium permaganate. Easily found in any pharmacies. Search the web for the purpose.
dosage for these 2 is extremely small and need to be very careful.

[Kelvin Tan]

ken i am a few days from my dropsy cure. if she recover it would be 3/3 cases. once i really do it then i would announce in arofanatics. really keeping my fingers crossed all over....

[kennho]

Really !!! Great to know that. The last time I treated a dropsy case was simple medication. Let see what you can come out with ... announce here lah. kokz. I don't usually read the betta forum over there.

[Ong Ginyew]

yeah...me 2... cm'on tell us

[Kelvin Tan]

ken
yesterday night saw her, recover no more popping scales, will track if she is eating tonight and treat for a week more. heard mum says got eat a worm or two usually. no matter what it has full blown dropsy for 1 week not eating and in the 2nd week slowly popping scales subsided, its still an achievement.

will announce it when done.... but where i think would announce at arofanatics where more ppl would benefit.
interested can also pm me here i will tell you.

[kennho]

Kelvin, dropsy will have happen again to the fish. If you want to, perform a 4 days heat treatment 29C. Feed only frozen blood worms and no live food for a while. Need to rebuild it's immune system again.

[Ong Ginyew]

y will it happen again?