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Chris Yew
16th January 2003, 08:43 PM
Tancho Chiffon;
These are variations of the Chiffon Line (MG gene). They are not siblings of my Lemon Yellow Chiffon and are of different spawn from that (different mother).

1. Close up view of the Tancho Head (like those of goldfish). The red 'pigment' will start to grow bigger slowly as days past by.
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/photoalbum/Chris%20Yew/Tancho%20Head%20Pic%201.jpg

2. The top view of the Tancho Head (hope it will look like koi).
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/photoalbum/Chris%20Yew/Tancho%20Head%20Pic%202.jpg

3. The side view of my Tancho Chiffon 1. In fact the whole spawn - about 85% are Tancho Chiffon and the red head are growing slowly. Probably it's the marbling effect of the MG genes.
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/photoalbum/Chris%20Yew/F1%20Tancho%20Chiffon%201.jpg

4. Another Tancho Chiffon - Tancho Chiffon 2. Need to improve very much on their finnage.
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/photoalbum/Chris%20Yew/F1%20Tancho%20Chiffon%202.jpg

5. See it's Red Lips!
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/photoalbum/Chris%20Yew/Tancho%20Red%20Lips.jpg

They are juz 2 mths old.:)

Sebas
16th January 2003, 10:41 PM
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Sebas
16th January 2003, 10:41 PM
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Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 09:01 AM
Haha, Sebas - it's probably due to the same gene of the parents fish. Mine is the outcross of the MG line, what about yours?

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Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 09:01 AM
Haha, Sebas - it's probably due to the same gene of the parents fish. Mine is the outcross of the MG line, what about yours?

quote:Originally posted by Sebas



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Kelvin Tan
17th January 2003, 09:03 AM
yo chris...i though usually cambo has such pattern.....me got many from orange x cambo spawn.... can give you free... no use for him
huge finnage fish....you wanna cross? also unique butterfly pattern...a few pieces all identical.....
http://www2.arofanatics.com/members/zhiz22/newbetta/

Kelvin Tan
17th January 2003, 09:03 AM
yo chris...i though usually cambo has such pattern.....me got many from orange x cambo spawn.... can give you free... no use for him
huge finnage fish....you wanna cross? also unique butterfly pattern...a few pieces all identical.....
http://www2.arofanatics.com/members/zhiz22/newbetta/

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 09:12 AM
Cambodian Red and mine are 2 different genetic makeup lah. I don't think Combodian has got marbling effect right? Mine is developed from MG gene, so there will be some marbling effect, and how strong is it will depend on the parent's fish. Juz like there are many ways to achieve yellow solid color but not are the yellow color gene are the same.

Juz my thoughts

quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

yo chris...i though usually cambo has such pattern.....me got many from orange x cambo spawn.... can give you free... no use for him
huge finnage fish....you wanna cross? also unique butterfly pattern...a few pieces all identical.....
http://www2.arofanatics.com/members/zhiz22/newbetta/

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 09:12 AM
Cambodian Red and mine are 2 different genetic makeup lah. I don't think Combodian has got marbling effect right? Mine is developed from MG gene, so there will be some marbling effect, and how strong is it will depend on the parent's fish. Juz like there are many ways to achieve yellow solid color but not are the yellow color gene are the same.

Juz my thoughts

quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

yo chris...i though usually cambo has such pattern.....me got many from orange x cambo spawn.... can give you free... no use for him
huge finnage fish....you wanna cross? also unique butterfly pattern...a few pieces all identical.....
http://www2.arofanatics.com/members/zhiz22/newbetta/

kennho
17th January 2003, 09:43 AM
The use of Tancho seems not right leh. Tancho normally refer to a white body with a red crest or a red sun which represent the raising sun of Japan (the flag).

That's where Tancho hairstyle is common in Jap which the girls are fair body with bright red dyed hair. Singaporeans with these dyed hair called super ah beng, ah lian. :)

kennho
17th January 2003, 09:43 AM
The use of Tancho seems not right leh. Tancho normally refer to a white body with a red crest or a red sun which represent the raising sun of Japan (the flag).

That's where Tancho hairstyle is common in Jap which the girls are fair body with bright red dyed hair. Singaporeans with these dyed hair called super ah beng, ah lian. :)

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 09:57 AM
Ha, are you suggesting Ah Beng Chiffon? Hehe.

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 09:57 AM
Ha, are you suggesting Ah Beng Chiffon? Hehe.

kennho
17th January 2003, 10:56 AM
hahaha ... paisey paisey. But nice fish leh. On the first look hor, it's gave me the impression of a cambodian lah. Chrisiffon ?

kennho
17th January 2003, 10:56 AM
hahaha ... paisey paisey. But nice fish leh. On the first look hor, it's gave me the impression of a cambodian lah. Chrisiffon ?

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 11:07 AM
Thanks Kenneth. True, first it looks like Cambodian but later stage the red pigment on the head start to develop. So now I'm observing them closed daily.

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/photoalbum/Chris%20Yew/Tancho%20Head%20Pic%202.jpg
http://www.koiclay.com/images/tanchokohaku1.jpg
http://www.petsforum.com/aquageo/Posters/images/E15379.JPG

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 11:07 AM
Thanks Kenneth. True, first it looks like Cambodian but later stage the red pigment on the head start to develop. So now I'm observing them closed daily.

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/photoalbum/Chris%20Yew/Tancho%20Head%20Pic%202.jpg
http://www.koiclay.com/images/tanchokohaku1.jpg
http://www.petsforum.com/aquageo/Posters/images/E15379.JPG

Kelvin Tan
17th January 2003, 12:33 PM
in fact the siblings were butterfly and probably contain more marbling genes.... personally i think yr red head is common in most such color fishes....... seen many in WA...

Kelvin Tan
17th January 2003, 12:33 PM
in fact the siblings were butterfly and probably contain more marbling genes.... personally i think yr red head is common in most such color fishes....... seen many in WA...

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 02:52 PM
Hi Kelvin,

Here's your betta that you mentioned;
http://www2.arofanatics.com/members/zhiz22/newbetta/image03.jpg

and here's mine;
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/photoalbum/Chris%20Yew/F1%20Tancho%20Chiffon%201.jpg

1. Yours is achieved by crossing an Orange x Cambodian (guess it's Cambodian Red though other Cambodian color is available).

2. Mine is achieved by outcrossing a MG x Solid Color containing Orange gene.

3. Your photo is a variegated fin (Vf gene - dominant) and not a butterfly (butterfly is partial dominant) at all. Mine has not butterfly effect or variegated fins, thus that's the main difference.

4. Marble (mb)mutation appears to be a dominant gene with highly variable expression. Marble is actually a gene that weaken/limiting the colors
of fish. Some of the fish that have stronger coloring genes will not show any marbling at all. When Marble Bettas are spawned, the offspring are usually of several types including Cambodian, Blonde, Black, and Marble.

5. Cambodian gene (c) is also recessive to the normal Black gene.

6. Another thing about marble is that it will throw traits that varies between lines. Ie: piebald, buttterfly, reverse butterfly. If you can isolate a trait that you want and have a pair, you can breed them and get only that trait in subsequent generations.

Gilbert's oranges also has marble in their parental lines. Perhaps the marble gene limits the initial red from becoming more "redder". Once the oranges are bred, the offsprings will not show any other
marbling patterns. This help explained why it'll take several generations to get oranges back, once it got mixed with other colors.

:D
The above can be found in the Genetic Forum, compliments from Secteam. When we talked, we onli talked things that we knew. When we listened, we listened to things that we may not have know.

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 02:52 PM
Hi Kelvin,

Here's your betta that you mentioned;
http://www2.arofanatics.com/members/zhiz22/newbetta/image03.jpg

and here's mine;
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/photoalbum/Chris%20Yew/F1%20Tancho%20Chiffon%201.jpg

1. Yours is achieved by crossing an Orange x Cambodian (guess it's Cambodian Red though other Cambodian color is available).

2. Mine is achieved by outcrossing a MG x Solid Color containing Orange gene.

3. Your photo is a variegated fin (Vf gene - dominant) and not a butterfly (butterfly is partial dominant) at all. Mine has not butterfly effect or variegated fins, thus that's the main difference.

4. Marble (mb)mutation appears to be a dominant gene with highly variable expression. Marble is actually a gene that weaken/limiting the colors
of fish. Some of the fish that have stronger coloring genes will not show any marbling at all. When Marble Bettas are spawned, the offspring are usually of several types including Cambodian, Blonde, Black, and Marble.

5. Cambodian gene (c) is also recessive to the normal Black gene.

6. Another thing about marble is that it will throw traits that varies between lines. Ie: piebald, buttterfly, reverse butterfly. If you can isolate a trait that you want and have a pair, you can breed them and get only that trait in subsequent generations.

Gilbert's oranges also has marble in their parental lines. Perhaps the marble gene limits the initial red from becoming more "redder". Once the oranges are bred, the offsprings will not show any other
marbling patterns. This help explained why it'll take several generations to get oranges back, once it got mixed with other colors.

:D
The above can be found in the Genetic Forum, compliments from Secteam. When we talked, we onli talked things that we knew. When we listened, we listened to things that we may not have know.

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 03:02 PM
I'm not claiming to be the no.1 or first discoverer of this pattern. I'm juz pointing out that it's my new line. Sebas has already shown me his line which resembles or similar in pattern as mine ....... but in a much nicer matured manner though he's much younger in age.

It will be much more better if members can discuss more on the genetics of certain breed rather than telling ppl about .....

Juz my thoughts.

quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

in fact the siblings were butterfly and probably contain more marbling genes.... personally i think yr red head is common in most such color fishes....... seen many in WA...

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 03:02 PM
I'm not claiming to be the no.1 or first discoverer of this pattern. I'm juz pointing out that it's my new line. Sebas has already shown me his line which resembles or similar in pattern as mine ....... but in a much nicer matured manner though he's much younger in age.

It will be much more better if members can discuss more on the genetics of certain breed rather than telling ppl about .....

Juz my thoughts.

quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

in fact the siblings were butterfly and probably contain more marbling genes.... personally i think yr red head is common in most such color fishes....... seen many in WA...

Sebas
17th January 2003, 03:51 PM
Hi Chris,
She is from a YellowxExtRed spawn, thats wad my friend told me. Guess we will know whether its true or not in a couple of weeks time. :)

Sebas
17th January 2003, 03:51 PM
Hi Chris,
She is from a YellowxExtRed spawn, thats wad my friend told me. Guess we will know whether its true or not in a couple of weeks time. :)

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 03:57 PM
Hi Sebas,

Very close. Yellow may derived from ...... You know right.

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 03:57 PM
Hi Sebas,

Very close. Yellow may derived from ...... You know right.

Sebas
17th January 2003, 04:10 PM
You mean the word starting with O?
The photo posted was taken like a month or so ago, now the red pigments seem to be even more prominent. Shes my favourite, has her own tank, sleeps with me in my room, and has extra large serving of worms daily.

Sebas
17th January 2003, 04:10 PM
You mean the word starting with O?
The photo posted was taken like a month or so ago, now the red pigments seem to be even more prominent. Shes my favourite, has her own tank, sleeps with me in my room, and has extra large serving of worms daily.

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 04:19 PM
Aha ha, O my darling! Why not take a recent passport size photo again. BTW, how old is yours?

Chris Yew
17th January 2003, 04:19 PM
Aha ha, O my darling! Why not take a recent passport size photo again. BTW, how old is yours?

Sebas
17th January 2003, 04:21 PM
When i got the quartet, they are about 2.5months old, and its about 1month ago, so now should be near 4 months already. Will post another passport photo once i get the batteries for my camera.

Sebas
17th January 2003, 04:21 PM
When i got the quartet, they are about 2.5months old, and its about 1month ago, so now should be near 4 months already. Will post another passport photo once i get the batteries for my camera.

Tan Xiao YI
17th January 2003, 07:10 PM
my cambo dt n sd all like tt leh...gd or not gd ah ?all diff parent leh 1 is white x red 1 is red x red den all come out like tt sobz...
._."

Tan Xiao YI
17th January 2003, 07:10 PM
my cambo dt n sd all like tt leh...gd or not gd ah ?all diff parent leh 1 is white x red 1 is red x red den all come out like tt sobz...
._."

derrick kuah
17th January 2003, 10:16 PM
chris , finally ,somebody got the tancho like my plakat. i got mine by crossing mg xopaque.than from f1 (two with the orange head) .right up to f4 , i can only manage 30% with same traits.they are also marbled like your . white body with black ,steel blue patches all over. will post pics when ready(fries 10 weeks).one spawn st and the other dtx st(got some dt). thanks and regards Derrick++

derrick kuah
17th January 2003, 10:16 PM
chris , finally ,somebody got the tancho like my plakat. i got mine by crossing mg xopaque.than from f1 (two with the orange head) .right up to f4 , i can only manage 30% with same traits.they are also marbled like your . white body with black ,steel blue patches all over. will post pics when ready(fries 10 weeks).one spawn st and the other dtx st(got some dt). thanks and regards Derrick++

Kelvin Tan
18th January 2003, 01:03 AM
actually i think normal cambo are like that as well, even those $1 plakat.... cambo usually has such head....even had opaques with such red pattern on head from Hsu, but red loss, turn head white. its a common thing, nothing unique....in cambo spawn.

anyway mine wasnt really from a cambodian male, more like a orange-red male father....body is not beige cambo but lighter tone of red.

actually i added in variegated myself, it should be butterfly, cos orange carry very strong butterfly genes.

but i think gilbert's claim that orange once outcross take several generation is BULLSHIT. and many of us became afraid to outcross. I got pure lookin orange in F2. totally cannot distinguished from normal orange, but mine had all their backbone straighten out. its well know that yellow x orange works too, and orange actually throw back yellow after many generations or pure orange inbreeding.

Kelvin Tan
18th January 2003, 01:03 AM
actually i think normal cambo are like that as well, even those $1 plakat.... cambo usually has such head....even had opaques with such red pattern on head from Hsu, but red loss, turn head white. its a common thing, nothing unique....in cambo spawn.

anyway mine wasnt really from a cambodian male, more like a orange-red male father....body is not beige cambo but lighter tone of red.

actually i added in variegated myself, it should be butterfly, cos orange carry very strong butterfly genes.

but i think gilbert's claim that orange once outcross take several generation is BULLSHIT. and many of us became afraid to outcross. I got pure lookin orange in F2. totally cannot distinguished from normal orange, but mine had all their backbone straighten out. its well know that yellow x orange works too, and orange actually throw back yellow after many generations or pure orange inbreeding.

Sebas
18th January 2003, 02:19 AM
Kelvin, its not very true on orange having strong butterfly genes. I am not sure about genes that being responsible for butterflies, but most of my oranges have color developed almost fully on the fins after 4-5months of age. You can probably take a look if i can bring some to Jung's place sometime in the future. As for the yellows thrown out when doing orangexorange spawn, i guess most people here who have done orange will notice that the tone of the yellow is lighter but somehow brighter than the traditional yellows.
Maybe we can shift this couple of posts to the genetics section.

Sebas
18th January 2003, 02:19 AM
Kelvin, its not very true on orange having strong butterfly genes. I am not sure about genes that being responsible for butterflies, but most of my oranges have color developed almost fully on the fins after 4-5months of age. You can probably take a look if i can bring some to Jung's place sometime in the future. As for the yellows thrown out when doing orangexorange spawn, i guess most people here who have done orange will notice that the tone of the yellow is lighter but somehow brighter than the traditional yellows.
Maybe we can shift this couple of posts to the genetics section.

Chris Yew
18th January 2003, 09:21 AM
That's right Sebas, since this thread now consists of more genetics than anything else - guess it's appropriate to shift it to Genetics. Ha, but of to shift 'wholesale' cannot part of it lah. The programme is like that one, I also can't help it.

Chris Yew
18th January 2003, 09:21 AM
That's right Sebas, since this thread now consists of more genetics than anything else - guess it's appropriate to shift it to Genetics. Ha, but of to shift 'wholesale' cannot part of it lah. The programme is like that one, I also can't help it.

Chris Yew
18th January 2003, 09:29 AM
Hi Xiao Yi,

There are many ways to get to Rome. So your bettas or any other ppl bettas may look alike as mine, but the most interesting part to study about it's their genetics make-up. Are they the same? That will probably interest me much more. And that's the main reason why I choose my Chiffon (MG) to concentrate on.

There's nothing as good or not good, you have to decide for yourself what you want to achieve.



quote:Originally posted by Tan Xiao YI

my cambo dt n sd all like tt leh...gd or not gd ah ?all diff parent leh 1 is white x red 1 is red x red den all come out like tt sobz...
._."

Chris Yew
18th January 2003, 09:29 AM
Hi Xiao Yi,

There are many ways to get to Rome. So your bettas or any other ppl bettas may look alike as mine, but the most interesting part to study about it's their genetics make-up. Are they the same? That will probably interest me much more. And that's the main reason why I choose my Chiffon (MG) to concentrate on.

There's nothing as good or not good, you have to decide for yourself what you want to achieve.



quote:Originally posted by Tan Xiao YI

my cambo dt n sd all like tt leh...gd or not gd ah ?all diff parent leh 1 is white x red 1 is red x red den all come out like tt sobz...
._."

Kelvin Tan
18th January 2003, 09:36 AM
sebas
actually now its so difficult to see any traditional yellow..... most ppl's yellow all color like run away...lak sek...

Kelvin Tan
18th January 2003, 09:36 AM
sebas
actually now its so difficult to see any traditional yellow..... most ppl's yellow all color like run away...lak sek...

Chris Yew
18th January 2003, 04:56 PM
Hi Derrick,

Glad that you post. I've been waiting so long for your post and also so long to see your 'tancho' plakat photo until my piles also come out leow, hehe. Hope you are not like me getting no patience and lazy to take photos of bettas nowadays. LOL!:D

Since you've worked up to F4, the findings should be interesting. This MG gene is getting more and more interesting as we outcross it. So far, I suspect it may contained marble and orange gene in it. Keep as posted, and hope you will record down all your findings.

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

chris , finally ,somebody got the tancho like my plakat. i got mine by crossing mg xopaque.than from f1 (two with the orange head) .right up to f4 , i can only manage 30% with same traits.they are also marbled like your . white body with black ,steel blue patches all over. will post pics when ready(fries 10 weeks).one spawn st and the other dtx st(got some dt). thanks and regards Derrick++

Chris Yew
18th January 2003, 04:56 PM
Hi Derrick,

Glad that you post. I've been waiting so long for your post and also so long to see your 'tancho' plakat photo until my piles also come out leow, hehe. Hope you are not like me getting no patience and lazy to take photos of bettas nowadays. LOL!:D

Since you've worked up to F4, the findings should be interesting. This MG gene is getting more and more interesting as we outcross it. So far, I suspect it may contained marble and orange gene in it. Keep as posted, and hope you will record down all your findings.

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

chris , finally ,somebody got the tancho like my plakat. i got mine by crossing mg xopaque.than from f1 (two with the orange head) .right up to f4 , i can only manage 30% with same traits.they are also marbled like your . white body with black ,steel blue patches all over. will post pics when ready(fries 10 weeks).one spawn st and the other dtx st(got some dt). thanks and regards Derrick++

Sebas
18th January 2003, 05:26 PM
Hi Chris,
from what i see from the photos you've posted. There might even be more genes involved. Melano - Yellow - Red - Blue may all be in the line too.

Sebas
18th January 2003, 05:26 PM
Hi Chris,
from what i see from the photos you've posted. There might even be more genes involved. Melano - Yellow - Red - Blue may all be in the line too.

Chris Yew
18th January 2003, 08:19 PM
HI Sebas,
Yes, MG carries much more genes and that's why I'm always very keen in it. Still trying to explore further. But I'm also awared that this mb gene in it will make investigation difficult. A separate study of mb gene is definitely important inorder to understand MG better.

Chris Yew
18th January 2003, 08:19 PM
HI Sebas,
Yes, MG carries much more genes and that's why I'm always very keen in it. Still trying to explore further. But I'm also awared that this mb gene in it will make investigation difficult. A separate study of mb gene is definitely important inorder to understand MG better.

Sebas
18th January 2003, 08:32 PM
haha, I still have alot to learn from mustards too. In fact, i've never touched a mustard before despite the popularity of them. I guess i am still awaiting for 'the perfect mustard' for me. :)

Sebas
18th January 2003, 08:32 PM
haha, I still have alot to learn from mustards too. In fact, i've never touched a mustard before despite the popularity of them. I guess i am still awaiting for 'the perfect mustard' for me. :)

Sebas
18th January 2003, 08:33 PM
here chris, juz bought some batteries.:)
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and a photo of a yellow derived from a orange spawn. Photo doesnt show the bright yellow color though

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Sebas
18th January 2003, 08:33 PM
here chris, juz bought some batteries.:)
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and a photo of a yellow derived from a orange spawn. Photo doesnt show the bright yellow color though

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Chris Yew
18th January 2003, 09:19 PM
HI Sebas,
Can't see clearly leh. Try using those white study lamp to take without flash. Do you camera has macro mode?

Chris Yew
18th January 2003, 09:19 PM
HI Sebas,
Can't see clearly leh. Try using those white study lamp to take without flash. Do you camera has macro mode?

Sebas
18th January 2003, 09:39 PM
does have macro, but the problem lies in my lighting of my room. haha, also, the tank is a plastic tank and the water is saturated with ketapang. Will try again tomorrow.

Sebas
18th January 2003, 09:39 PM
does have macro, but the problem lies in my lighting of my room. haha, also, the tank is a plastic tank and the water is saturated with ketapang. Will try again tomorrow.

derrick kuah
19th January 2003, 02:26 AM
hi , chris,i have with me ,two spawns (f4). one spawn from a dt father(with orange head)and a st mother(unfortunately,its not orange headed). the st x st spawn only produced 10 pcs of good fries (3 pcs with orange head). have taken some pics of dt spawn(orange colour only starting to show on head(posted in arofanatics under marbled plakat).will try to take pics of st male next week.try to put up pics here but seem to get problems...don,t know how,and don,t know why...cos i don,t have a chance to play with computer(in fact ,same with typing. i m typing with "one finger" now)alway have somebody doing for me.ah.. ah .. that the wonder of bettas, i m doing everything myself now and i m learning everyday so please excuse me and be patient.maybe one day have to invite some kind soul , to show me all the tricks on computer(sam or fred)and get my wife to cook "nonya" meesiam as a bite. any takers.oh , on records , i think i m too lazy ,to do that. i will try to recall tonight than post it some other day on what i get from day 1(mg purple female x opaque male)here the brief... from f1, i didn.t see any red in my fries. only white body(some colourless) with blue(three irres),black all over body.from f1 , i got maybe 5-8 pcs with a liitle orange patches on head . i found them ,very cute . i started working from here....f2...about 10%, f3...get better 20+%(than stop ,give away quite a nos cos i thought i will be away for sometime(3 weeks),oh yeah from same spawning ,also get some white body with black patches fishes(unfortunately,give the remaining 10+females to fred,and he had spawned them with some white male)oh ..where am i ,yes, than i contiune with only two pairs(trip cancelled).i m very long winded...to cut it short ,will post some photos . thanks and regards Derrick ++ but show me how..?

derrick kuah
19th January 2003, 02:26 AM
hi , chris,i have with me ,two spawns (f4). one spawn from a dt father(with orange head)and a st mother(unfortunately,its not orange headed). the st x st spawn only produced 10 pcs of good fries (3 pcs with orange head). have taken some pics of dt spawn(orange colour only starting to show on head(posted in arofanatics under marbled plakat).will try to take pics of st male next week.try to put up pics here but seem to get problems...don,t know how,and don,t know why...cos i don,t have a chance to play with computer(in fact ,same with typing. i m typing with "one finger" now)alway have somebody doing for me.ah.. ah .. that the wonder of bettas, i m doing everything myself now and i m learning everyday so please excuse me and be patient.maybe one day have to invite some kind soul , to show me all the tricks on computer(sam or fred)and get my wife to cook "nonya" meesiam as a bite. any takers.oh , on records , i think i m too lazy ,to do that. i will try to recall tonight than post it some other day on what i get from day 1(mg purple female x opaque male)here the brief... from f1, i didn.t see any red in my fries. only white body(some colourless) with blue(three irres),black all over body.from f1 , i got maybe 5-8 pcs with a liitle orange patches on head . i found them ,very cute . i started working from here....f2...about 10%, f3...get better 20+%(than stop ,give away quite a nos cos i thought i will be away for sometime(3 weeks),oh yeah from same spawning ,also get some white body with black patches fishes(unfortunately,give the remaining 10+females to fred,and he had spawned them with some white male)oh ..where am i ,yes, than i contiune with only two pairs(trip cancelled).i m very long winded...to cut it short ,will post some photos . thanks and regards Derrick ++ but show me how..?

Chris Yew
19th January 2003, 11:05 AM
Hi Derrick,

Thanks for sharing the infos, and that's great. It's always good to keep record of each spawn as I always did until all my datas are wiped out by my harddisk crashed. Now I've to start all over again but my brain is useless - cannot recalled much, hehe.

It's easy to upload and edit photos to your photo album. See this thread for step by step details;
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=547

If you have problems, let me know. If needed, I can help you during the members' visit. Give it a shot first.

Chris Yew
19th January 2003, 11:05 AM
Hi Derrick,

Thanks for sharing the infos, and that's great. It's always good to keep record of each spawn as I always did until all my datas are wiped out by my harddisk crashed. Now I've to start all over again but my brain is useless - cannot recalled much, hehe.

It's easy to upload and edit photos to your photo album. See this thread for step by step details;
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=547

If you have problems, let me know. If needed, I can help you during the members' visit. Give it a shot first.

derrick kuah
22nd January 2003, 10:36 PM
hi chris, i think i still have problems up-loading today. been trying but keep giving me error or "pages cannot be connected". i got the "tancho" pics ready. please help..... thanks .. and regards Derrick++

Sebas
22nd January 2003, 10:36 PM
Uncle derrick! Maybe i can visit you someday this week or next week. I need to destress!!!!! [V]

Sebas
22nd January 2003, 10:41 PM
Uncle derrick, try going to http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/photo_album.asp
then click on Edit Your album/Upload files
then click on Upload Files into Album
then click on Browse
Select your file
then click Open
Then click on Upload

If there are any problems with your photos, you can try to resize them cuz they may be too big. If you need help, send me your photos to my email evilnike13@hotmail.com, i help you resize them and send it back to you.

derrick kuah
22nd January 2003, 10:47 PM
sebas , you are welcome to come if you needed to ,just call me before you do . thanks your infors ,will try again later on. my son is using the other computer ,i have all my pics with "that".if i have problems then you must come this week ..ha ..ha .thanks anyway

Sebas
22nd January 2003, 10:50 PM
sure, no problem!! haha..

Chris Yew
23rd January 2003, 11:01 AM
Hi Derrick,
Guess you have them uploaded. To get rid of that No Photo Icon, read this thread;
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=547

Still got problem, let me know.

:D

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

hi chris, i think i still have problems up-loading today. been trying but keep giving me error or "pages cannot be connected". i got the "tancho" pics ready. please help..... thanks .. and regards Derrick++

derrick kuah
23rd January 2003, 04:31 PM
Hi ,chris ,sorry ,i keep getting microsoft forum error messages.don,t know ,its server or my computer problems. anyway ,got them loaded at arofanatics "under tanchon plakat", please take a look and give your comments. thanks and regards Derrick++ I think , sebas really has to come. please help...p++

Chris Yew
23rd January 2003, 04:40 PM
Ha, that's not an error. It's becoz probably during the time of your loading, I'm doing some testing on the forum. You can try again. Hint - try when I'm not loggin to the forum, lol!

derrick kuah
23rd January 2003, 05:18 PM
hi ,chris, managed to lock in , loaded 8 pcs pics but only three loaded into tancho album.so what should i do . try again. thanks and regards Derrick++

Sebas
23rd January 2003, 05:29 PM
Uncle derrick, maybe this saturday? if i'm not going to my grandpa's place. Anyway, i will be at Sungei Tengah tomorrow after 5pm.

derrick kuah
24th January 2003, 04:25 AM
hi sebas , thanks ahead ,appreciate a lot .

Chris Yew
24th January 2003, 03:14 PM
Hi Derrick,
Finally seen it! It will be better if your Tancho Plakats are of one color i.e. either black or orange instead of both that color. Probably can work those achieving onli one color.

Are you still using that Fuji Finepix digital camera?

derrick kuah
24th January 2003, 08:01 PM
no , chris , my son sold that damned camera .I m using a song 717 but stil no good with it ,have to do a lot of practice with it. thanks and regards DErrick++

Sebas
24th January 2003, 09:52 PM
haiz, jus came back from farm...... shagged like ^!@$W%^. Uncle Derrick, maybe i wont be able to make it tomorrow, too tired.... BTW, i spawned my only 'tancho' from my marbles to maran's Dt marble female, removed female already.

Kelvin Tan
25th March 2003, 12:31 PM
would pigmentation on the head suffice as calling it marbling? does mg really has marbling genes?

Kelvin Tan
27th March 2003, 11:10 AM
quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

would pigmentation on the head suffice as calling it marbling? does mg really has marbling genes?
[cnf]

Kelvin Tan
27th March 2003, 11:10 AM
quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

would pigmentation on the head suffice as calling it marbling? does mg really has marbling genes?
[cnf]