Tips on raising fries

[Robson Loh]

I've successful breeded many pairs of my Bettas. However, I find it harder to grow the fries. Usually I would loss about 60% of my fries to unknown reasons.:( I've tried using liquifry and BBS as food for the fries, but it seems that the fries are still not growing as rapidly.[|)] Can anyone advise me on the type of fries food available that will increase the survival rate of my fries. How can I make them grow faster and healthy[?]Thank alot!:)

[Myron Tay]

I use microworms.

[Myron Tay]

I use microworms.

[Chris Yew]

HOw do you loose your fries? Due to food problem? Or other problems like water condition and space constraint (tank size).

[Chris Yew]

HOw do you loose your fries? Due to food problem? Or other problems like water condition and space constraint (tank size).

[Sebas]

Try adding a couple of ketapang leaves before breeding to make the water real brownish. Believe it or not, unless the condition is really bad, the leaves have a positive effect on both adults and especially fries. As for food, i prefer the stinking daphnia, feeding them to my fries at 2-3days after i remove the male. Although the size of daphnia seems abit too big for them, but somehow most of my fries are able to survive on the staple diet of daphnia. As for maintaining the spawn, i normally do 20-70% water change of 4days interval, only after i feel my fries are stable enough to withstand all the hoo-haas.

[Sebas]

Try adding a couple of ketapang leaves before breeding to make the water real brownish. Believe it or not, unless the condition is really bad, the leaves have a positive effect on both adults and especially fries. As for food, i prefer the stinking daphnia, feeding them to my fries at 2-3days after i remove the male. Although the size of daphnia seems abit too big for them, but somehow most of my fries are able to survive on the staple diet of daphnia. As for maintaining the spawn, i normally do 20-70% water change of 4days interval, only after i feel my fries are stable enough to withstand all the hoo-haas.

[Samuel Phan]

Same method as Sebas ....
Pure daphnias diet for the fries until they are able to take tubifex worms.
Larger volume of water will reduce your mortality rate.

[Samuel Phan]

Same method as Sebas ....
Pure daphnias diet for the fries until they are able to take tubifex worms.
Larger volume of water will reduce your mortality rate.

[ben fox wong]

besides ketapang leaves & external bacteria medicine to prevent fungus, i also add in an airstone bubbling at a slow rate. this improves the aeration & the circulation gathers the waste, making it easier to syphon. i feed the fries with BBS/MW/frozen daphnia but no liquid fry.

[ben fox wong]

besides ketapang leaves & external bacteria medicine to prevent fungus, i also add in an airstone bubbling at a slow rate. this improves the aeration & the circulation gathers the waste, making it easier to syphon. i feed the fries with BBS/MW/frozen daphnia but no liquid fry.

[Robson Loh]

I agreed with you all about the Ketapang leaves. However, I also find that the Daphnia are rather big for the little fries. Moreover, they are not always available. Rather hard to get from my place. Do anyone know where to get constant supply of Daphnia[?] By the way, what are the methods used for changing the water of newly hatched fries?

[Robson Loh]

I agreed with you all about the Ketapang leaves. However, I also find that the Daphnia are rather big for the little fries. Moreover, they are not always available. Rather hard to get from my place. Do anyone know where to get constant supply of Daphnia[?] By the way, what are the methods used for changing the water of newly hatched fries?

[Sebas]

Dont worry about the daphnia being too big, a tip for you is to use a much more fine net to drain the water off daphnia, this way, the smaller sized ones are not being filtered away. Also, if water conditions are right, some daphnia actually reproduce in the breeding tanks. Maybe its due to influence from my family, but i personally prefer daphnia.:D

If you are driving and live somewhere near choa chu kang, you can go to Sungei Tengah Number 96 where my grandpa is. We are selling both tubifex and daphnia there, also frozen bloodworms. The daphnia sold should be of certain quality, my grandpa have been in this business for a long time.

[Sebas]

Dont worry about the daphnia being too big, a tip for you is to use a much more fine net to drain the water off daphnia, this way, the smaller sized ones are not being filtered away. Also, if water conditions are right, some daphnia actually reproduce in the breeding tanks. Maybe its due to influence from my family, but i personally prefer daphnia.:D

If you are driving and live somewhere near choa chu kang, you can go to Sungei Tengah Number 96 where my grandpa is. We are selling both tubifex and daphnia there, also frozen bloodworms. The daphnia sold should be of certain quality, my grandpa have been in this business for a long time.

[Samuel Phan]

I get my weekly supply from Sebas grandpa every weekend.
ANd yep ... daphnia do multiply when you put them in fry tank ...

[Samuel Phan]

I get my weekly supply from Sebas grandpa every weekend.
ANd yep ... daphnia do multiply when you put them in fry tank ...

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys,

Just want to say that Sebas' grandpa's daphnia and tubifex are the best value for money in Singapore that I have seen. Thanks to KY Foong and Sebas, I get to know high quality live foods do exist in Singapore.

Robson, if you stay in the East, can sms me at 9628-2286. I know alternate source on the east side. Though not as good as Sebas' ones, still better than Lam Hong's.

BTW, I add green water to enhance the survival of the daphnia in the fry tank, possibly encourage them to multiply.

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys,

Just want to say that Sebas' grandpa's daphnia and tubifex are the best value for money in Singapore that I have seen. Thanks to KY Foong and Sebas, I get to know high quality live foods do exist in Singapore.

Robson, if you stay in the East, can sms me at 9628-2286. I know alternate source on the east side. Though not as good as Sebas' ones, still better than Lam Hong's.

BTW, I add green water to enhance the survival of the daphnia in the fry tank, possibly encourage them to multiply.

[Chris Yew]

Steven, tell us where in the East to get good source. Share with all lah!:D

quote:Originally posted by Steven Cheng

Hi guys,

Just want to say that Sebas' grandpa's daphnia and tubifex are the best value for money in Singapore that I have seen. Thanks to KY Foong and Sebas, I get to know high quality live foods do exist in Singapore.

Robson, if you stay in the East, can sms me at 9628-2286. I know alternate source on the east side. Though not as good as Sebas' ones, still better than Lam Hong's.

BTW, I add green water to enhance the survival of the daphnia in the fry tank, possibly encourage them to multiply.

[Chris Yew]

Steven, tell us where in the East to get good source. Share with all lah!:D

quote:Originally posted by Steven Cheng

Hi guys,

Just want to say that Sebas' grandpa's daphnia and tubifex are the best value for money in Singapore that I have seen. Thanks to KY Foong and Sebas, I get to know high quality live foods do exist in Singapore.

Robson, if you stay in the East, can sms me at 9628-2286. I know alternate source on the east side. Though not as good as Sebas' ones, still better than Lam Hong's.

BTW, I add green water to enhance the survival of the daphnia in the fry tank, possibly encourage them to multiply.

[Robson Loh]

Sebas;

Does your grandfather do despatch of Daphnia to Aquariums? I'm actually in search of these supply for my up-coming Aquarium. And since so many members of BCS are stating the good quality of your grandfather stocks, I would be grateful if I can get supply from him. I stay in Ang Mo Kio and my shop is also in the same area. Thanks alot!:)

[Robson Loh]

Sebas;

Does your grandfather do despatch of Daphnia to Aquariums? I'm actually in search of these supply for my up-coming Aquarium. And since so many members of BCS are stating the good quality of your grandfather stocks, I would be grateful if I can get supply from him. I stay in Ang Mo Kio and my shop is also in the same area. Thanks alot!:)

[Sebas]

Erm, he distributes to farms along with his elder brother. I would recommend that you go to Sungei Tengah yourself to get stock from him. He sells feeders like frogs too. You also can try chatting with him in person about the matter, but the most workable way is to get stock directly from him at Sungei Tengah. I cannot gurantee these things with you cuz my grandpa is quite old already, so you will have to talk to him and he might find a possible transportation of the goods to your shop.

[Sebas]

Erm, he distributes to farms along with his elder brother. I would recommend that you go to Sungei Tengah yourself to get stock from him. He sells feeders like frogs too. You also can try chatting with him in person about the matter, but the most workable way is to get stock directly from him at Sungei Tengah. I cannot gurantee these things with you cuz my grandpa is quite old already, so you will have to talk to him and he might find a possible transportation of the goods to your shop.

[Steven Cheng]

Hi Chris and all,

The address is: L33 MK29, Pasir Ris Drive 12. Can call Ah Boon (50+ year old) and speak Hokkein with him at HP number: 9638-5818.

His supply arrives 6-7 a.m. everyday. I call to reserve the day before (in the afternoon) as he is normally very busy in the morning. Prices: Daphnia $1/- per bag (quantity equals slightly more than $2 of Lam Hong's. Tubifex $2.50/- per can.

[Steven Cheng]

Hi Chris and all,

The address is: L33 MK29, Pasir Ris Drive 12. Can call Ah Boon (50+ year old) and speak Hokkein with him at HP number: 9638-5818.

His supply arrives 6-7 a.m. everyday. I call to reserve the day before (in the afternoon) as he is normally very busy in the morning. Prices: Daphnia $1/- per bag (quantity equals slightly more than $2 of Lam Hong's. Tubifex $2.50/- per can.

[Samuel Phan]

Okie ... now back on track ....
Baby food .. MW, Daphnia.

You can also use BBS ...
LiquidFry is normally not used as it tends to foul the water and the fries dun seem sto fancy it ...

[Samuel Phan]

Okie ... now back on track ....
Baby food .. MW, Daphnia.

You can also use BBS ...
LiquidFry is normally not used as it tends to foul the water and the fries dun seem sto fancy it ...

[Chris Yew]

Actually Liquidfry is not really meant as fry food but as a source to produce infusoria. Don't ever apply too much as your breeding tank doesn't contain much water.

[Chris Yew]

Actually Liquidfry is not really meant as fry food but as a source to produce infusoria. Don't ever apply too much as your breeding tank doesn't contain much water.

[Foo Hong]

You shld not add liquifry.

I had to think that yr problem is due to fouled water conditions, bcos dont forget you havent got any form of filteration and daddy/mummy betta have been pooing for the last 5 days. The fries are literally introduced into a starting environment of not so clean water.

They leaves help in certain ways but is not 100% answer. The fries , once having fully consumed their yolk sacs, have to almost immediately get secondary nutrition. and they can , well only eat anythg smaller than their mouths. MWs and BBS is hence always used to breach this difficult n critical period. Problem is when you unnoticealy dumped too much in the tank and fouls it even further. Moinas are too big initially. But do put a few inside so that they produce baby moinas, which is and excellent food.

If you can green yr water a little, it will also help so that the infusoria grows. Filteration may be used but make it very gentle. Plants are probably teh best for cleaner water as far as fries are concerned.

[Foo Hong]

You shld not add liquifry.

I had to think that yr problem is due to fouled water conditions, bcos dont forget you havent got any form of filteration and daddy/mummy betta have been pooing for the last 5 days. The fries are literally introduced into a starting environment of not so clean water.

They leaves help in certain ways but is not 100% answer. The fries , once having fully consumed their yolk sacs, have to almost immediately get secondary nutrition. and they can , well only eat anythg smaller than their mouths. MWs and BBS is hence always used to breach this difficult n critical period. Problem is when you unnoticealy dumped too much in the tank and fouls it even further. Moinas are too big initially. But do put a few inside so that they produce baby moinas, which is and excellent food.

If you can green yr water a little, it will also help so that the infusoria grows. Filteration may be used but make it very gentle. Plants are probably teh best for cleaner water as far as fries are concerned.

[Robson Loh]

Actually, what do you mean by 'green the water'? How can I go about it?:)

quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

You shld not add liquifry.

I had to think that yr problem is due to fouled water conditions, bcos dont forget you havent got any form of filteration and daddy/mummy betta have been pooing for the last 5 days. The fries are literally introduced into a starting environment of not so clean water.

They leaves help in certain ways but is not 100% answer. The fries , once having fully consumed their yolk sacs, have to almost immediately get secondary nutrition. and they can , well only eat anythg smaller than their mouths. MWs and BBS is hence always used to breach this difficult n critical period. Problem is when you unnoticealy dumped too much in the tank and fouls it even further. Moinas are too big initially. But do put a few inside so that they produce baby moinas, which is and excellent food.

If you can green yr water a little, it will also help so that the infusoria grows. Filteration may be used but make it very gentle. Plants are probably teh best for cleaner water as far as fries are concerned.

[Robson Loh]

Actually, what do you mean by 'green the water'? How can I go about it?:)

quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

You shld not add liquifry.

I had to think that yr problem is due to fouled water conditions, bcos dont forget you havent got any form of filteration and daddy/mummy betta have been pooing for the last 5 days. The fries are literally introduced into a starting environment of not so clean water.

They leaves help in certain ways but is not 100% answer. The fries , once having fully consumed their yolk sacs, have to almost immediately get secondary nutrition. and they can , well only eat anythg smaller than their mouths. MWs and BBS is hence always used to breach this difficult n critical period. Problem is when you unnoticealy dumped too much in the tank and fouls it even further. Moinas are too big initially. But do put a few inside so that they produce baby moinas, which is and excellent food.

If you can green yr water a little, it will also help so that the infusoria grows. Filteration may be used but make it very gentle. Plants are probably teh best for cleaner water as far as fries are concerned.

[kennho]

Greening of water meaning increase the activities of free floating algae. In establish green water, there are many micro organisms that fishes can feed on anytime they like. To maintain the green will required sufficient amount of light to enable the photosynthesis cycle, thus clearing up the N in the water and provide sufficient dissolved O2 for the fish.

[kennho]

Greening of water meaning increase the activities of free floating algae. In establish green water, there are many micro organisms that fishes can feed on anytime they like. To maintain the green will required sufficient amount of light to enable the photosynthesis cycle, thus clearing up the N in the water and provide sufficient dissolved O2 for the fish.

[Foo Hong]

Thats right!

[Foo Hong]

Thats right!

[Urner Hoo]

Hmmm... excellent response from the community !! i use all the methods mentioned by the seniors with a little twist. jus a quick review, i start with microworms and followed by daphnia when they are big enough. i usually play by sight as certain colour strain do not exhibit quick growth rate. when the fries are at abt the right size ( u'll know this by experience !) i put some daphnia in the green water fry tank as indicators. when the daphnia population start to reduce, it's time to add em every meal time !! fries continue with daphnia diet untill they are big enough for tubi and eventually live blood worms, My Favourite food source for adult betta !! bbs is use as back up when daphnia is not available due to a heavy downpour ! here's the twist : i do not change water like the folks do. however, i use a mac d straw to suck out dirt on tank bed a little at a time during feeding and top up water when it's 10% lower than normal. i also have lotsa teck plants in da tank to help absorb nitrates and ammonia from da water. often, it's what u cannot see that is critical !! and a fry killer too !! with this mtd, i get only 5% mortality rate. and this stats increases due to da QC thingy, if u know what i mean !!! to all breeders out there :D cheez

[Samuel Phan]

Urner ... A well thought out procedures that you are following ... :)

[Foo Hong]

I can also suggest a method I use to you guys since so many are losing fries.
As the fries abt 1 day to free swimimg I sometimes add green water that are infested with infusoria. This allows the early hatchers to get some food while their siblings are still 'danggling'.

After removing daddy bettas, I always lower the level of the water to as low as 0.5 inch. I then add freshly hatched bbs. The smaller water volume concentrates the bbs so even he weaker smaller fries get a bite. I feel this is critical as the rich bbs yolk is quite vital. U will notice the fires practicaly double in size in first 2 days if the bbs feed is done twice. after 2 days, add 2 inch of fresh water, feed bbs. day 3, change 75% of water. small amt of daphnias can be added, so that they produce tiny ones, which also cleans the water as they feed. Do not throw the whole packet in and use up all the O2 in the water. just abt '1 drop' will do.