Giant Plakats

[Jonathan_Tan]

hi,
saw the thai giant plakats at the comp... **** solid colour and finnage... size: MASSIVE...
the thing was like 10cm or so...
anyway, i would like to find out frm u guys here where i can get them?
i know the comp have lah but so ex, 100 bucks per piece...
how they get the plakats that size?
heard can catch wild ones that size in thailand...
can someone enlighten me as to their origins?
thanks

[Foo Hong]

$100 is nothing. They cost more in many cases. The fishes on display have a minimum standard.

U cant catch them in the wild, these are bred intensively like Hms.

[Foo Hong]

$100 is nothing. They cost more in many cases. The fishes on display have a minimum standard.

U cant catch them in the wild, these are bred intensively like Hms.

[Foo Hong]

$100 is nothing. They cost more in many cases. The fishes on display have a minimum standard.

U cant catch them in the wild, these are bred intensively like Hms.

[Samuel Phan]

They originated from Thailand and still until today it is mainly the Thais that breeds them.
At $100 for the female and $150 for the male ... it is almost a give away price.

Just few months back, a giant can easily fetch $600 each with females costing more and not easily available unless with the necessary contacts.

[Samuel Phan]

They originated from Thailand and still until today it is mainly the Thais that breeds them.
At $100 for the female and $150 for the male ... it is almost a give away price.

Just few months back, a giant can easily fetch $600 each with females costing more and not easily available unless with the necessary contacts.

[Samuel Phan]

They originated from Thailand and still until today it is mainly the Thais that breeds them.
At $100 for the female and $150 for the male ... it is almost a give away price.

Just few months back, a giant can easily fetch $600 each with females costing more and not easily available unless with the necessary contacts.

[Daniel Chia]

For those who are interested, I saw a few Giant Plakats (including blue/yellow "mustard gas" like ones) at Betta Kingdom yesterday.
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Daniel Chia/200448163821_bettakingdom.jpg

I believe they are approximately 3 to 4 inches long (i.e. from mouth to caudal peduncle).

Rick's selling them at SGD$100 each.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by steven tang

Hi everyone judging by what is written recently on giants it seems that giants are a fairly new breed to reach the market. However, about 10 years ago a friend gave me a few vt bettas which he had bought from thailand. These bettas were as big as those being sold as gaints today at $100. If I am not wrong he bought them as cheaply as any pet shop betta. Thus, all along I thought that giants were a common fish in thailand that somehow did not make it to the singapore pet shops. At one time, the science centre also had somelarge sized bettas. I have also heard of a LFS selling large bettas many years back.[ag]
How big are the giants we are talking about? The giants that I have seen are about 5 inches, though I have heard that some come in at about 7 inches! Are we talking about the same giants?

[steven tang]

Yes talking about the same giants that are over 10 cm

[Myron Tay]

Interesting, Steven. Thanks for sharing.

[steven tang]

Actually the Libby bettas are not that new. Maybe somehow people in thailand were breeding and selling bettas that are of that size espacially for the veil tails. But i am not sure how the price suddenly became so steep esp since my friend got them cheaply. Hoping that maybe someone from thailand can help to explain. Perhaps the giant plakat is a much newer breed.

[Myron Tay]

Guess it is the rarity of the giant nowadays?

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Fan Kei Lim

how big is a giant plakat supposed to be?
2.5 inch (or more) from tail-tip to mouth?
i've seen one on the web which is abt 3.5 inches long.
[tx]

Hi, guess this thread answers your questions?

[Fan Kei Lim]

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

quote:Originally posted by Fan Kei Lim

how big is a giant plakat supposed to be?
2.5 inch (or more) from tail-tip to mouth?
i've seen one on the web which is abt 3.5 inches long.
[tx]

Hi, guess this thread answers your questions?

yup... thanx, Myron. [gd]
i'll visit BK & have a good look @ the size of the real thing.

for more info, visit: http://www.geocities.com/thaigiantbetta

[Fan Kei Lim]

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

Guess it is the rarity of the giant nowadays?


CT's used to be rare too.
now its pretty common. ppl can get a decent one for $12-$25.
i guess the price would drop steadily as the giant plakat becomes more popular. jus like wat happened to CT's. :)

[Daniel Chia]

quote:Originally posted by Fan Kei Lim

i'll visit BK & have a good look @ the size of the real thing.Sorry to break the news to you, Kei Lim.
Betta Kingdom ceased operations around the end of last year.

[Fan Kei Lim]

quote:Originally posted by Daniel Chia

quote:Originally posted by Fan Kei Lim

i'll visit BK & have a good look @ the size of the real thing.Sorry to break the news to you, Kei Lim.
Betta Kingdom ceased operations around the end of last year.


ok. thanx for the heads-up.

[Fan Kei Lim]

after browsing thru' this site >> http://www.bettas-jimsonnier.com/genetics7.htm

i roughly have an idea on how to define giant plakats...

2.5" length = Regular Size
3.5" length = Half-Giant
7" length = Giant

pls correct me if i'm wrong. :)

[Fan Kei Lim]

quote:Originally posted by steven tang

Actually the Libby bettas are not that new. Maybe somehow people in thailand were breeding and selling bettas that are of that size espacially for the veil tails. But i am not sure how the price suddenly became so steep esp since my friend got them cheaply. Hoping that maybe someone from thailand can help to explain. Perhaps the giant plakat is a much newer breed.


actually, if u order online... its much cheaper. about USD$15-30 each @ http://www.geocities.com/thaigiantbetta/stock.

i believe giant plakats r not very common in SG, especially for Half-Giants & 100% Giants.
thus, FS owners take the opportunity to mark-up the price to @ least 4-5 times more. [g2f]

altho' Regular Giants (2.5" - 3") can be bought @ ard $2 each.
i've seen a couple of steel blue ones @ a FS near my house which r pretty alright. & got also quite a few with red-wash.
fairly nice colors but the form has not much quality.
anyways its only $2, so we can't expect too much. :)
i managed to get one w/o any red-wash. & it has nicely formed royal-blue fins & a dark-green body.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Fan Kei Lim


after browsing thru' this site >> http://www.bettas-jimsonnier.com/genetics7.htm

i roughly have an idea on how to define giant plakats...

2.5" length = Regular Size
3.5" length = Half-Giant
7" length = Giant

pls correct me if i'm wrong. :)


Not everyone agrees on the half-giant, since these could be slightly larger bettas which turn up from time to time in all spawns. Personally, I would stick to regular and giant sizes only.

[Lyon Goh]

Yes, what many LFS are selling are just normal large sized, older bettas. They do not have the Giant genes in them at all.
To qualify for a 50% giant, they must reach at least 2.5inch in body length by 3 months old.

[Myron Tay]

I would only consider it a giant when they turn out to be 5-7 inches.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by mark Koh 2

does anyone know how did the Giant Plakat was "created". care to share? and how do we breed these giants?
Anyone can help Mark on his questions?

I have heard that giants breed in the same manner as regular bettas. However, the giant trait is not the result of a single gene i.e. you would probably not get many of them in a single spawn even if you breed a giant to a giant.

[Daniel Ong]

They were created through selective breeding of the largest from each spawn.

[imported_n/a]

hey guys! my giant plakat and a normal plakat just spawned today. i wonder wad the results would be.

[Jodi Lea]

Jim Sonnier has put forward his theory on the inheritance of the giant gene here: http://www.bettas-jimsonnier.com/genetics7.htm

Cheers, J

[imported_n/a]

thanks!

[Ramon]

From my humble experience with Giants / Halfgiants (~10 spawns) I dare to doubt that Jims theory is correct. At least it did not prove correct in my particular case.

The results I achieved are far far away from an inheritance pattern that would result from a single gene mutation.

Only ~10% per spawn were larger than usual and I never achieved to bring back full giant size by crossing giant x halfgiant or halfgiant x halfgiant. Still trying...

I would say that the term "continous variation" would be more appropriate when talking about the size of giant offspring.

Cheers
Ramon

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Ramon

The results I achieved are far far away from an inheritance pattern that would result from a single gene mutation.

Only ~10% per spawn were larger than usual and I never achieved to bring back full giant size by crossing giant x halfgiant or halfgiant x halfgiant. Still trying...

I would say that the term "continous variation" would be more appropriate when talking about the size of giant offspring.

Cheers
RamonIt would be fair to say that your findings is consistent with Dr Lucas's spawns and with what I hear from breeders of giant plakats. Even a giant X giant pairing gives a tiny fraction of giant offsprings.

[Jodi Lea]

more than one allele involved then?

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Jodi Lea

more than one allele involved then?
Guess no one has really reached a conclusion on this. All I am sure at this point is that it is unlikely that a betta which carries "60%-70% giant gene". It is most likely a misrepresentation based on what I know about genetic information.

[jasonthong]

quote:Originally posted by steven tang

Actually the Libby bettas are not that new. Maybe somehow people in thailand were breeding and selling bettas that are of that size espacially for the veil tails. But i am not sure how the price suddenly became so steep esp since my friend got them cheaply. Hoping that maybe someone from thailand can help to explain. Perhaps the giant plakat is a much newer breed.
Cos now the giant are almost full mask hm