Bad genes do stay

[Foo Hong]

I start this thread bcos I think we have similar experiences in one way or other. 2 seemingly good fishes bred to give a certain number of offsprings that are far inferior to dad/mum. Or, some lines which can be worked a long time and at some stage there is a horrible throwback of ..again...poor fishes. Possibly explained why HMs are also diff to come by.

It seems that one of the lines that I have such experience with is the UJ MG line. Not taking credit away from the man cos he did produce such brilliantly coloured bettas, but the finnafe/form...well!
How many flawless MG HM have you all seen? well...as far as I am coincerned ..I havent. I have painstaking so far work 2 lines over a period of 2 years and altho the UJMGs were bred into HM lines, the MG outcrosses coming out of it is far far from ideal. Another case I could compare to is that of melanos. Those into melanos will notice that at many a time, the steel males are better compared to their black phenol sibling brothers in form. Why?

Wanna make a guess anyone? well mine is also a guess anyhow! :D

[kennho]

Foo Hong you are not alone. I have been working on my royal blue dt line and until F4, practically the spawn threw out 5 different colors (green, turq, blue, pastel and melano) and worst, 100% not even near to the parents. The blue and green are still the better looking ones but the rest very horrible. I am practically stuck now with no idea what to do after spending time on continuing the line.

Where did I go wrong ? Selection of parents ? or the gene from excessive in-breeding is getting out of 'hand' ?

[kennho]

Foo Hong you are not alone. I have been working on my royal blue dt line and until F4, practically the spawn threw out 5 different colors (green, turq, blue, pastel and melano) and worst, 100% not even near to the parents. The blue and green are still the better looking ones but the rest very horrible. I am practically stuck now with no idea what to do after spending time on continuing the line.

Where did I go wrong ? Selection of parents ? or the gene from excessive in-breeding is getting out of 'hand' ?

[roycheok]

FH...

I think certain colour strains or combinations...just have better
traits. If you just look at us, humans....all oso homo sapiens, but there are differences based on colour too, eg why chinese one like 'lap cheong', and black one...'so long'...etc. heheh

[roycheok]

FH...

I think certain colour strains or combinations...just have better
traits. If you just look at us, humans....all oso homo sapiens, but there are differences based on colour too, eg why chinese one like 'lap cheong', and black one...'so long'...etc. heheh

[Foo Hong]

I know why u got 5 colours. Yr RBs were bred into melanos and opaques many generations ago. Pastels offsprings are a sign of opaque ancestry. Bcos of the melano presence the quality of teh blue colour is also usually lacklustre in tone.

quote:Originally posted by kennho

Foo Hong you are not alone. I have been working on my royal blue dt line and until F4, practically the spawn threw out 5 different colors (green, turq, blue, pastel and melano) and worst, 100% not even near to the parents. The blue and green are still the better looking ones but the rest very horrible. I am practically stuck now with no idea what to do after spending time on continuing the line.

Where did I go wrong ? Selection of parents ? or the gene from excessive in-breeding is getting out of 'hand' ?

[Foo Hong]

I know why u got 5 colours. Yr RBs were bred into melanos and opaques many generations ago. Pastels offsprings are a sign of opaque ancestry. Bcos of the melano presence the quality of teh blue colour is also usually lacklustre in tone.

quote:Originally posted by kennho

Foo Hong you are not alone. I have been working on my royal blue dt line and until F4, practically the spawn threw out 5 different colors (green, turq, blue, pastel and melano) and worst, 100% not even near to the parents. The blue and green are still the better looking ones but the rest very horrible. I am practically stuck now with no idea what to do after spending time on continuing the line.

Where did I go wrong ? Selection of parents ? or the gene from excessive in-breeding is getting out of 'hand' ?

[Foo Hong]

You are such a betta racist :D:D:D

quote:Originally posted by roycheok

FH...

I think certain colour strains or combinations...just have better
traits. If you just look at us, humans....all oso homo sapiens, but there are differences based on colour too, eg why chinese one like 'lap cheong', and black one...'so long'...etc. heheh

[Foo Hong]

You are such a betta racist :D:D:D

quote:Originally posted by roycheok

FH...

I think certain colour strains or combinations...just have better
traits. If you just look at us, humans....all oso homo sapiens, but there are differences based on colour too, eg why chinese one like 'lap cheong', and black one...'so long'...etc. heheh

[kennho]

Correct Foo Hong. The blue coloration in this line is not good. Dull. Looks like effort gone down the drain. A lesson to learn as well. But I am observing the pastel now. Something unusual in the caudal rays. Not confirm yet.

[kennho]

Correct Foo Hong. The blue coloration in this line is not good. Dull. Looks like effort gone down the drain. A lesson to learn as well. But I am observing the pastel now. Something unusual in the caudal rays. Not confirm yet.

[Myron Tay]

Guys, I repeat the call to get acquainted with genetic materials from the first hand source - IBC and Dr Gene Lucas. The articles (40 of them) are currently on sale and it is invaluable. And well worth the investment.

I am not saying that reading the articles would help to shorten our journey to the perfect betta. But I am convinced that it does provide a direction to strive towards. At least with the genetic articles as a rough compass, we might know where we are going!

[Myron Tay]

One of the conclusions that I did draw from reading the articles that might help is that it pays to invest in good stock, especially those in which a knowledgable person with similar goals has worked on. It might shorten the journey considerably!