Lets make this the best forum

[Foo Hong]

Yep, it was the intention of the comm and the protem comm to achieve this. While I think we not reach that goal, we shld all make it happen.

Personally I visited a lot of forums where I am mostly a moderate to sometimes a silent member. No name mentioned, in some of these, all I could see are bettas sales, nonsensical topics which are not only not related to bettas, they are also not related to any aquatic areas, there are even some which include a host of arguements, sarcacism, indirect attacks, complaints and such.

In my opinion, the closest forum which could match us in participation and content is the Malaysian betta assn forum.

For our forum to pick up, we should contribute.....constructively. Our review of the no. of 'speakers' vs. the readers showed a highly disproportionate ratio. For eg, the Hm thread had something like over 400 read-hits but hardly 1/4 of posts. It is only where more members chip in that this will be education, enjoyable, and brings the lot of us closer. You dont have to know alot to chat, u could ask. Perhaps Singaporeans are inherently shy and reserved. But since we are all betta lovers, lets start flaring :D

[Toh Chen Han]

Well, I think it's a good start that this forum is, in the main, free from a lot of the trash that afflicts some other forums (i.e. flaring, irrelevance, bickering etc), and I think we have the moderators to thank for the job well done.

However moving beyond the establishment of this civil and conducive forum I'm not sure how much can be done to encourage people to post their opinions/queries more readily. Can't make people post, but I know the effort has been made, through :

1) the helpful, encouraging and un-patronising replies that have have been given to genuine queries, and the sharing of ideas/experience

2) mature reaction to constructive criticism

3) thinking up interesting discussion topics (esp FH)

It's good that people here seem to be showing the kind of mature restraint in posting that ensures there is not too much nonsense cluttering up the forum, but hope that this sense of restraint does not inhibit the sharing of genuine ideas and experiences with fellow members!

Look forward to more interesting discussions! =)

[Toh Chen Han]

Well, I think it's a good start that this forum is, in the main, free from a lot of the trash that afflicts some other forums (i.e. flaring, irrelevance, bickering etc), and I think we have the moderators to thank for the job well done.

However moving beyond the establishment of this civil and conducive forum I'm not sure how much can be done to encourage people to post their opinions/queries more readily. Can't make people post, but I know the effort has been made, through :

1) the helpful, encouraging and un-patronising replies that have have been given to genuine queries, and the sharing of ideas/experience

2) mature reaction to constructive criticism

3) thinking up interesting discussion topics (esp FH)

It's good that people here seem to be showing the kind of mature restraint in posting that ensures there is not too much nonsense cluttering up the forum, but hope that this sense of restraint does not inhibit the sharing of genuine ideas and experiences with fellow members!

Look forward to more interesting discussions! =)

[Kelvin Tan]

yeah we can make it happen of course....but i think i gotta shut up...haha....

[Kelvin Tan]

yeah we can make it happen of course....but i think i gotta shut up...haha....

[Foo Hong]

We all learn something in teh course of caring for those fishy creatures......just need few seconds to type a few keys.

[Foo Hong]

We all learn something in teh course of caring for those fishy creatures......just need few seconds to type a few keys.

[roycheok]

Hi Kelvin

No need to shut up lah!! If you do that, how can we ever make it happen. Go ahead and post, speak your mind, but make it meaningful.


quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

yeah we can make it happen of course....but i think i gotta shut up...haha....

[roycheok]

Hi Kelvin

No need to shut up lah!! If you do that, how can we ever make it happen. Go ahead and post, speak your mind, but make it meaningful.


quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

yeah we can make it happen of course....but i think i gotta shut up...haha....

[Kelvin Tan]

yeah hard to shut up but probably only gonna discuss on betta only.... goin backwards to where i started.... how to rear betta better

[Kelvin Tan]

yeah hard to shut up but probably only gonna discuss on betta only.... goin backwards to where i started.... how to rear betta better

[Kelvin Tan]

yeah hard to shut up but probably only gonna discuss on betta only.... goin backwards to where i started.... how to rear betta better

[ben fox wong]

there is no need to completely zip up. if it is about how to keep fish better, diseases, what cameras to buy etc, i'm sure no one will stop u. but u need to be careful on what u say on other things & more importantly, how u say it. u may have good intentions, but if u phrase it wrongly, it will give others the wrong impressions. once u step into the working world, start earning your money, u got bigger budget (also bigger problems) than now as a student, u will find $60 for yearly fees or $25/or designs for a polo is secondary to worry about. also in the working world, pple wont tell u off directly like now in this forum with real names. u might be quietly culled. so since u have joined the Club, dont regret about the fees. Dont like polo designs? nobody will force u to buy either. unhappy things leave them behind, enjoy the Competition/Exhibition tomorrow, settle your exams then start fresh.

Hey, as i will be overseas for X'mas & possibly NY, let me wish everyone a Merry X'Mas & Happy NY in advance!! :-)

[ben fox wong]

there is no need to completely zip up. if it is about how to keep fish better, diseases, what cameras to buy etc, i'm sure no one will stop u. but u need to be careful on what u say on other things & more importantly, how u say it. u may have good intentions, but if u phrase it wrongly, it will give others the wrong impressions. once u step into the working world, start earning your money, u got bigger budget (also bigger problems) than now as a student, u will find $60 for yearly fees or $25/or designs for a polo is secondary to worry about. also in the working world, pple wont tell u off directly like now in this forum with real names. u might be quietly culled. so since u have joined the Club, dont regret about the fees. Dont like polo designs? nobody will force u to buy either. unhappy things leave them behind, enjoy the Competition/Exhibition tomorrow, settle your exams then start fresh.

Hey, as i will be overseas for X'mas & possibly NY, let me wish everyone a Merry X'Mas & Happy NY in advance!! :-)

[ben fox wong]

there is no need to completely zip up. if it is about how to keep fish better, diseases, what cameras to buy etc, i'm sure no one will stop u. but u need to be careful on what u say on other things & more importantly, how u say it. u may have good intentions, but if u phrase it wrongly, it will give others the wrong impressions. once u step into the working world, start earning your money, u got bigger budget (also bigger problems) than now as a student, u will find $60 for yearly fees or $25/or designs for a polo is secondary to worry about. also in the working world, pple wont tell u off directly like now in this forum with real names. u might be quietly culled. so since u have joined the Club, dont regret about the fees. Dont like polo designs? nobody will force u to buy either. unhappy things leave them behind, enjoy the Competition/Exhibition tomorrow, settle your exams then start fresh.

Hey, as i will be overseas for X'mas & possibly NY, let me wish everyone a Merry X'Mas & Happy NY in advance!! :-)

[Kelvin Tan]

Thanks for the advice ben. appreciate it. hope to meet up next time during bcs gathering.... missed you at the comp.

[Kelvin Tan]

Thanks for the advice ben. appreciate it. hope to meet up next time during bcs gathering.... missed you at the comp.

[Kelvin Tan]

Thanks for the advice ben. appreciate it. hope to meet up next time during bcs gathering.... missed you at the comp.

[Samuel Phan]

;)nice to see some mature exchange of words.

Good job guys ... what the club dun need is to have spilts amongst the members.

Kelvin ... you are one betta lover that has got much to share ... shutting up will mean a loss to the community.

[Samuel Phan]

;)nice to see some mature exchange of words.

Good job guys ... what the club dun need is to have spilts amongst the members.

Kelvin ... you are one betta lover that has got much to share ... shutting up will mean a loss to the community.

[Samuel Phan]

;)nice to see some mature exchange of words.

Good job guys ... what the club dun need is to have spilts amongst the members.

Kelvin ... you are one betta lover that has got much to share ... shutting up will mean a loss to the community.

[Chris Yew]

So how to make this the best forum with more traffic? Any suggestions?

[Myron Tay]

I think this is already the best forum with much much more matured and informed discussions. Do we really care about traffic as long as there is some?

[Kelvin Tan]

actually too little activity here la.... always come in, nothign new to read. too many laojiao here nothing to learn anymore. newbies spice things up

[Sebas]

Hi
My view is that i dont see the other forum with interesting and educational threads apart from the recent macrostoma sales, although the people there are very friendly.

[Foo Hong]

Yeap more people shld speak up. Forget those bettahan, luohan, arofartic, etc...kekeke

Age is nothing, there is no lao jiao...only lao ah pek like me and Chris.

[Chris Yew]

Yes, too little traffic and too many ah pek! No lao jiao lah. I think newbies or new members should also participate actively too.

There are currently 73 BCS members and 65 with internet connection at home or at work. So we should see more than currently in the forum. Where are the rest? I know that some are very active in other forums, but I do hope that they will come back here to make this their home.[^]

[Myron Tay]

What!!! Propose we send out an e-mail to those 8 with an e-mail account and advertise the forum, encouraging them to participate!!

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

Yes, too little traffic and too many ah pek! No lao jiao lah. I think newbies or new members should also participate actively too.

There are currently 73 BCS members and 65 with internet connection at home or at work. So we should see more than currently in the forum. Where are the rest? I know that some are very active in other forums, but I do hope that they will come back here to make this their home.[^]

[Chris Yew]

Should be 8 without emails and 65 with emails. In fact, have done that before, but I think will juz do it again before retiring, haha.
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quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

What!!! Propose we send out an e-mail to those 8 with an e-mail account and advertise the forum, encouraging them to participate!!

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

Yes, too little traffic and too many ah pek! No lao jiao lah. I think newbies or new members should also participate actively too.

There are currently 73 BCS members and 65 with internet connection at home or at work. So we should see more than currently in the forum. Where are the rest? I know that some are very active in other forums, but I do hope that they will come back here to make this their home.[^]

[Myron Tay]

There were 27 of you guys on line last Saturday (8 Feb) at about 10:40pm? Is there a mistake on the forum front page? If not, I am just sad that I missed the party! :(

[Myron Tay]

There were 27 of you guys on line last Saturday (8 Feb) at about 10:40pm? Is there a mistake on the forum front page? If not, I am just sad that I missed the party! :(

[Chris Yew]

And that's after the Chingay? haha, I must be sleeping and that's when all are partying. :D

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

There were 27 of you guys on line last Saturday (8 Feb) at about 10:40pm? Is there a mistake on the forum front page? If not, I am just sad that I missed the party! :(

[Chris Yew]

And that's after the Chingay? haha, I must be sleeping and that's when all are partying. :D

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

There were 27 of you guys on line last Saturday (8 Feb) at about 10:40pm? Is there a mistake on the forum front page? If not, I am just sad that I missed the party! :(

[Chris Yew]

Ha, back to here again.

I've been seeing the Top Poster link (top right hand side of this forum) and it's always the same old guys posting in this forum.

Maybe it's time to review our BCS forum. We have approx. 43 new members joining us since the last AGM and onli a handful start posting here. No matter how good the forum is, how detail the discussion is, it's a waste of 'resources' if it's just share by the same old guys.

If we will to open up the whole forum to the public, we are also worry that our BCS members will not 'benefit' from being members. As I have suggested, open another forum for public, and Kelvin is worried that we will hid the 'goodies' under the members onli. Ha, really don't know what to do.
[cnf]

It's not juz about forum traffic, it's about 2 main things;
1. Using this forum to have more BCS members.
2. A good forum to be read by onli 30 members is a bit .....

Any suggestions?

[Foo Hong]

Dont know.....Cant think yet.

I joined IBC as a member for abt 35 USDollars[approx 60 SGD or more ], and have been for 4 years. I never use their forum [ dont even know where it is..ha!], or participate in their shows events by taking a flight to USA [ flying over Afghanistan...yick!]. The reason i joined them bcos I think it is a prestigious organisation, I want to get to know the people there n establish contacts, get myself posted on their calendar in case I do want to send some fishes there as entries, and perhaps most importantly....I get a regular copy of their flare magazine. Probably the last item was key to my membership with IBC.

Who gives a damn abt their forum....I heard its full of crap there too. So likewise it is not the forum traffic that matters or guages a club altho having said it is gud to see more traffic. Maybe we should try to match their flare magazine in terms of quality.

[Chris Yew]

Guess it's about this 2 main points that I'm interested in;

It's not juz about forum traffic, it's about 2 main things;
1. Using this forum to have more BCS members.
2. A good forum to be read by onli 30 members is a bit .....
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quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

Dont know.....Cant think yet.

I joined IBC as a member for abt 35 USDollars[approx 60 SGD or more ], and have been for 4 years. I never use their forum [ dont even know where it is..ha!], or participate in their shows events by taking a flight to USA [ flying over Afghanistan...yick!]. The reason i joined them bcos I think it is a prestigious organisation, I want to get to know the people there n establish contacts, get myself posted on their calendar in case I do want to send some fishes there as entries, and perhaps most importantly....I get a regular copy of their flare magazine. Probably the last item was key to my membership with IBC.

Who gives a damn abt their forum....I heard its full of crap there too. So likewise it is not the forum traffic that matters or guages a club altho having said it is gud to see more traffic. Maybe we should try to match their flare magazine in terms of quality.

[Chris Yew]

These 2 replies from Arofanatic Betta Talk forum is worth considering;

quote:hey guys I have got a suggestion to make, for the BCS website, perhaps you can open the forum page to non members or have a general discussion forum. Im not a member and I find that when we are all starting out on this hobby, we need all the help we can get. When we are really committed to it and have made friends and feel comfortable with joining a club and paying the fees, we will. However to get this committement and comfort level, we need to meet more people in forums like this. Frankly when I found out that as a non member I cant even enter a forum page of BCS even to view and not post, its like u have to pay to come in kind of feeling. Which is why forums like this one is so popular, I mean we all can come in and share our experiences and cultivate a greater love for the hobby. Instead of finding that we need to be a paying member to even read a forum... Just my thoughts. What do you guys out there think?



quote:Perhaps the best way to entice a person to join would be for him to experience the club and feel comfortable with the people. And perhaps the best way for one to experience the club and get to know the people enough to commit is to participate in a forum?

Personally, I never thought of forums as one of the exclusive benefit to joining an organisation (err... cos there's nothing really special or "cool" about forums? Lolz). Instead, I believe the forum is where more non-members can interact with the club and club members and where they can be encouraged and persuaded to join the club.

For example, Black Isle games allows non-members/customers to post and participate in the Neverwinter Nights forum but they do not have a nick (means post as guestXXX or maybe I'm wrong about the nick thing) and can't do other minor little things like forum searches etc. I believe that's their major source of new customers~

[kennho]

Chris, how about a chance of invitating non-member through recommendation from members who frequent the other boards. So no flood gate opening. Registration might be on a trial basis. Of course, I think certain restrictions needed to maintain the forum.

Since you have attacted the youngest member (how did you do that), it's good to move on to the younger generation.

[Foo Hong]

The 2 aro fans have some good points. But we need to differentiate betw our kinda forum n theirs [ at leats the types we have currently]. The aros one is like a chat room, and surely traffic is high, cos people will post msgs like..
" kekeke"
" oh I see "
" I also want leh "
" what is MWs" [ nothing wrong ]
" Wa sell what ar?"

Our forum has more meat.....and is not so like a chat room. Good that Chris had opened up a 'coffee lounge'. Thats our chat room.

If you consider the 1st aro guy's recom, then we need to think....what is outside of the forum that makes new members. Cos people are gonna be able to access the Halfmoon forums and genetics forums FOC!

More comments pls. perhaps from young but eager Moses Lim?

[Dr Hsu]

Some of the newer ones may not know but we did open the forum for "test drives" sometime last year - result was that it didn't really work, not much difference.

Answers:

1) In reality, I don't think a forum is what pulls people to a club. Many forums and lists available all over the place. If I want to learn about bettas, I'll join one or more of the free ones.

2) Don't really care how many people use the forum, read it etc, as long as it isn't full of useless chatter. More substance, less sound.....

[Foo Hong]

I agree with Hsu on this traffic thing. In some other forums, traffic may be high but a lot is nothing but repeated questions which one can find on the internet anyway if u go to a search engine like yahoo or alta vista. Howeverrrrrrrr.....these people are using the mailing list, chatrooms or forums if u like as The search engine...very easy just ask....what is microworms, what is ketapang.... all these are available on the webs actually.

quote:Originally posted by Dr Hsu

Some of the newer ones may not know but we did open the forum for "test drives" sometime last year - result was that it didn't really work, not much difference.

Answers:

1) In reality, I don't think a forum is what pulls people to a club. Many forums and lists available all over the place. If I want to learn about bettas, I'll join one or more of the free ones.

2) Don't really care how many people use the forum, read it etc, as long as it isn't full of useless chatter. More substance, less sound.....

[Chris Yew]

Oh, Moses Wong is introduced our club by Ronnie Lau. His father is Ronnie's church 'member'. Sorry I'm not too familiar should I use the word 'member'.



quote:Originally posted by kennho

Chris, how about a chance of invitating non-member through recommendation from members who frequent the other boards. So no flood gate opening. Registration might be on a trial basis. Of course, I think certain restrictions needed to maintain the forum.

Since you have attacted the youngest member (how did you do that), it's good to move on to the younger generation.

[Foo Hong]

Oh u mean its Moses Wong. I thot was Moses Lim! oppsss.

[Myron Tay]

I agree that we should maintain this forum as it is. Joining BCS is an indication that you are more serious about bettas, unlike other public free forums, whereby you can come and go into the hobby as you choose. Believe that the two can co-exist as it is and we should not be too concerned about the traffic in the BCS forum.

We should concentrate on the content and ensure that there is a free flow of sharing of valuable experience. If we succeed in this, we would need to advertise that BCS members are folks that are serious about their bettas and invite like-minded people to join us. I would like to propose that the membership fee of $60 per annum is an indication of one's commitment to advance the cause of show bettas here in Singapore. In reality, the funds is only one aspect of the work; we would also need manpower. So if you are not able to support even financially, I would suspect that the commitment would be there on the manpower level. Just my own view.

[Chris Yew]

There seems to be alot more convincing work to be done, Haha. :D

It makes me recall the past where those male artises with long hair are not allowed to perform on local TV show but nowadays who bothers. We have not seen our past PM (now SM) dance but we have seen our current PM dancing before. Ideas changed, concept changed, rules changed, most things changed over time.

So is our forum an asset or a tool for communication - is up to our members to decide. But let me convince myself first. We don't have to decide anything now, but let's discuss in details and work out the best way.[^]

[Chris Yew]

The main discussion so far is whether to open up this forum to the public or to maintain status quo. So let's weigh the pro and cons of each;

1. Maintain status quo - that is as it is now
Ha, this will be easy as no change is required and human hate changes! The forum has been set up since last year till now and we have to look at what we have achieved. I've done lots of modification and add on to the forum to make it more interesting for the members to use.

a. The forum is free from nonsense posting and is a bit 'heavy' on the serious discussion on those topics like genetics, breeding, etc... These are good for serious hobbyists like some of us but maybe a bit too 'heavy' for the beginners. Newbies tend to 'shy' away from this forum and may not even dare to post to ask a simple beginner question like how to spawn, etc... though that can be found in the FAQ.

b. Once the beginners or newbies are staying away from this forum, our commercial members will also stayed away from this forum. We are seeing our commercial members now posting in other forums like BettaHan, Arofanatics, and even in MBC! Most have not even make their 'virgin' post here yet. The reason is simple, their objective of joining is to promote and sell their bettas and if our forum does not provide them with such purpose, there is no reason for them to post here and eventually we will also loose their support or their sponsorships.

c. Our club aim is to promote the betta keeping hobby is S'pore and also to make it to the World Map! How to achieve that if most or all of our events are confined in S'pore and having a 'closed' forum. If we will to make a simple comparison between the Yahoo MBC forum and ours, guess MBC is much more 'well known' globally than BCS (sad to say that). Most foreign betta breeders or hobbyists are awared of MBC existence but not BCS.

Even if we will to make some posting regarding our recent ABC competition, all that they can access is our not so frequently updated website. Our website is also nothing to boost about frankly (using my right hand to beat my left hand, hehe). So if there's any report regarding BCS in other foreign forum, it may be distorted facts or news about us.

Since last year till now, we don't see many increase in members posting here and it makes the sharing of infos and resources a waste. We will not be able to promote the hobby effectively even locally not to mention putting our show bettas in the World Map. No doubt many such infos or resources can be found in other forums or websites, but it's good that our BCS forum can be one of them where betta lovers or hobbyists or begginers will surf to search for information.

I really don't wish to see our forum like our SCV where so much time and effort and $ has been put into it and still cannot succeed. No doubt the SCV has much more 'meat' than our TCS or U channel, but the subscribers still have not increase much.

So are we going to open up the forum doors to the public? Nothing firm yet but let's see what are the advantages.

2. Open up the Forum to Public;

a. This should be viewed as a platform to recruit more new members into the club instead of an exclusive 'library' for members. As mentioned, most details can also be found in other websites and forums, so there may not be a purpose to have a closed door forum.

b. This forum is like a hotel lobby where non members and members mingle and if the non members like our facilities, they will book a room and.. join us as members lah! Such interaction is good as building up the relationship and sharing of infos and experience is instantanous via the forum instead of having to wait till the event.

c. More foreign betta hobbyists will also be able to participate in our forum making it more interesting and we will also benefit from it. In this way, BCS will be known globally much faster. MBC has achieved that and there isn't much nonsense posting over there except for some occassionally. We can overcome that as ours is moderated.

d. We should not be too 'concerned' about those 'nonsense' post like keke, oic, I also want la, etc... BCS forum has numerous forum heading like Club issues, General, Genetics, Breeding, Selling/Buying, Coffee lounge and we are also having numerous moderators to oversee such things. We should be able to tolerate some of those posting as mentioned as currently we ourselves are also doing it. That's what the Smilies are for! We shouldn't be too serious at all times.

e. Take a look at those opened forums like the Yahoo Betta Genetically Speaking forum, etc.. and there isn't much nonsense posting there.

f. With our split up forum headings, the most we will find some 'chatting' posts in the General heading and Coffee lounge. The other more serious heading like genetics and breedings and disease/medication will still be the same.

g. Once the forum is opened up and if the environment here is less 'serious', more commercial members will participate and that will benefit the club too. Probably banner ads will be in by then.

In summary, we should see how to use our forum - whether to have it as an exclusive 'library' for members onli or a platform to induce more non members to join BCS and promote our club globally. Opening up the forum may not reduce our membership if there's enough differences in fees between members and non members during our events like competition, tour, talk, etc... We should therefore have more interesting events to attract more members in future.

Even if the forum door is opened, personally I will still hope that NO NICKS be used in this forum.

Juz my thoughts!
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[Myron Tay]

I feel that we should continue to be a 'serious' forum in which 'serious' betta issues get discussed. Let's pitch it as a more matured forum and leave those who are "merely looking" to the free forums. Let's send the message that this is a forum for serious betta breeders who are interested to take betta appreciation to the next level!

To tackle the issue of increasing international participation in this forum, I am of the view that we should invite respected international betta experts to be a part of the forum (i.e. by giving them access). One that springs to mind is Dr Gene Lucas. If we are to do so, it would naturally repel those who think that the things that are discussed are too chim or above their head. But it would spur those who are interested to find out more till they can understand what is being discussed. I would like to think I am more of the latter.
If implemented, such invited speakers would naturally not like to be part of the "keke, oic, I also want la" kind of banter, but more into the serious betta issues. They would certainly like to know who they are speaking to, so no nicks please!

[Chris Yew]

I do understand your concern. But as I've mentioned - do we want to use the forum as an exclusive members library or a platform where we can actually recruit more new non members by interactive 'gathering' -both serious and casual talk or discussion via the forum.

Take a look at every topic posted so far - be it serious like those in Genetics, Halfmoon, Breeding, etc.. or light hearted one in the Coffee Lounge. Click on the link at the top right side "Who view it" to count the number of members reading the thread. Average is about 8 to 15 members and even on those 'fire' topic - it's 20 over and seldom or never more than 30 members reading it.

Also there are many more serious free forum like Betta Genetics or Halfmoon Global where more experienced breeders and hobbyists are there to share their experiences.

Our members base is already not too many at the moment and the number of members benefit from such good serious topics are hardly more than 30 members. By the time these members have learnt enough, the number will drop even more. It's also a rather 'wasteful' that such infos are shared by onli a 'handful'.

Guess it's time to review the forum and take a look at it in the long run.


quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

I feel that we should continue to be a 'serious' forum in which 'serious' betta issues get discussed. Let's pitch it as a more matured forum and leave those who are "merely looking" to the free forums. Let's send the message that this is a forum for serious betta breeders who are interested to take betta appreciation to the next level!

To tackle the issue of increasing international participation in this forum, I am of the view that we should invite respected international betta experts to be a part of the forum (i.e. by giving them access). One that springs to mind is Dr Gene Lucas. If we are to do so, it would naturally repel those who think that the things that are discussed are too chim or above their head. But it would spur those who are interested to find out more till they can understand what is being discussed. I would like to think I am more of the latter.
If implemented, such invited speakers would naturally not like to be part of the "keke, oic, I also want la" kind of banter, but more into the serious betta issues. They would certainly like to know who they are speaking to, so no nicks please!

[Phil]

I concur with Myron's suggestion. I am not in favour of opening up the forum as a freebees for freebees.

[Kelvin Tan]

so is this forum worth $60/$30?

[Myron Tay]

Does BCS = BCS forum only?

Kelvin, maybe you can tell us the current perception of non-members.

quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

so is this forum worth $60/$30?

[Kelvin Tan]

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

Does BCS = BCS forum only?

Kelvin, maybe you can tell us the current perception of non-members.

quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

so is this forum worth $60/$30?



yah lo since bcs is not = bcs forum, why not open it up? make more frens.

as for curent perception, read in arofanatics lo. kekek.

[Ong Ginyew]

may b we can include some chat services like MIRC...hehe.
or was it mentioned b 4....then i too outdated liao....lol

[Foo Hong]

How come still asking the question of $60/$30. When will the asking stop?

quote:Originally posted by Kelvin Tan

so is this forum worth $60/$30?

[Sebas]

I have something to say....i feel rather frustrated reading the forum these few days.

and kelvin, i wonder if you can remember things clearly, most people here are not joining BCS for the forum's sake. I mean if the perception of the people there at arofanatics is that joining the BCS forum takes 30/60 bucks, i think you have to correct that thinking of yours and and the others there.

[Foo Hong]

At the recent rate our forum is going lately, it would be quite embarassing if we open it up to the public who will get to read all these 'juicy' stuffs.

sigh...maybe should reconsider.....

[Sebas]

FH, i think the best advice to the people here is simply go and start breed more bettas, thats what i enjoy most, dont noe about the others.

Anyway, if the forum is to be open up, i say that we remove the 'Lets make this forum the best', 'vote whether BCS should open up the forum' etc threads. That will make it less embarassing

[Foo Hong]

Thats what I meant Sebas. Some times people comment that woow FH how u breed this nice betta. I told them I just breed, breed n breed!

[ben fox wong]

Myron, this is what i meant in the other thread.

quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

At the recent rate our forum is going lately, it would be quite embarassing if we open it up to the public who will get to read all these 'juicy' stuffs.

sigh...maybe should reconsider.....

[Dr Hsu]

I suppose this is really a "club issue" so I think Chris will likely put it into the "members' only" area.

[Foo Hong]

but publicise our coffee shop-jokes forum [eb]

[Chris Yew]

Heh guys, pls read carefully on which forum topic is opened up and which is not. The President mind is still CLEAR though the bottom is not! [bt]

quote:Originally posted by Dr Hsu

I suppose this is really a "club issue" so I think Chris will likely put it into the "members' only" area.