BCS Announcement: 2nd National Betta Competition

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Guys,

Finally, here are the details for the much awaited 2nd National Betta Competition organised by Betta Club(Singapore). The 2nd National Betta Competition will be held in conjunction with the 1st Asian Betta Competition where participants from neighboring countries
will be taking part.

Winners from the 2nd National Betta Competition will be shortlisted to represent Singapore in the 1st Asian Betta Competition where local winners compete against other participating countries which includes Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. Invited countries also includes Japan, Hong Kong and Taiwan.

This is a chance not to be missed where local breeders get a chance to pit their fishes against breeders from other countries. So hesitate no further ... sign up for the competition now!!!

Here are the details ...

Date/Time:
5 December 2002 (Thur)- Benching In (6pm to 8pm)
6 December 2002 (Fri) - Judging (9am to 12pm)
Open to Public (12pm to 9pm)
Prize Presentation (7pm)
7 December 2002 (Sat) - Open to Public (9am to 4pm)
Collection of fish by participants
(4pm to 5pm)

Venue:
Kebun Baru Community Club (Multi-purpose Hall)

The registration fee per fish is:
- $10(BCS members)
- $15(non-members)

For more details, please visit:
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/events_10.htm

The entry form:
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/2NBC_forms.doc

The rules and regulation:
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/2NBC_rules.doc

The location map:
http://www.streetdirectory.com.sg/mapsize2.cgi?x=28491&y=39425&level=7&xyfile=&circle=&star=1&heading=

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
BCS Events/Activities Organiser

[Steven Cheng]

Hi Samuel,
May I post a question here? Does the 3.5 cm body minimum body length apply to wild type category?

[Steven Cheng]

Hi Samuel,
May I post a question here? Does the 3.5 cm body minimum body length apply to wild type category?

[Dr Hsu]

Hi Steven,

That's a good question.....

Just off the cuff, before discussion with the rest of the committee, I would have to say that it would not - 'cause there are some species which would be small eg coccina. Of course, all things being equal, a large adult would have the advantage over a small one.

[Dr Hsu]

Hi Steven,

That's a good question.....

Just off the cuff, before discussion with the rest of the committee, I would have to say that it would not - 'cause there are some species which would be small eg coccina. Of course, all things being equal, a large adult would have the advantage over a small one.

[Steven Cheng]

Thanks. That's a relief.

[Steven Cheng]

Thanks. That's a relief.

[kennho]

A few things to ask ...

1. Isn't Plakat wild ? Class D and E
2. Since we have a few of those "hybrids" plakat crown tail or plakat dt, how do we put these hybrid under ?
3. size of female must be the same as the male ?

[kennho]

A few things to ask ...

1. Isn't Plakat wild ? Class D and E
2. Since we have a few of those "hybrids" plakat crown tail or plakat dt, how do we put these hybrid under ?
3. size of female must be the same as the male ?

[Chris Yew]

Dr. Hsu, can you answer to Kenneth quesion?

[Chris Yew]

Dr. Hsu, can you answer to Kenneth quesion?

[Dr Hsu]

In our context:

Plakat = short fin betta splendens
(wild splendens looks nothing like our domesticated plakats)

Technically, hybrids are not allowed - we do not have an "inter-generic betta" class like MBA (should be "inter-specific" as they are actually all in the genus Betta but it's MBA's show....:)) However, by F2/F3/F4 generally they will look like domestic splendens so they can be entered in their respective classes Eg blue mask plakats are likely originally bred by crossing to imbellis, but now they breed true and look like plakats.

Females should follow the size rule - basically it's a fin size difference, and anyway, most females grow faster than males anyway!

[Dr Hsu]

In our context:

Plakat = short fin betta splendens
(wild splendens looks nothing like our domesticated plakats)

Technically, hybrids are not allowed - we do not have an "inter-generic betta" class like MBA (should be "inter-specific" as they are actually all in the genus Betta but it's MBA's show....:)) However, by F2/F3/F4 generally they will look like domestic splendens so they can be entered in their respective classes Eg blue mask plakats are likely originally bred by crossing to imbellis, but now they breed true and look like plakats.

Females should follow the size rule - basically it's a fin size difference, and anyway, most females grow faster than males anyway!

[Jonathan_Tan]

hi guys,
i've not received my membership card yet as i've just joined.
wat membership number should i fill in on the entry form?

[Jonathan_Tan]

hi guys,
i've not received my membership card yet as i've just joined.
wat membership number should i fill in on the entry form?

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Jonathan,

No problem ... at BCS we have the membership list that we can refer to in such event.
You have yet to receive your membership no. because you have just signed up ...

If you are sending in any of your entries ... just indicate that you are a new member ... we will fill the rest in for you.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Jonathan,

No problem ... at BCS we have the membership list that we can refer to in such event.
You have yet to receive your membership no. because you have just signed up ...

If you are sending in any of your entries ... just indicate that you are a new member ... we will fill the rest in for you.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

[Chris Yew]

Hi Jonathan,

If your full name is Jonathan Tan Zhi Ming, then your memebership number is 148/01. We are in the process of updating our membership list and sending out the membership card, but pls bear with us for a little while more as our server is having some technical problems.

Thank you.


quote:Originally posted by Jonathan_Tan

hi guys,
i've not received my membership card yet as i've just joined.
wat membership number should i fill in on the entry form?

[Chris Yew]

Hi Jonathan,

If your full name is Jonathan Tan Zhi Ming, then your memebership number is 148/01. We are in the process of updating our membership list and sending out the membership card, but pls bear with us for a little while more as our server is having some technical problems.

Thank you.


quote:Originally posted by Jonathan_Tan

hi guys,
i've not received my membership card yet as i've just joined.
wat membership number should i fill in on the entry form?

[Chris Yew]

Hi guys,

12 days left for the registration of 2nd National Betta Competition (Closing date : 25 Nov 2002). Download entry forms at BCS website www.bettaclub.org.sg or alternate site at http://bettasonli.netfirms.com/2NBC.html

Pls submit your entries early to avoid last minute rush. If the fish you submitted in the entry is not in good health juz before benching in, we allow a one to one change even though it's not from the same category. But we will not allow any additional entry or any refund of fees for none benching in.

Our panel of judges include Mr. Atison (Thailand), Mr. TK Lee (Malaysia) and Dr. Sun (Singapore).

More details will be released soon....Stay tune.

Chris Yew

[Chris Yew]

Hi guys,

12 days left for the registration of 2nd National Betta Competition (Closing date : 25 Nov 2002). Download entry forms at BCS website www.bettaclub.org.sg or alternate site at http://bettasonli.netfirms.com/2NBC.html

Pls submit your entries early to avoid last minute rush. If the fish you submitted in the entry is not in good health juz before benching in, we allow a one to one change even though it's not from the same category. But we will not allow any additional entry or any refund of fees for none benching in.

Our panel of judges include Mr. Atison (Thailand), Mr. TK Lee (Malaysia) and Dr. Sun (Singapore).

More details will be released soon....Stay tune.

Chris Yew

[Chris Yew]

Hi guys,

4 days left for the registration of 2nd National Betta Competition (Closing date : 25 Nov 2002). If you have yet to send in your entry forms, do so today! Hurry!

Download entry forms at BCS website www.bettaclub.org.sg or alternate site at http://bettasonli.netfirms.com/2NBC.html

Pls submit your entries early to avoid last minute rush. If the fish you submitted in the entry is not in good health juz before benching in, we allow a one to one change even though it's not from the same category. But we will not allow any additional entry or any refund of fees for none benching in.

Our panel of judges include Mr. Atison (Thailand), Mr. TK Lee (Malaysia) and Dr. Sun (Singapore).

More details will be released soon....Stay tune.

[Chris Yew]

Hi guys,

4 days left for the registration of 2nd National Betta Competition (Closing date : 25 Nov 2002). If you have yet to send in your entry forms, do so today! Hurry!

Download entry forms at BCS website www.bettaclub.org.sg or alternate site at http://bettasonli.netfirms.com/2NBC.html

Pls submit your entries early to avoid last minute rush. If the fish you submitted in the entry is not in good health juz before benching in, we allow a one to one change even though it's not from the same category. But we will not allow any additional entry or any refund of fees for none benching in.

Our panel of judges include Mr. Atison (Thailand), Mr. TK Lee (Malaysia) and Dr. Sun (Singapore).

More details will be released soon....Stay tune.

[Chris Yew]

Hi,

***GOOD NEWS****
The Closing Date for registration for the 2nd National Betta Competition has been extended till 29 Nov 2002 (Fri) instead of 25 Nov 2002.

If you have yet to send in your entry forms, do so today! Hurry!

Download entry forms at BCS website www.bettaclub.org.sg or alternate site at http://bettasonli.netfirms.com/2NBC.html

Pls submit your entries early to avoid last minute rush. If the fish you submitted in the entry is not in good health juz before benching in, we allow a one to one change even though it's not from the same category. But we will not allow any additional entry or any refund of fees for none benching in.

[Chris Yew]

Hi,

***GOOD NEWS****
The Closing Date for registration for the 2nd National Betta Competition has been extended till 29 Nov 2002 (Fri) instead of 25 Nov 2002.

If you have yet to send in your entry forms, do so today! Hurry!

Download entry forms at BCS website www.bettaclub.org.sg or alternate site at http://bettasonli.netfirms.com/2NBC.html

Pls submit your entries early to avoid last minute rush. If the fish you submitted in the entry is not in good health juz before benching in, we allow a one to one change even though it's not from the same category. But we will not allow any additional entry or any refund of fees for none benching in.

[Chris Yew]

Hi BCS Members,

This is a chance not to missed by all betta fanatics.

BCS is planning to hold an auction on the last day of the BCS competition - 7th Dec. at 1pm.

After the benching on 5th Dec and the judging and prize presentation
on 6th Dec. The fishes will be on display till 7th Dec 1pm. After
which the winning fishes will be auction off to the public at pre-
determined price set by the participants.

So dun let this chance slip by ... join us at the auction on 7th Dec
at about 1pm where winning fishes from Malaysia/Indonesia/Thailand
and Singapore will be auction off.

Just some information regarding the auction:
- Only the winning fishes will be auction off.
- Other competition fishes that are not in the winning list will be
sold off at the 'side-line' at predetermined price ... so it is a first-come-first-serve kind of transaction. All sales will be handled by BCS. There will be a price tag on the tank of the fish, and the interested buyer will go to the BCS booth to pay up. Collection of fish will be after 4pm on 7 Dec.
- All sales and auction will be subjected to a 25% commission to BCS funds with the remaining 75% going back to the sellers.
(PS: Sellers will have to indicate at the benching time whether their
participating fish is for auction and sale and what is the intended price. This will be the base price for the auction in the event that the fish emerge as a winner. If not, the intended price will be the eventual sale price for the 'side-line' sales)
- The increments of price for the auction fishes will be at the
discretion of the auction master (auctioneer) based on the response from the bidding crowd.

So guys ... it is time to start saving for your dream betta.

***You may download your Benching In Form here;
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/2NBC%20Benching%20In.xls

[Chris Yew]

Hi BCS Members,

This is a chance not to missed by all betta fanatics.

BCS is planning to hold an auction on the last day of the BCS competition - 7th Dec. at 1pm.

After the benching on 5th Dec and the judging and prize presentation
on 6th Dec. The fishes will be on display till 7th Dec 1pm. After
which the winning fishes will be auction off to the public at pre-
determined price set by the participants.

So dun let this chance slip by ... join us at the auction on 7th Dec
at about 1pm where winning fishes from Malaysia/Indonesia/Thailand
and Singapore will be auction off.

Just some information regarding the auction:
- Only the winning fishes will be auction off.
- Other competition fishes that are not in the winning list will be
sold off at the 'side-line' at predetermined price ... so it is a first-come-first-serve kind of transaction. All sales will be handled by BCS. There will be a price tag on the tank of the fish, and the interested buyer will go to the BCS booth to pay up. Collection of fish will be after 4pm on 7 Dec.
- All sales and auction will be subjected to a 25% commission to BCS funds with the remaining 75% going back to the sellers.
(PS: Sellers will have to indicate at the benching time whether their
participating fish is for auction and sale and what is the intended price. This will be the base price for the auction in the event that the fish emerge as a winner. If not, the intended price will be the eventual sale price for the 'side-line' sales)
- The increments of price for the auction fishes will be at the
discretion of the auction master (auctioneer) based on the response from the bidding crowd.

So guys ... it is time to start saving for your dream betta.

***You may download your Benching In Form here;
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/2NBC%20Benching%20In.xls

[Chris Yew]

Thank You To Our Sponsors For 2nd National Betta Competition and 1st Asian Betta Competition

The BCS Committee would like to say a BIG THANK YOU to all our sponsors for our 2 major competitions! Our sponsors are;
- Acro-Asia Resources Pte Ltd
- Straits Aquariums Pte Ltd
- White Aquarium

[Chris Yew]

Thank You To Our Sponsors For 2nd National Betta Competition and 1st Asian Betta Competition

The BCS Committee would like to say a BIG THANK YOU to all our sponsors for our 2 major competitions! Our sponsors are;
- Acro-Asia Resources Pte Ltd
- Straits Aquariums Pte Ltd
- White Aquarium

[Chris Yew]

Hi,

4 Days left to submit your entries for 2nd National Betta
Competition. The closing date has been extended till 29 Nov 2002
(Fri). You may collect your entry forms from major lfs or download it
from http://www.bettaclub.org.sg

Hurry! Send in your entries together with your cheque now! Don't wait.

Chris Yew

[Chris Yew]

Hi,

4 Days left to submit your entries for 2nd National Betta
Competition. The closing date has been extended till 29 Nov 2002
(Fri). You may collect your entry forms from major lfs or download it
from http://www.bettaclub.org.sg

Hurry! Send in your entries together with your cheque now! Don't wait.

Chris Yew

[Foo Hong]

5 days and counting down

[Foo Hong]

5 days and counting down

[Samuel Phan]

3 more days ...

[Samuel Phan]

3 more days ...

[Chris Yew]

What you can expect in the 2nd National Betta Competition and 1st Asian Competition;

- There are more than 200 entries for the 2nd NBC! Cheers!
- There are more than 150 entries for the 1st ABC! Cheers!
- For the ABC, we have entries from S'pore, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Japan and Hong Kong!
- The venue will be open to the public on the 6 Dec Fri from 9am to 9pm and 7 Dec Sat from 9am to 4pm.
- On the 6 Dec, the competition fish will only be open for public viewing after the judging from 12pm + onwards.
- 2 of our sponsors : White Aquarium and Acro-Asia (SERA and Project) will be setting up booth there. So catch them for a good bargain when the venue is open to the public at 9am!
- The MP for AMK GRC will be giving out the prizes on the 6 Dec at 7pm, so be there to support your fellow members or to receive your prizes.
- There will be sales of the participating fishes (look out for price tag on the tank and make payment at the BCS booth, collect at 4pm on the 7 Dec) and auction of the winning fishes. The auction will start at 1pm on the 7 Dec Sat. Don't miss it!
- You may purchase your new BCS Polo T-shirt on the 6 and 7 Dec. Cash and collect. $30 each (BCS members less $5 - $25 each).
- You may also purchase Bettas Posters there.
- For non-members, you may register and join BCS as members there too.

See you guys!

[Chris Yew]

What you can expect in the 2nd National Betta Competition and 1st Asian Competition;

- There are more than 200 entries for the 2nd NBC! Cheers!
- There are more than 150 entries for the 1st ABC! Cheers!
- For the ABC, we have entries from S'pore, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Japan and Hong Kong!
- The venue will be open to the public on the 6 Dec Fri from 9am to 9pm and 7 Dec Sat from 9am to 4pm.
- On the 6 Dec, the competition fish will only be open for public viewing after the judging from 12pm + onwards.
- 2 of our sponsors : White Aquarium and Acro-Asia (SERA and Project) will be setting up booth there. So catch them for a good bargain when the venue is open to the public at 9am!
- The MP for AMK GRC will be giving out the prizes on the 6 Dec at 7pm, so be there to support your fellow members or to receive your prizes.
- There will be sales of the participating fishes (look out for price tag on the tank and make payment at the BCS booth, collect at 4pm on the 7 Dec) and auction of the winning fishes. The auction will start at 1pm on the 7 Dec Sat. Don't miss it!
- You may purchase your new BCS Polo T-shirt on the 6 and 7 Dec. Cash and collect. $30 each (BCS members less $5 - $25 each).
- You may also purchase Bettas Posters there.
- For non-members, you may register and join BCS as members there too.

See you guys!

[kennho]

That's a good show. Better quality of fishes displayed compared to the 1st competition. Erh ... what was that Grand Champion fish ? Multi-colored, crowntail ? I still puzzling. One of the tank was pretty cloudy. I think BCS should have made some decisions to remove, replace or watever. Anyway, chat with some other countries participants and have a good great afternoon there.

A few things to point out :
1. Should put up categories of winner instead of just colored star. I looked back some of my comments after the 1st competition, this will be my second time making the same statement. I brought along some friends, they asked me what are all these stars. I pointed to them, an A4 size print-out with stars on it. Erh ...
2. Placing special rack for Grand Champ and 1st prize winners of each cat. I think these are the fishes that give the show that special touch. Like a Grand stand.
3. I don't think there was a space constraint. Give more space between each rack. It provide "interactive" space for owners and viewers. And for the helpers to keep an eyes on "itchy hands".
4. I thought sales of fishes should go thru BCS. Why was there a separate "stall" busy selling small packets of fish ?
5. Sale and collection of the T-shirt seems weird to me. Not pointing that it's not good to sell there. But noone ask me to produce my membership card to ensure that the amount for T-shirt is paid correctly. Furthermore, since ordering was done before hand, there should have a list of names for pre-ordered. For administrative point of view, a big big negative.
6. The sponsors seems quiet. Sera counter got "spider-webs".

You might referred to Bettahan msg 14031 for my previous comments.

[kennho]

That's a good show. Better quality of fishes displayed compared to the 1st competition. Erh ... what was that Grand Champion fish ? Multi-colored, crowntail ? I still puzzling. One of the tank was pretty cloudy. I think BCS should have made some decisions to remove, replace or watever. Anyway, chat with some other countries participants and have a good great afternoon there.

A few things to point out :
1. Should put up categories of winner instead of just colored star. I looked back some of my comments after the 1st competition, this will be my second time making the same statement. I brought along some friends, they asked me what are all these stars. I pointed to them, an A4 size print-out with stars on it. Erh ...
2. Placing special rack for Grand Champ and 1st prize winners of each cat. I think these are the fishes that give the show that special touch. Like a Grand stand.
3. I don't think there was a space constraint. Give more space between each rack. It provide "interactive" space for owners and viewers. And for the helpers to keep an eyes on "itchy hands".
4. I thought sales of fishes should go thru BCS. Why was there a separate "stall" busy selling small packets of fish ?
5. Sale and collection of the T-shirt seems weird to me. Not pointing that it's not good to sell there. But noone ask me to produce my membership card to ensure that the amount for T-shirt is paid correctly. Furthermore, since ordering was done before hand, there should have a list of names for pre-ordered. For administrative point of view, a big big negative.
6. The sponsors seems quiet. Sera counter got "spider-webs".

You might referred to Bettahan msg 14031 for my previous comments.

[kennho]

That's a good show. Better quality of fishes displayed compared to the 1st competition. Erh ... what was that Grand Champion fish ? Multi-colored, crowntail ? I still puzzling. One of the tank was pretty cloudy. I think BCS should have made some decisions to remove, replace or watever. Anyway, chat with some other countries participants and have a good great afternoon there.

A few things to point out :
1. Should put up categories of winner instead of just colored star. I looked back some of my comments after the 1st competition, this will be my second time making the same statement. I brought along some friends, they asked me what are all these stars. I pointed to them, an A4 size print-out with stars on it. Erh ...
2. Placing special rack for Grand Champ and 1st prize winners of each cat. I think these are the fishes that give the show that special touch. Like a Grand stand.
3. I don't think there was a space constraint. Give more space between each rack. It provide "interactive" space for owners and viewers. And for the helpers to keep an eyes on "itchy hands".
4. I thought sales of fishes should go thru BCS. Why was there a separate "stall" busy selling small packets of fish ?
5. Sale and collection of the T-shirt seems weird to me. Not pointing that it's not good to sell there. But noone ask me to produce my membership card to ensure that the amount for T-shirt is paid correctly. Furthermore, since ordering was done before hand, there should have a list of names for pre-ordered. For administrative point of view, a big big negative.
6. The sponsors seems quiet. Sera counter got "spider-webs".

You might referred to Bettahan msg 14031 for my previous comments.

[Foo Hong]

A few things to point out :
1. Should put up categories of winner instead of just colored star. I looked back some of my comments after the 1st competition, this will be my second time making the same statement. I brought along some friends, they asked me what are all these stars. I pointed to them, an A4 size print-out with stars on it. Erh ...
<<the categories are there on each tank labelled A1, A2, so on.....each on a stickers. Small as it is, it allows identification...more for purpose of judging, etc.....The stars...well yes I do agree to certain extend cos I only returned on day 2 night to spore. I also was trying to find out what the stars mean. But was not too much a probleme evtually bcos there was a list on the rack. Noticed most people looked at those with whatever stars there was 'colour or number of stars' cos they probably figure out these were winners anyway. Think also from last competition, we didnt want to paste the tank till it looks liek a xmas tree >>
2. Placing special rack for Grand Champ and 1st prize winners of each cat. I think these are the fishes that give the show that special touch. Like a Grand stand. << qarrr,,..yes n no. If that is done all the bees will flock to the ;flowers'.....those poor winners will be decarded many times and will flare till they tear. Actually many nonplaced fishes were quite good also, so maybe we should grandstand the winners....give others a chance >>
3. I don't think there was a space constraint. Give more space between each rack. It provide "interactive" space for owners and viewers. And for the helpers to keep an eyes on "itchy hands".
4. I thought sales of fishes should go thru BCS. Why was there a separate "stall" busy selling small packets of fish ? << the auditorium was big. I am not so sure if we should further space out cos it will be diff to spot 'stealers'. I noticed myself one bloke was sticking his finger inside one tank....I spotted it bcos I was behind the next rack and saw it through the rack. had it been further I dont know. One primary focus this time round was not let another theft occur. Which small Stall....I was not sure? >>
5. Sale and collection of the T-shirt seems weird to me. Not pointing that it's not good to sell there. But noone ask me to produce my membership card to ensure that the amount for T-shirt is paid correctly. Furthermore, since ordering was done before hand, there should have a list of names for pre-ordered. For administrative point of view, a big big negative. << Yes agree. oh maybe they recognised the members?>>
6. The sponsors seems quiet. Sera counter got "spider-webs". << dont know....cant comments>>

[Foo Hong]

A few things to point out :
1. Should put up categories of winner instead of just colored star. I looked back some of my comments after the 1st competition, this will be my second time making the same statement. I brought along some friends, they asked me what are all these stars. I pointed to them, an A4 size print-out with stars on it. Erh ...
<<the categories are there on each tank labelled A1, A2, so on.....each on a stickers. Small as it is, it allows identification...more for purpose of judging, etc.....The stars...well yes I do agree to certain extend cos I only returned on day 2 night to spore. I also was trying to find out what the stars mean. But was not too much a probleme evtually bcos there was a list on the rack. Noticed most people looked at those with whatever stars there was 'colour or number of stars' cos they probably figure out these were winners anyway. Think also from last competition, we didnt want to paste the tank till it looks liek a xmas tree >>
2. Placing special rack for Grand Champ and 1st prize winners of each cat. I think these are the fishes that give the show that special touch. Like a Grand stand. << qarrr,,..yes n no. If that is done all the bees will flock to the ;flowers'.....those poor winners will be decarded many times and will flare till they tear. Actually many nonplaced fishes were quite good also, so maybe we should grandstand the winners....give others a chance >>
3. I don't think there was a space constraint. Give more space between each rack. It provide "interactive" space for owners and viewers. And for the helpers to keep an eyes on "itchy hands".
4. I thought sales of fishes should go thru BCS. Why was there a separate "stall" busy selling small packets of fish ? << the auditorium was big. I am not so sure if we should further space out cos it will be diff to spot 'stealers'. I noticed myself one bloke was sticking his finger inside one tank....I spotted it bcos I was behind the next rack and saw it through the rack. had it been further I dont know. One primary focus this time round was not let another theft occur. Which small Stall....I was not sure? >>
5. Sale and collection of the T-shirt seems weird to me. Not pointing that it's not good to sell there. But noone ask me to produce my membership card to ensure that the amount for T-shirt is paid correctly. Furthermore, since ordering was done before hand, there should have a list of names for pre-ordered. For administrative point of view, a big big negative. << Yes agree. oh maybe they recognised the members?>>
6. The sponsors seems quiet. Sera counter got "spider-webs". << dont know....cant comments>>

[Foo Hong]

A few things to point out :
1. Should put up categories of winner instead of just colored star. I looked back some of my comments after the 1st competition, this will be my second time making the same statement. I brought along some friends, they asked me what are all these stars. I pointed to them, an A4 size print-out with stars on it. Erh ...
<<the categories are there on each tank labelled A1, A2, so on.....each on a stickers. Small as it is, it allows identification...more for purpose of judging, etc.....The stars...well yes I do agree to certain extend cos I only returned on day 2 night to spore. I also was trying to find out what the stars mean. But was not too much a probleme evtually bcos there was a list on the rack. Noticed most people looked at those with whatever stars there was 'colour or number of stars' cos they probably figure out these were winners anyway. Think also from last competition, we didnt want to paste the tank till it looks liek a xmas tree >>
2. Placing special rack for Grand Champ and 1st prize winners of each cat. I think these are the fishes that give the show that special touch. Like a Grand stand. << qarrr,,..yes n no. If that is done all the bees will flock to the ;flowers'.....those poor winners will be decarded many times and will flare till they tear. Actually many nonplaced fishes were quite good also, so maybe we should grandstand the winners....give others a chance >>
3. I don't think there was a space constraint. Give more space between each rack. It provide "interactive" space for owners and viewers. And for the helpers to keep an eyes on "itchy hands".
4. I thought sales of fishes should go thru BCS. Why was there a separate "stall" busy selling small packets of fish ? << the auditorium was big. I am not so sure if we should further space out cos it will be diff to spot 'stealers'. I noticed myself one bloke was sticking his finger inside one tank....I spotted it bcos I was behind the next rack and saw it through the rack. had it been further I dont know. One primary focus this time round was not let another theft occur. Which small Stall....I was not sure? >>
5. Sale and collection of the T-shirt seems weird to me. Not pointing that it's not good to sell there. But noone ask me to produce my membership card to ensure that the amount for T-shirt is paid correctly. Furthermore, since ordering was done before hand, there should have a list of names for pre-ordered. For administrative point of view, a big big negative. << Yes agree. oh maybe they recognised the members?>>
6. The sponsors seems quiet. Sera counter got "spider-webs". << dont know....cant comments>>

[kennho]

Actually, when I come to think about it, a smaller scale in a hall would have been less headache when compare to the bigger one like Aquarama 2003. With the amount of people flocking into the aqua show and touching, knocking and de-carding the betta will be a real big pain to BCS and the owners. Anyway, is BCS organising the betta competition for Aquarama or someone else.

The grandstand idea is mainly for the small scale purpose. When comes to bigger fishes (non-betta), this will be extremely difficult. Of course, only open for discussion.

Yes, I do noticed a few viewers stirring the water becos a few of the fishes are lying at the base. Thanks FH for pointing out. Brainstorm some solution like covers, lower each holding rack to restict hands from going in, etc ..

If BCS could print the category like " A1 - Steel Blue " on a laminated paper, can always used back in any competitions and shows. The sticker star is a pretty neat idea.

[kennho]

Actually, when I come to think about it, a smaller scale in a hall would have been less headache when compare to the bigger one like Aquarama 2003. With the amount of people flocking into the aqua show and touching, knocking and de-carding the betta will be a real big pain to BCS and the owners. Anyway, is BCS organising the betta competition for Aquarama or someone else.

The grandstand idea is mainly for the small scale purpose. When comes to bigger fishes (non-betta), this will be extremely difficult. Of course, only open for discussion.

Yes, I do noticed a few viewers stirring the water becos a few of the fishes are lying at the base. Thanks FH for pointing out. Brainstorm some solution like covers, lower each holding rack to restict hands from going in, etc ..

If BCS could print the category like " A1 - Steel Blue " on a laminated paper, can always used back in any competitions and shows. The sticker star is a pretty neat idea.

[kennho]

Actually, when I come to think about it, a smaller scale in a hall would have been less headache when compare to the bigger one like Aquarama 2003. With the amount of people flocking into the aqua show and touching, knocking and de-carding the betta will be a real big pain to BCS and the owners. Anyway, is BCS organising the betta competition for Aquarama or someone else.

The grandstand idea is mainly for the small scale purpose. When comes to bigger fishes (non-betta), this will be extremely difficult. Of course, only open for discussion.

Yes, I do noticed a few viewers stirring the water becos a few of the fishes are lying at the base. Thanks FH for pointing out. Brainstorm some solution like covers, lower each holding rack to restict hands from going in, etc ..

If BCS could print the category like " A1 - Steel Blue " on a laminated paper, can always used back in any competitions and shows. The sticker star is a pretty neat idea.

[Dr Hsu]

Hi Kenn,

You have some good suggestions - as always. I think the obstacle we had to making it better this time around is the lack of manpower in the weeks running up to the competition. At least half the committee were overseas or on reservist up to the last day of the competition. I myself was out of town in the preceeding week and only got back in time for the last 1/2 day and breakdown of the show. The rest of the committee worked their butts off and in some instances (eg no category labelling, writing numbers on labels rather than printed etc), the easy way out was done due to lack of time etc. If not for quite a few young helpers (unfortunately, I don't know their names) who were running around helping out, the events subcom would have collapsed on the last day!

The shop selling bettas was White Aquarium, one of our sponsors. They were allowed to sell fish and products in exchange for sponsoring part of the event. This is something that is done all the time at shows to help defray cost of putting up the show. All fishes entered in the show were sold via BCS.

We have had some other feedback and we will strive to incorporate all good workable ideas into the next show.

BTW the aquarama show is not organized by BCS. It is run by Aquarama themselves and we just help a little in the organization by giving some input. There MAY be a cash prize (still negotiating to find a sponsor), and we are hoping that Dr Gene Lucas will be one of the judges!

[Dr Hsu]

Hi Kenn,

You have some good suggestions - as always. I think the obstacle we had to making it better this time around is the lack of manpower in the weeks running up to the competition. At least half the committee were overseas or on reservist up to the last day of the competition. I myself was out of town in the preceeding week and only got back in time for the last 1/2 day and breakdown of the show. The rest of the committee worked their butts off and in some instances (eg no category labelling, writing numbers on labels rather than printed etc), the easy way out was done due to lack of time etc. If not for quite a few young helpers (unfortunately, I don't know their names) who were running around helping out, the events subcom would have collapsed on the last day!

The shop selling bettas was White Aquarium, one of our sponsors. They were allowed to sell fish and products in exchange for sponsoring part of the event. This is something that is done all the time at shows to help defray cost of putting up the show. All fishes entered in the show were sold via BCS.

We have had some other feedback and we will strive to incorporate all good workable ideas into the next show.

BTW the aquarama show is not organized by BCS. It is run by Aquarama themselves and we just help a little in the organization by giving some input. There MAY be a cash prize (still negotiating to find a sponsor), and we are hoping that Dr Gene Lucas will be one of the judges!

[Dr Hsu]

Hi Kenn,

You have some good suggestions - as always. I think the obstacle we had to making it better this time around is the lack of manpower in the weeks running up to the competition. At least half the committee were overseas or on reservist up to the last day of the competition. I myself was out of town in the preceeding week and only got back in time for the last 1/2 day and breakdown of the show. The rest of the committee worked their butts off and in some instances (eg no category labelling, writing numbers on labels rather than printed etc), the easy way out was done due to lack of time etc. If not for quite a few young helpers (unfortunately, I don't know their names) who were running around helping out, the events subcom would have collapsed on the last day!

The shop selling bettas was White Aquarium, one of our sponsors. They were allowed to sell fish and products in exchange for sponsoring part of the event. This is something that is done all the time at shows to help defray cost of putting up the show. All fishes entered in the show were sold via BCS.

We have had some other feedback and we will strive to incorporate all good workable ideas into the next show.

BTW the aquarama show is not organized by BCS. It is run by Aquarama themselves and we just help a little in the organization by giving some input. There MAY be a cash prize (still negotiating to find a sponsor), and we are hoping that Dr Gene Lucas will be one of the judges!

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Ken,

Actually you are right that there was someone selling small pkts of fishes at the competition ... that is not WA ... but a Thai breeder Sia Cho (Dun know the correct spelling) ... special arrangement have been made between him and Chris to allow the fish sale and a 25% cut of the total sales goes back to BCS.

As for water change ... that was done except that maybe you have missed us out when we are in action.

As for the T-shirt sale ... most of the time ... yes we know the person and thus verification is unnecessary.

Hope that answers some of the doubt.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Ken,

Actually you are right that there was someone selling small pkts of fishes at the competition ... that is not WA ... but a Thai breeder Sia Cho (Dun know the correct spelling) ... special arrangement have been made between him and Chris to allow the fish sale and a 25% cut of the total sales goes back to BCS.

As for water change ... that was done except that maybe you have missed us out when we are in action.

As for the T-shirt sale ... most of the time ... yes we know the person and thus verification is unnecessary.

Hope that answers some of the doubt.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Ken,

Actually you are right that there was someone selling small pkts of fishes at the competition ... that is not WA ... but a Thai breeder Sia Cho (Dun know the correct spelling) ... special arrangement have been made between him and Chris to allow the fish sale and a 25% cut of the total sales goes back to BCS.

As for water change ... that was done except that maybe you have missed us out when we are in action.

As for the T-shirt sale ... most of the time ... yes we know the person and thus verification is unnecessary.

Hope that answers some of the doubt.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

[Chris Yew]

Hi Kenneth,

Thank you for your suggestions and I do agreed that is not perfect yet and we still have lots of improvement to be made.

quote:Erh ... what was that Grand Champion fish ?
- The Grand Champion is a Female CT. The judges felt that in the halfmoon or STM or DTM cat., there's no 'breakthrough' development, and it's time for them to choose the Grand Champion from the other categories. Thus resulted in this Female Grand Champion.

quote:One of the tank was pretty cloudy. I think BCS should have made some decisions to remove, replace or watever.
- Agreed, should have been more careful with that.

quote:1. Should put up categories of winner instead of just colored star. I looked back some of my comments after the 1st competition, this will be my second time making the same statement. I brought along some friends, they asked me what are all these stars. I pointed to them, an A4 size print-out with stars on it. Erh ...


Yes, the legends are at one side of the rack to explain what the stars are. As betta tanks are small, we cannot put something better than that.

As for the results slip, these are put up sometime around after 3pm after judging. I've to spend time writing the names of the winners and verifying it with the comm. As it's pouring heavily, it caused some delay to have it photocopied. The result slips are out on the notice board, pillar and as well as on the other side of each rack.

quote:2. Placing special rack for Grand Champ and 1st prize winners of each cat. I think these are the fishes that give the show that special touch. Like a Grand stand.
- Workable if there's enough 'site patrollers' but may also cause more stress to the winning fishes as more people will tend to crowd round it.

quote:3. I don't think there was a space constraint. Give more space between each rack. It provide "interactive" space for owners and viewers. And for the helpers to keep an eyes on "itchy hands".

- Agreed

quote:4. I thought sales of fishes should go thru BCS. Why was there a separate "stall" busy selling small packets of fish ?

- Those are from the Thai participants and as they have brought along excessive fishes in case the participating ones are down. They told me when benching in and they may have problem bringing back too many fishes. So I've allowed them to sell some off but BCS will take 25% of the sales and I've Derrick Kuah to help to ensure that as he's able to communicate in Thai.

quote:5. Sale and collection of the T-shirt seems weird to me. Not pointing that it's not good to sell there. But noone ask me to produce my membership card to ensure that the amount for T-shirt is paid correctly. Furthermore, since ordering was done before hand, there should have a list of names for pre-ordered. For administrative point of view, a big big negative.

- Agreed. As it's my mistake to have forgotten to bring the list of those helpers. Should have been more careful myself. Sorry about it.

quote:6. The sponsors seems quiet. Sera counter got "spider-webs".


- Agreed. But what can be done? Probably if the venue is in a shopping area, there will be more crowd.

Kenneth, thank you for your suggestions but hope that the next time you come - pls meet up with me and have a chat though I may be busy.

[Chris Yew]

Hi Kenneth,

Thank you for your suggestions and I do agreed that is not perfect yet and we still have lots of improvement to be made.

quote:Erh ... what was that Grand Champion fish ?
- The Grand Champion is a Female CT. The judges felt that in the halfmoon or STM or DTM cat., there's no 'breakthrough' development, and it's time for them to choose the Grand Champion from the other categories. Thus resulted in this Female Grand Champion.

quote:One of the tank was pretty cloudy. I think BCS should have made some decisions to remove, replace or watever.
- Agreed, should have been more careful with that.

quote:1. Should put up categories of winner instead of just colored star. I looked back some of my comments after the 1st competition, this will be my second time making the same statement. I brought along some friends, they asked me what are all these stars. I pointed to them, an A4 size print-out with stars on it. Erh ...


Yes, the legends are at one side of the rack to explain what the stars are. As betta tanks are small, we cannot put something better than that.

As for the results slip, these are put up sometime around after 3pm after judging. I've to spend time writing the names of the winners and verifying it with the comm. As it's pouring heavily, it caused some delay to have it photocopied. The result slips are out on the notice board, pillar and as well as on the other side of each rack.

quote:2. Placing special rack for Grand Champ and 1st prize winners of each cat. I think these are the fishes that give the show that special touch. Like a Grand stand.
- Workable if there's enough 'site patrollers' but may also cause more stress to the winning fishes as more people will tend to crowd round it.

quote:3. I don't think there was a space constraint. Give more space between each rack. It provide "interactive" space for owners and viewers. And for the helpers to keep an eyes on "itchy hands".

- Agreed

quote:4. I thought sales of fishes should go thru BCS. Why was there a separate "stall" busy selling small packets of fish ?

- Those are from the Thai participants and as they have brought along excessive fishes in case the participating ones are down. They told me when benching in and they may have problem bringing back too many fishes. So I've allowed them to sell some off but BCS will take 25% of the sales and I've Derrick Kuah to help to ensure that as he's able to communicate in Thai.

quote:5. Sale and collection of the T-shirt seems weird to me. Not pointing that it's not good to sell there. But noone ask me to produce my membership card to ensure that the amount for T-shirt is paid correctly. Furthermore, since ordering was done before hand, there should have a list of names for pre-ordered. For administrative point of view, a big big negative.

- Agreed. As it's my mistake to have forgotten to bring the list of those helpers. Should have been more careful myself. Sorry about it.

quote:6. The sponsors seems quiet. Sera counter got "spider-webs".


- Agreed. But what can be done? Probably if the venue is in a shopping area, there will be more crowd.

Kenneth, thank you for your suggestions but hope that the next time you come - pls meet up with me and have a chat though I may be busy.

[Chris Yew]

Hi Kenneth,

Thank you for your suggestions and I do agreed that is not perfect yet and we still have lots of improvement to be made.

quote:Erh ... what was that Grand Champion fish ?
- The Grand Champion is a Female CT. The judges felt that in the halfmoon or STM or DTM cat., there's no 'breakthrough' development, and it's time for them to choose the Grand Champion from the other categories. Thus resulted in this Female Grand Champion.

quote:One of the tank was pretty cloudy. I think BCS should have made some decisions to remove, replace or watever.
- Agreed, should have been more careful with that.

quote:1. Should put up categories of winner instead of just colored star. I looked back some of my comments after the 1st competition, this will be my second time making the same statement. I brought along some friends, they asked me what are all these stars. I pointed to them, an A4 size print-out with stars on it. Erh ...


Yes, the legends are at one side of the rack to explain what the stars are. As betta tanks are small, we cannot put something better than that.

As for the results slip, these are put up sometime around after 3pm after judging. I've to spend time writing the names of the winners and verifying it with the comm. As it's pouring heavily, it caused some delay to have it photocopied. The result slips are out on the notice board, pillar and as well as on the other side of each rack.

quote:2. Placing special rack for Grand Champ and 1st prize winners of each cat. I think these are the fishes that give the show that special touch. Like a Grand stand.
- Workable if there's enough 'site patrollers' but may also cause more stress to the winning fishes as more people will tend to crowd round it.

quote:3. I don't think there was a space constraint. Give more space between each rack. It provide "interactive" space for owners and viewers. And for the helpers to keep an eyes on "itchy hands".

- Agreed

quote:4. I thought sales of fishes should go thru BCS. Why was there a separate "stall" busy selling small packets of fish ?

- Those are from the Thai participants and as they have brought along excessive fishes in case the participating ones are down. They told me when benching in and they may have problem bringing back too many fishes. So I've allowed them to sell some off but BCS will take 25% of the sales and I've Derrick Kuah to help to ensure that as he's able to communicate in Thai.

quote:5. Sale and collection of the T-shirt seems weird to me. Not pointing that it's not good to sell there. But noone ask me to produce my membership card to ensure that the amount for T-shirt is paid correctly. Furthermore, since ordering was done before hand, there should have a list of names for pre-ordered. For administrative point of view, a big big negative.

- Agreed. As it's my mistake to have forgotten to bring the list of those helpers. Should have been more careful myself. Sorry about it.

quote:6. The sponsors seems quiet. Sera counter got "spider-webs".


- Agreed. But what can be done? Probably if the venue is in a shopping area, there will be more crowd.

Kenneth, thank you for your suggestions but hope that the next time you come - pls meet up with me and have a chat though I may be busy.

[kennho]

Thanks guys. Just suggestions only lah. Let you guys work the brain juice out. :)

Observe something, rain loves BCS competitions and road show. Water water everywhere.

Chris, I wish I could render my assistance to BCS but due to some constraints and possible conflict of interests with the other club activities, pretty much I could remain a voice at the back bench. Next time got chance will have a chat.

[kennho]

Thanks guys. Just suggestions only lah. Let you guys work the brain juice out. :)

Observe something, rain loves BCS competitions and road show. Water water everywhere.

Chris, I wish I could render my assistance to BCS but due to some constraints and possible conflict of interests with the other club activities, pretty much I could remain a voice at the back bench. Next time got chance will have a chat.

[kennho]

Thanks guys. Just suggestions only lah. Let you guys work the brain juice out. :)

Observe something, rain loves BCS competitions and road show. Water water everywhere.

Chris, I wish I could render my assistance to BCS but due to some constraints and possible conflict of interests with the other club activities, pretty much I could remain a voice at the back bench. Next time got chance will have a chat.

[Kelvin Tan]

water change was done, in fact very quickly after i pointed out to simon that the water are cloudy for some tank and fishes seems sick. i think based on the number of fishes we had, at the end of show, the relative number of sick fish was very low. thanks to the clean plastic tanks from WA.

if anyone noticed i saw at least 2 fishes in wrong category, a dt black plakat in dt hm cat and a red ct female in red/black ct cat.

also me wondering why foo hong's white female with 180 degrees didnt get any prize...to me that was the best female, together with the gorgeous outcurving rays yellow female.

other than that, any comments of judging? or this is better left to conversation level of discussion? oops.

Great effort and well done everyone.

[Kelvin Tan]

water change was done, in fact very quickly after i pointed out to simon that the water are cloudy for some tank and fishes seems sick. i think based on the number of fishes we had, at the end of show, the relative number of sick fish was very low. thanks to the clean plastic tanks from WA.

if anyone noticed i saw at least 2 fishes in wrong category, a dt black plakat in dt hm cat and a red ct female in red/black ct cat.

also me wondering why foo hong's white female with 180 degrees didnt get any prize...to me that was the best female, together with the gorgeous outcurving rays yellow female.

other than that, any comments of judging? or this is better left to conversation level of discussion? oops.

Great effort and well done everyone.

[Kelvin Tan]

water change was done, in fact very quickly after i pointed out to simon that the water are cloudy for some tank and fishes seems sick. i think based on the number of fishes we had, at the end of show, the relative number of sick fish was very low. thanks to the clean plastic tanks from WA.

if anyone noticed i saw at least 2 fishes in wrong category, a dt black plakat in dt hm cat and a red ct female in red/black ct cat.

also me wondering why foo hong's white female with 180 degrees didnt get any prize...to me that was the best female, together with the gorgeous outcurving rays yellow female.

other than that, any comments of judging? or this is better left to conversation level of discussion? oops.

Great effort and well done everyone.

[Foo Hong]

also me wondering why foo hong's white female with 180 degrees didnt get any prize...to me that was the best female, together with the gorgeous outcurving rays yellow female.

<< dont know leh. ask the judges..kekeke. Actually I was shocked to see so many female entries, and many were very nice so picking the winner wasnt easy. Thy white girl is my reserve breeder. She will be spawned only after her auntie....hrrmmm...yes auntie [or sister of her mother....her mum who was on the competition poster!]. Actually auntie is nicer but I was too afraid to stress her so safe-keep at home. got to keep this golden goose alive, cos she had a HM phenol caudal, just like MBA president TKLee's pic of his HM turq female. Too bad my camera is damaged, otherwise could take a pic....best I ve seen in my spawns. I was made an offer of $X for the white female on display by a foreigner but decided it was better to use as own breeding stock...much to his dissapointment...ha![otherwise aquabid will soon be flooded with whites] My son actually like this fish as he said it was as white as one of the pokemon[dont know which one...but sound something like jiggerlypuff....or jigger currypuff].

The yellow female is also a reserve breeder. The better one is at home, a bit smaller but had a better proportion. As you will also know, good females are more precious than Miss Universe. To me males can die, female cannot. Oh BTW the yellow girl was placed 3rd....so not too bad either.>>>

[Foo Hong]

also me wondering why foo hong's white female with 180 degrees didnt get any prize...to me that was the best female, together with the gorgeous outcurving rays yellow female.

<< dont know leh. ask the judges..kekeke. Actually I was shocked to see so many female entries, and many were very nice so picking the winner wasnt easy. Thy white girl is my reserve breeder. She will be spawned only after her auntie....hrrmmm...yes auntie [or sister of her mother....her mum who was on the competition poster!]. Actually auntie is nicer but I was too afraid to stress her so safe-keep at home. got to keep this golden goose alive, cos she had a HM phenol caudal, just like MBA president TKLee's pic of his HM turq female. Too bad my camera is damaged, otherwise could take a pic....best I ve seen in my spawns. I was made an offer of $X for the white female on display by a foreigner but decided it was better to use as own breeding stock...much to his dissapointment...ha![otherwise aquabid will soon be flooded with whites] My son actually like this fish as he said it was as white as one of the pokemon[dont know which one...but sound something like jiggerlypuff....or jigger currypuff].

The yellow female is also a reserve breeder. The better one is at home, a bit smaller but had a better proportion. As you will also know, good females are more precious than Miss Universe. To me males can die, female cannot. Oh BTW the yellow girl was placed 3rd....so not too bad either.>>>

[Foo Hong]

also me wondering why foo hong's white female with 180 degrees didnt get any prize...to me that was the best female, together with the gorgeous outcurving rays yellow female.

<< dont know leh. ask the judges..kekeke. Actually I was shocked to see so many female entries, and many were very nice so picking the winner wasnt easy. Thy white girl is my reserve breeder. She will be spawned only after her auntie....hrrmmm...yes auntie [or sister of her mother....her mum who was on the competition poster!]. Actually auntie is nicer but I was too afraid to stress her so safe-keep at home. got to keep this golden goose alive, cos she had a HM phenol caudal, just like MBA president TKLee's pic of his HM turq female. Too bad my camera is damaged, otherwise could take a pic....best I ve seen in my spawns. I was made an offer of $X for the white female on display by a foreigner but decided it was better to use as own breeding stock...much to his dissapointment...ha![otherwise aquabid will soon be flooded with whites] My son actually like this fish as he said it was as white as one of the pokemon[dont know which one...but sound something like jiggerlypuff....or jigger currypuff].

The yellow female is also a reserve breeder. The better one is at home, a bit smaller but had a better proportion. As you will also know, good females are more precious than Miss Universe. To me males can die, female cannot. Oh BTW the yellow girl was placed 3rd....so not too bad either.>>>

[Kelvin Tan]

yes i dun really understand......yellow was third and HM white female was unplaced!! i am sure either one will have a much higher valuation rather than the grand champion. at least to me. to me, who loves white betta. and to many, we have no idea what struck us....

the judging.... think for the sake of future singapore betta competition, allow me to comment a little and refute it if you think i am talking rot again.

some have commented that point system could have been useful, but might have been too tedious. but it would be good if point system can apply to the top 3 nbc fish for each category.

many of us has seen the the finalised top 3 betta in some category, has to undergo a change in rank after the second round of judging, which shows that either the first round )which decide the nbc winners are not done well or not enough time spend on looking at the betta. my fish might be been one of those that went from 3rd place to first after second round (so you cant say i am complaining, sour grapes etc etc)
and one of the winning fish was pointed out to be of wrong coloration black red instead of ext red (a foreign breeder)

also whether it was right for judges to have competing fishes as well....i'm sure there are some ppl whispering about this....

But alas, judges decision is final, so lets just analyse this issue, without reference to the fishes.

Well all this is non of my business coz my fish has won nicely and no complains but just some points for you guys to discuss about.

[Kelvin Tan]

yes i dun really understand......yellow was third and HM white female was unplaced!! i am sure either one will have a much higher valuation rather than the grand champion. at least to me. to me, who loves white betta. and to many, we have no idea what struck us....

the judging.... think for the sake of future singapore betta competition, allow me to comment a little and refute it if you think i am talking rot again.

some have commented that point system could have been useful, but might have been too tedious. but it would be good if point system can apply to the top 3 nbc fish for each category.

many of us has seen the the finalised top 3 betta in some category, has to undergo a change in rank after the second round of judging, which shows that either the first round )which decide the nbc winners are not done well or not enough time spend on looking at the betta. my fish might be been one of those that went from 3rd place to first after second round (so you cant say i am complaining, sour grapes etc etc)
and one of the winning fish was pointed out to be of wrong coloration black red instead of ext red (a foreign breeder)

also whether it was right for judges to have competing fishes as well....i'm sure there are some ppl whispering about this....

But alas, judges decision is final, so lets just analyse this issue, without reference to the fishes.

Well all this is non of my business coz my fish has won nicely and no complains but just some points for you guys to discuss about.

[Kelvin Tan]

yes i dun really understand......yellow was third and HM white female was unplaced!! i am sure either one will have a much higher valuation rather than the grand champion. at least to me. to me, who loves white betta. and to many, we have no idea what struck us....

the judging.... think for the sake of future singapore betta competition, allow me to comment a little and refute it if you think i am talking rot again.

some have commented that point system could have been useful, but might have been too tedious. but it would be good if point system can apply to the top 3 nbc fish for each category.

many of us has seen the the finalised top 3 betta in some category, has to undergo a change in rank after the second round of judging, which shows that either the first round )which decide the nbc winners are not done well or not enough time spend on looking at the betta. my fish might be been one of those that went from 3rd place to first after second round (so you cant say i am complaining, sour grapes etc etc)
and one of the winning fish was pointed out to be of wrong coloration black red instead of ext red (a foreign breeder)

also whether it was right for judges to have competing fishes as well....i'm sure there are some ppl whispering about this....

But alas, judges decision is final, so lets just analyse this issue, without reference to the fishes.

Well all this is non of my business coz my fish has won nicely and no complains but just some points for you guys to discuss about.

[Foo Hong]

Points system is definitely better. Makes it more objective as well, and owner can know which areas he score/didnt score.
The committe is also looking in the near future to set up a set of judging standards for each categories. It is important that all fishes be judged on same grounds, irrgardless of who judges.

The comm will also be doing a post mortem n guess one of teh agenda is to see going forward, how the points system may be applied and at same time does not take too long.

IN IBC shows, judging take one full day....no fishes are viewed during judging day...at all. The judges usually get fin clamps after that!

[Foo Hong]

Points system is definitely better. Makes it more objective as well, and owner can know which areas he score/didnt score.
The committe is also looking in the near future to set up a set of judging standards for each categories. It is important that all fishes be judged on same grounds, irrgardless of who judges.

The comm will also be doing a post mortem n guess one of teh agenda is to see going forward, how the points system may be applied and at same time does not take too long.

IN IBC shows, judging take one full day....no fishes are viewed during judging day...at all. The judges usually get fin clamps after that!

[Foo Hong]

Points system is definitely better. Makes it more objective as well, and owner can know which areas he score/didnt score.
The committe is also looking in the near future to set up a set of judging standards for each categories. It is important that all fishes be judged on same grounds, irrgardless of who judges.

The comm will also be doing a post mortem n guess one of teh agenda is to see going forward, how the points system may be applied and at same time does not take too long.

IN IBC shows, judging take one full day....no fishes are viewed during judging day...at all. The judges usually get fin clamps after that!

[kennho]

Kelvin, what and how did you use your system in judging your fish and others. Saw the posting in Bettahan that you've helped a fellow hobbyist to select the winners. I am impressed by the amount of effort you have put into this hobby and walk the extra mile.

I know that one fish that are using point system where I am still learning through my mentor. Judging over 1500 entries took several hours. Of course, these are totally different from judging a betta. I believe this is one area that you can lead the committee or participate meaningfully.

[kennho]

Kelvin, what and how did you use your system in judging your fish and others. Saw the posting in Bettahan that you've helped a fellow hobbyist to select the winners. I am impressed by the amount of effort you have put into this hobby and walk the extra mile.

I know that one fish that are using point system where I am still learning through my mentor. Judging over 1500 entries took several hours. Of course, these are totally different from judging a betta. I believe this is one area that you can lead the committee or participate meaningfully.

[kennho]

Kelvin, what and how did you use your system in judging your fish and others. Saw the posting in Bettahan that you've helped a fellow hobbyist to select the winners. I am impressed by the amount of effort you have put into this hobby and walk the extra mile.

I know that one fish that are using point system where I am still learning through my mentor. Judging over 1500 entries took several hours. Of course, these are totally different from judging a betta. I believe this is one area that you can lead the committee or participate meaningfully.

[Steven Cheng]

Kelvin,
Nice meeting you at the competition. I think you are quite observant and sharp. Maybe this has something to do with your microbiology studies and training. You help picked many winning fish for your buddies and they had expressed great appreciation. The results also show that point system or not, the winners will be winners, as the judges also pick your choice fish as winners. I think point system is really helpful to many participants because they can really know the strengths and weaknesses of their fish after the judging and can improve on them in future.

I also hope that the organising committee can provide covers for the tanks especially for the plakats and wild type categories for obvious reasons.

We must also think of a fair and just way for judges to enter their fish. Excluding judges' fish from the competition would mean a big loss to the competition or the competition would find it difficult to get good judges.

[Steven Cheng]

Kelvin,
Nice meeting you at the competition. I think you are quite observant and sharp. Maybe this has something to do with your microbiology studies and training. You help picked many winning fish for your buddies and they had expressed great appreciation. The results also show that point system or not, the winners will be winners, as the judges also pick your choice fish as winners. I think point system is really helpful to many participants because they can really know the strengths and weaknesses of their fish after the judging and can improve on them in future.

I also hope that the organising committee can provide covers for the tanks especially for the plakats and wild type categories for obvious reasons.

We must also think of a fair and just way for judges to enter their fish. Excluding judges' fish from the competition would mean a big loss to the competition or the competition would find it difficult to get good judges.

[Steven Cheng]

Kelvin,
Nice meeting you at the competition. I think you are quite observant and sharp. Maybe this has something to do with your microbiology studies and training. You help picked many winning fish for your buddies and they had expressed great appreciation. The results also show that point system or not, the winners will be winners, as the judges also pick your choice fish as winners. I think point system is really helpful to many participants because they can really know the strengths and weaknesses of their fish after the judging and can improve on them in future.

I also hope that the organising committee can provide covers for the tanks especially for the plakats and wild type categories for obvious reasons.

We must also think of a fair and just way for judges to enter their fish. Excluding judges' fish from the competition would mean a big loss to the competition or the competition would find it difficult to get good judges.

[Kelvin Tan]

Actually it wasnt difficult to choose due to the good stock available. i just look at the overall of the fish, and preferably perfect HM finnage. luckily the judges also felt the same way!

cover isnt necessary, just use the extra big pieces of partition which separate the tanks on opposite side, and use that to cover the top of tank lo

[Kelvin Tan]

Actually it wasnt difficult to choose due to the good stock available. i just look at the overall of the fish, and preferably perfect HM finnage. luckily the judges also felt the same way!

cover isnt necessary, just use the extra big pieces of partition which separate the tanks on opposite side, and use that to cover the top of tank lo

[Kelvin Tan]

Actually it wasnt difficult to choose due to the good stock available. i just look at the overall of the fish, and preferably perfect HM finnage. luckily the judges also felt the same way!

cover isnt necessary, just use the extra big pieces of partition which separate the tanks on opposite side, and use that to cover the top of tank lo

[Steven Cheng]

That was what I did. However, unless you are the last person to leave the competition ground, no guarantee that the covers will stay.

[Steven Cheng]

That was what I did. However, unless you are the last person to leave the competition ground, no guarantee that the covers will stay.

[Kelvin Tan]

you cant have the best of both worlds....so just deal with what we have and most convenient la.....
also tank was different size. it would be good though if sponsors clean their tank before bring over to the competition. those cloudy tanks....

[Kelvin Tan]

you cant have the best of both worlds....so just deal with what we have and most convenient la.....
also tank was different size. it would be good though if sponsors clean their tank before bring over to the competition. those cloudy tanks....

[Chris Yew]

Those clean arcylic tanks are sponsored by White Aquarium. Those glass tank are from BCS (guessed it's sponsored by Ah San previously, not too sure, lack of memory). In fact, the helpers have tried their best to wash them before due to exhaustation and running short of time and manpower, probably didn't give it a fourth rinse again. It's really though handling so many tanks. Think the White Aquarium ones are more convenient and lighter.

[Chris Yew]

Those clean arcylic tanks are sponsored by White Aquarium. Those glass tank are from BCS (guessed it's sponsored by Ah San previously, not too sure, lack of memory). In fact, the helpers have tried their best to wash them before due to exhaustation and running short of time and manpower, probably didn't give it a fourth rinse again. It's really though handling so many tanks. Think the White Aquarium ones are more convenient and lighter.