Yellow HM

[Chee Wei]

This is one of the 2 mth old yellow HM fries. The size of spawn is approximately 120 pcs. The caudal only can reach 180 degrees occasionally. Most of the time still 170. Eggs were laid on the BW comp day 2 mths ago.


http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/**** wei/2004830213833_IMGP0561.JPG

[Alex Lim]

**** Wei,

this will not become a HM the reason being the outer edges are staggered, and not full straight edges. it's very clean and i'm sure the colour will intensify more given it's tender age.

cheers

[Bobby Chua]

Yes, I agree with Alex that this STM has staggered caudal edge. I use those fishes with bowed-out caudal edge to achieve more HM and improve HM caudal. Result... no know yet awaiting for my F3 to ready.

I don't happy with my yellow line as well. I will look for colour improvement especially those of nr2 line.

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Bobby Chua/2004831115643_HM0046.jpg

rgds
BOb

[Chee Wei]

Bobby,

How old is the fish in the pic whent he photo was taken?


Cheers

[Chee Wei]

Bobby,

How old is the fish in the pic whent he photo was taken?


Cheers

[Chee Wei]

There are quite a number of them with straight caudal but none of them are HM yet. Maybe I will take the photots again when they are 3 mths old

[Chee Wei]

There are quite a number of them with straight caudal but none of them are HM yet. Maybe I will take the photots again when they are 3 mths old

[Bobby Chua]

C.W.

He was 3 months old. I introduced cambodian red to my yellow line. It's failed so far and no intense yellow betta spotted.

rgds,
Bobby

[Bobby Chua]

C.W.

He was 3 months old. I introduced cambodian red to my yellow line. It's failed so far and no intense yellow betta spotted.

rgds,
Bobby

[sylwester]

To increase yellow. Maybe it's an idea to cross with red HM that carries blond rather than cambodian.

[sylwester]

To increase yellow. Maybe it's an idea to cross with red HM that carries blond rather than cambodian.

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by Bobby Chua

C.W.

He was 3 months old. I introduced cambodian red to my yellow line. It's failed so far and no intense yellow betta spotted.

rgds,
Bobby


Bobby,

The best yellow that I have seen are the yellows of pineapple bettas irregardless whether it's a ct, plakat or HM. The yellow is rich and intense but the only problem is the black scales that made those fish called pineapples.

To me, I believe introducing cambodian gene won't increase the intensity but reducing it. This theory is the same as reds as yellows are non-red.

I've came across some yellows with pinkish body. I believe that is due to cambodian gene.

The discussion can be found here:
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2385


[ber]

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by Bobby Chua

C.W.

He was 3 months old. I introduced cambodian red to my yellow line. It's failed so far and no intense yellow betta spotted.

rgds,
Bobby


Bobby,

The best yellow that I have seen are the yellows of pineapple bettas irregardless whether it's a ct, plakat or HM. The yellow is rich and intense but the only problem is the black scales that made those fish called pineapples.

To me, I believe introducing cambodian gene won't increase the intensity but reducing it. This theory is the same as reds as yellows are non-red.

I've came across some yellows with pinkish body. I believe that is due to cambodian gene.

The discussion can be found here:
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2385


[ber]

[derrick kuah]

bobby , cheewei,
From my experiences , the best yellow is from MG yellow.Take a look at Chris Yew ,s yellow marbled. I also have some from my mg "Throws",But #$%^&& Finnages is a problems . Already tried crossing to my yellow but sad to say also terrible.When youngs , show good potentials but always broken rays on finnages when grows into adult or bad"first ray" problems.........

[derrick kuah]

bobby , cheewei,
From my experiences , the best yellow is from MG yellow.Take a look at Chris Yew ,s yellow marbled. I also have some from my mg "Throws",But #$%^&& Finnages is a problems . Already tried crossing to my yellow but sad to say also terrible.When youngs , show good potentials but always broken rays on finnages when grows into adult or bad"first ray" problems.........

[derrick kuah]

CheeWEi,
Your young yellows are very good.THink the small one[eb][eb] is the best among the lot. Look after "him" well , you get a potential winner in the coming NBC comp..ha ha[ber]n[gd][col]

[derrick kuah]

CheeWEi,
Your young yellows are very good.THink the small one[eb][eb] is the best among the lot. Look after "him" well , you get a potential winner in the coming NBC comp..ha ha[ber]n[gd][col]

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

CheeWEi,
Your young yellows are very good.THink the small one[eb][eb] is the best among the lot. Look after "him" well , you get a potential winner in the coming NBC comp..ha ha[ber]n[gd][col]


Derrick,

Thanks for your encouragement. NBC is still a few months away and I still dont know how my fries will turn out to be. Even so, there will always be surprises. The standard is getting better each competition.[tx]. At this moment, I can only spot the potential ones. still no good HM yet. I'll see how they turn out to be end of next month.

I am taking care of them very well now..

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

CheeWEi,
Your young yellows are very good.THink the small one[eb][eb] is the best among the lot. Look after "him" well , you get a potential winner in the coming NBC comp..ha ha[ber]n[gd][col]


Derrick,

Thanks for your encouragement. NBC is still a few months away and I still dont know how my fries will turn out to be. Even so, there will always be surprises. The standard is getting better each competition.[tx]. At this moment, I can only spot the potential ones. still no good HM yet. I'll see how they turn out to be end of next month.

I am taking care of them very well now..

[Bobby Chua]

just to share with guy on the result outcrossing yellow STM and cambo red STF.

This is my original F3 cambo red line,

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Outcross result cambo red X yellow,
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close compare,
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The result was 100% red and about 5 pieces with red patch out of 50+ fishes.

I find the outcross intensify the red but too bad, many of them with black scales to their body. I don't use this outcrossed fishes. I've sold them at VT prices to the LFS. The picture taken is the last piece that i'm keeping.

This is the sibling to my red line,





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cheers,
Bobby

[Bobby Chua]

just to share with guy on the result outcrossing yellow STM and cambo red STF.

This is my original F3 cambo red line,

Attachment: icon_paperclip.gif HM0061[1].jpg (http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Bobby Chua/200491213036_HM0061[1].jpg)
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Outcross result cambo red X yellow,
Attachment: icon_paperclip.gif HM0062[1].jpg (http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Bobby Chua/200491213252_HM0062[1].jpg)
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close compare,
Attachment: icon_paperclip.gif HM0062[2].jpg (http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Bobby Chua/200491213331_HM0062[2].jpg)
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The result was 100% red and about 5 pieces with red patch out of 50+ fishes.

I find the outcross intensify the red but too bad, many of them with black scales to their body. I don't use this outcrossed fishes. I've sold them at VT prices to the LFS. The picture taken is the last piece that i'm keeping.

This is the sibling to my red line,





Attachment: icon_paperclip.gif HM0063[1].jpg (http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Bobby Chua/200491213928_HM0063[1].jpg)
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cheers,
Bobby

[derrick kuah]

Bobby ,
Why outcrossed them If you don,t use "them"????.You should use the f1. Crossing them should get you some yellow in nthe next few generation.I do that , to improve them on finnages??

[derrick kuah]

Bobby ,
Why outcrossed them If you don,t use "them"????.You should use the f1. Crossing them should get you some yellow in nthe next few generation.I do that , to improve them on finnages??

[Bobby Chua]

Derrick,

Spot on, good question. First, they're not in the form I want. Secondly all SDs no HM. Third, I will listen to your advice.LOL. I may cross this outcrossed STF with my yellow line again.

Thanks.

rgds,
Bobby

[Bobby Chua]

Derrick,

Spot on, good question. First, they're not in the form I want. Secondly all SDs no HM. Third, I will listen to your advice.LOL. I may cross this outcrossed STF with my yellow line again.

Thanks.

rgds,
Bobby

[Chee Wei]

almost 3.5 months old now.

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/**** wei/200410995221_yel 6.JPG

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/**** wei/200410995238_yel 3.JPG

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/**** wei/200410995256_yel 2.1.JPG

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/**** wei/200410995310_yel OHM.JPG

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/**** wei/200410995418_yel 13.JPG

[Myron Tay]

Great finnage, **** Wei. Very full and proportionate. Hate the colour, though.

[Alex Lim]

Bro,

been expecting your yellows for sometime liao... chio ah~ :D

[VictoriaParnell]

I love that dorsal on #4...no ventrals though?

[Chee Wei]

Alex and Myron,

The credits on the finnage must go to the person who created the parent's line, not me. These are my f1 only. Yes, I agree that the colour still have to be improved. I am trying to do that now. Hopefully can improve a little in a yr time.

Cheers,

**** Wei

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by VictoriaParnell

I love that dorsal on #4...no ventrals though?


Yes...This piece is going to be my breeder. The fish with best anal and dorsal from the whole spawn ended up without a ventral..[pf]

[Alex Lim]

**** Wei,

it's alright, my latest spawn was done with a female without ventrals. we are on the same boat man. :D

[VictoriaParnell]

quote:Originally posted by **** Wei

quote:Originally posted by Alex Lim

**** Wei,

it's alright, my latest spawn was done with a female without ventrals. we are on the same boat man. :D


I was disappointed to see that piece without a ventral. It headed straight away to breeding tank after victoria pointed out the missing ventrals.

Now I recall why this piece is without ventrals. I have a very small blk plakat spawn with every piece without ventrals. I mixed with the yellows when they are 1 month old. Maybe the because of that, the bacterias that 'eat up' the ventrals were introduced to my yellow spawn. Anyway, luckily this is the only piece without a ventral from the whole spawn.


Tough break indeed, but he's still a nice fish, will make a good breeder.

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by Alex Lim

**** Wei,

this will not become a HM the reason being the outer edges are staggered, and not full straight edges. it's very clean and i'm sure the colour will intensify more given it's tender age.

cheers


Alex,

I believe some of the shorter rays in a staggered caudal egde fish can grow long eventually. This piece has became a HM. :D:D That's why I jar almost all the males and I dont cull the fish if they are less than 3.5 months old...

Cheers,

**** Wei

[Kheng Lim]

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/kheng Lim/20041026213819_yellowHM6.jpg

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/kheng Lim/2004102621390_yellowHM4.jpg

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/kheng Lim/20041026213918_yellowHM2.jpg

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/kheng Lim/20041026213936_yellowHM3.jpg

I got these two males from **** Wei. Hope you all enjoy it.

[Alex Lim]

Kheng Lip,

your pics are really doing justice to **** Wei's yellows. Ah Tan, time to improve on your photo taking lah.

[John Chia]

Hi Kheng Lim,

Your pictures are beautiful. Can share share how you take such nice pictures. Examples are settings, lighting, set at macro?? I have been struggling with my Nikon Coolpix 3100. I get blur pictures or not so nice and the worse is lots of reflections. I tried with black background, worse, more reflections, white background, same. Nothing works. But your pictures are fantastic!! Need to learn from Si Fu [bt]

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by Alex Lim

Kheng Lip,

your pics are really doing justice to **** Wei's yellows. Ah Tan, time to improve on your photo taking lah.


The first piece Kheng Lip has is actually one of the best in terms of overall. At this moment, I only keep a few equivalent ones and the rest are just good breeders, not neccessarily best in terms of overall. I may lose to him if we send to the same competition. hehee.. I am not a commercial breeder or home breed to sell. So Kheng Lip may be the first and the last person I release fish from that particular spawn. Just in case something happen to this line at my place, I still know who to look for. I have a feeling I could mix up spawns in the future because I am doing a few lines of yellows(thrown from reds) at the moment, which have better colour in terms of intensity.

Yes, my phototaking is lousy. Maybe the lighting (daylight fluorescent lamp) I use is too strong and made the fish lose their colour in the photos.

Another thing is I always can't manage to snap when the fishs are fully flare.

Stay tuned for the better coloured yellows (but I think the finnage wont be good)

[Kheng Lim]

quote:Originally posted by John Chia

Hi Kheng Lim,

Your pictures are beautiful. Can share share how you take such nice pictures. Examples are settings, lighting, set at macro?? I have been struggling with my Nikon Coolpix 3100. I get blur pictures or not so nice and the worse is lots of reflections. I tried with black background, worse, more reflections, white background, same. Nothing works. But your pictures are fantastic!! Need to learn from Si Fu [bt]


For your camera, set to micro i believe everyone know this. Set the shutter speed to the highest. Normally i will place the fish beside windows inorder to get the natural sunlight. The best lighting would be sunny day, of cause not direct sun rays.

For the fish, you must know when will the fish going to be fully flare. Which means you have to snap the shot just before the fish flare to his fullest.

[Bobby Chua]

C.W.

Do you get any DTs out of this spawn? Look at the dorsal, huge man.

rgds,
Bobby

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by Bobby Chua

C.W.

Do you get any DTs out of this spawn? Look at the dorsal, huge man.

rgds,
Bobby


Hi Bobby,

I didn't get any DT from the spawn. I am inbreeding and outcrossing now. Will keep you update whether I get any DTs in the next generations.

Cheers,

**** Wei

[Chee Wei]

These 2 brothers are the only survivors of my first F2 spawn from velvet outbreak. If they were borned 2 weeks earlier, they may make it to NBC. I jarred them last Saturday. Waiting for their caudal to be 180 degrees.

Derrick....look at the dorsal. if nothing wrong with the caudal development, their next generation should be able to give u a run in Aquarama.

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[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by Bobby Chua

C.W.

Do you get any DTs out of this spawn? Look at the dorsal, huge man.

rgds,
Bobby


Still could not find DTs in all my 4 spawns now. I will try to get DTs by crossing them with my DT red female

[derrick kuah]

**** Wei ,
How old are there??They are good, so young , already can see the rays branchings on dorsal and caudals fins.Keep it up.
Think i have to start spawning my winners(first price winner, caudal torned)[bh][bt],Aquarama 5 months away... ha ha.Try cauth me.[be]

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

**** Wei ,
How old are there??They are good, so young , already can see the rays branchings on dorsal and caudals fins.Keep it up.
Think i have to start spawning my winners(first price winner, caudal torned)[bh][bt],Aquarama 5 months away... ha ha.Try cauth me.[be]


Derrick,

They are about 2 months plus. I will try to breed them with their mother next month because I dont have anymore female siblings left. Your yellows got 1st and 2nd in NBC. [gd]. hahaha... have to set the target to make them in the same league as your fish.

**** wei

[Bobby Chua]

my latest yellow from a very small spawn, 2 HMs only.


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[Bobby Chua]

my latest yellow from a very small spawn, 2 HMs only.


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