Eyes Inflamation

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Hi Guys,

I have a betta with a swollen eye that has gone bad. It seems that it might drop out sooner or later. Before this, the fish had a case of dropsy which was taken care of by Sera medication.
Anybody's fishie experienced this before? What medicine to use or should the eye be gorged out to save my beloved betta? It has since lost it's appetite for food.

[Foo Hong]

I actually had one female with swollen eyes that is now a one-eye jackess. the eye did drop off and was eaten by her 'roommates'.

pop eye is probably due to dirty environment

[Foo Hong]

I actually had one female with swollen eyes that is now a one-eye jackess. the eye did drop off and was eaten by her 'roommates'.

pop eye is probably due to dirty environment

[imported_n/a]

Hi Kelvin,

It's Baktopur Direct for internal bacterial. And yes, when I noticed that both eyes instead of just one is swollen, I suspected that the fish it still being infected by the bacterial(even though its abdomen and scales has already appeared normal)and has since continued with the med. Right now, don't know if the fish can tahan or not because it is still not eating and is weak.
At the same time I have another one put under the same medication because it had lost its appetite and does not grow well (due to internal bacterial according to the sera instruction). Well, its appetite has improved now after 2 days of med and that's good consolation for me. Really hope that it will pull through as it's a really nice fish which I intend to breed.

[imported_n/a]

Hi Kelvin,

It's Baktopur Direct for internal bacterial. And yes, when I noticed that both eyes instead of just one is swollen, I suspected that the fish it still being infected by the bacterial(even though its abdomen and scales has already appeared normal)and has since continued with the med. Right now, don't know if the fish can tahan or not because it is still not eating and is weak.
At the same time I have another one put under the same medication because it had lost its appetite and does not grow well (due to internal bacterial according to the sera instruction). Well, its appetite has improved now after 2 days of med and that's good consolation for me. Really hope that it will pull through as it's a really nice fish which I intend to breed.

[Samuel Phan]

Case Study:

Had a pop-eye case for one of my prize yellow plakats recently and tried to cure him using Ocean Free internal bacteria medication and was nearly successful.

The eye inflammation started off as an area or redness around the eyes which eventually caused cloudy around the eyes.

This synptoms was successfully supressed for 2 weeks before another outbreak occurs.

This time the cloudy eyes was more obvious and have swelled significantly. initial 2 water change using the same medication seems almost effective when a final water change with careless over-dosage causing the eventual death.

The guideline: 1ml to 10L of water.

[Kenny Poh]

Pop eye is actually a manifestation of a bacterial or even a protozoa infection, that usually occurs behind the eyeball itself. This is one of the signs of the dropsy syndrome, which may inlcude some or all of the other signs: raised scales and ascites due to water retention, finrot,swim bladder problem.
When the eyes are infected, the prognosis of saving the eye is pretty bad. I've gotten pretty good success using the jap yellow powder. Most of the fishes are cured but the affected eyes are lost. I've found out in such cases, it'll be prudent to carry on treatment for 1 more week before removing medication, as I've learnt through the hard way that the infection may recur with other clinical presentation if the med is removed too early, thinking that the eye has dropped and the fish is well again, albeit partially or fully blind.

These infection are usually a result of poor water quality and also the feeding of contaminated food. I usually sees them in luohans whereby the fish is fed heavily on live food like frogs and the water is ill maintained. I think it can also be quite common in bettas, as most of them are kept in jars with small water volume without proper filtration and heavily fed.

Cheers,

Kenny

[Samuel Phan]

Thanks Doc ...

[Kenny Poh]

Haha, talking about ill maintained water, I procrastinated changing water for my Cambodian butterfly SD male, and guess what? When I net the guy out of its tank, part of the tail just fell off! When I shiine light at him, only then did I noticed that the caudal fins have been frayed. Thank God he is still very much alive and active.

Ah well, he has served his purpose as a breeder, and shall be retired soon....no lah, not euthanasia lah, but to the backroom with lots of food as his pension! :-)

Kenny

[Samuel Phan]

:) ... sama sama

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Goh Kai Hui

I just lost 4 of my betta today. I noticed their mouth started to turn white then it starts spreading to the eye (eye became swollen) and the whole head. I tried all sorts of Anti fungus medicines but i am still unable to save them. What is the cause? Anyone here also experience similiar cases? Can someone please advise me. Thanks
Including the 4 just died, i already lost 5 to this disease.[V]
Kai Hui

Trust this thread would be useful to you. On the maintenance of bettas, I would refer you to the following thread: http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1531

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Goh Kai Hui

I just lost 4 of my betta today. I noticed their mouth started to turn white then it starts spreading to the eye (eye became swollen) and the whole head. I tried all sorts of Anti fungus medicines but i am still unable to save them. What is the cause? Anyone here also experience similiar cases? Can someone please advise me. Thanks
Including the 4 just died, i already lost 5 to this disease.[V]
Kai Hui

Trust this thread would be useful to you. On the maintenance of bettas, I would refer you to the following thread: http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1531

[Jodi Lea]

Quite a few Australian breeders, myself included, have had cases of dropsy appear in fish fed live blackworms, especially during summer. I have since ceased feeding live blackworms to the bettas, and so far - so good. It doesn't seem to affect the more robust cory catfish - who seem able to tolerate living in swill!
I suspect the cultures of blackworm are cesspits of bacteria, with a proliferation of growth through the hot months. Bacteria free, frozen bloodworms from now on!
Cheers, J

[Jodi Lea]

Quite a few Australian breeders, myself included, have had cases of dropsy appear in fish fed live blackworms, especially during summer. I have since ceased feeding live blackworms to the bettas, and so far - so good. It doesn't seem to affect the more robust cory catfish - who seem able to tolerate living in swill!
I suspect the cultures of blackworm are cesspits of bacteria, with a proliferation of growth through the hot months. Bacteria free, frozen bloodworms from now on!
Cheers, J

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Jodi Lea

Quite a few Australian breeders, myself included, have had cases of dropsy appear in fish fed live blackworms, especially during summer. I have since ceased feeding live blackworms to the bettas, and so far - so good. It doesn't seem to affect the more robust cory catfish - who seem able to tolerate living in swill!
I suspect the cultures of blackworm are cesspits of bacteria, with a proliferation of growth through the hot months. Bacteria free, frozen bloodworms from now on!
Cheers, J
Jodi

Over in Singapore, we have hot months all year long! I agree that unsterilised live foods are a major cause of the problems.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Jodi Lea

Quite a few Australian breeders, myself included, have had cases of dropsy appear in fish fed live blackworms, especially during summer. I have since ceased feeding live blackworms to the bettas, and so far - so good. It doesn't seem to affect the more robust cory catfish - who seem able to tolerate living in swill!
I suspect the cultures of blackworm are cesspits of bacteria, with a proliferation of growth through the hot months. Bacteria free, frozen bloodworms from now on!
Cheers, J
Jodi

Over in Singapore, we have hot months all year long! I agree that unsterilised live foods are a major cause of the problems.

[Daniel Chia]

According to Gene Wolfsheimer, author of [u]The Guide to Owning Bettas</u>, "...outward signs, such as swollen or dropsical condition, in which the abdomen enlarges, or popped eyes, are not illnesses in themselves. They are symptoms of internal trouble."

Kai Hui,
You said you'd tried numerous medications. Did you try using medications like Interpet's Aquarium Treatment No. 9 - Anti Internal Bacteria and Ocean Free's Super Internal Bacteria & Ulcer Away?

[Daniel Chia]

According to Gene Wolfsheimer, author of [u]The Guide to Owning Bettas</u>, "...outward signs, such as swollen or dropsical condition, in which the abdomen enlarges, or popped eyes, are not illnesses in themselves. They are symptoms of internal trouble."

Kai Hui,
You said you'd tried numerous medications. Did you try using medications like Interpet's Aquarium Treatment No. 9 - Anti Internal Bacteria and Ocean Free's Super Internal Bacteria & Ulcer Away?

[Goh Kai Hui]

Thanks guy for the prompt reply. I've tried WATERLIFE PROTOZIN, AQYAMEDI MULTI CURE and TETRAMEDICA FUNGISTOP.

You guys have been saying that feeding live food such as blood worms maybe the cause? Does that means we I should stop feeding them this? Coz my bettas seems to love it. U usually feed them live blood worms before i try to breed them. So far the result is good.

Aust have betta?

[Goh Kai Hui]

Thanks guy for the prompt reply. I've tried WATERLIFE PROTOZIN, AQYAMEDI MULTI CURE and TETRAMEDICA FUNGISTOP.

You guys have been saying that feeding live food such as blood worms maybe the cause? Does that means we I should stop feeding them this? Coz my bettas seems to love it. U usually feed them live blood worms before i try to breed them. So far the result is good.

Aust have betta?

[Myron Tay]

Agree with Daniel that it is most probably internal problems. Kai Hui should treat accordingly. As for whether Australia has bettas, they most certainly do:

http://www.australianbettaforums.com/forum/index.php

[Myron Tay]

Agree with Daniel that it is most probably internal problems. Kai Hui should treat accordingly. As for whether Australia has bettas, they most certainly do:

http://www.australianbettaforums.com/forum/index.php

[Tan Nguyen]

yep we have bettas here
some of our stock actually come form straits in singapore =)

[Tan Nguyen]

yep we have bettas here
some of our stock actually come form straits in singapore =)

[Jodi Lea]

Certainly the higher quality bettas are being imported from Straits, Indonesia and Thailand. I have several excellent Straita

[Jodi Lea]

Certainly the higher quality bettas are being imported from Straits, Indonesia and Thailand. I have several excellent Straita

[Daniel Chia]

Kai Hui,

I hope you've started treating your bettas with medications for internal problems and I certainly wish they get well soon.

For those who are interested, Interpet's Aquarium Treatment No. 9 - Anti Internal Bacteria and Ocean Free's Super Internal Bacteria & Ulcer Away cost about SGD$8.00 each and can be easily obtained from most aquarium fish shops.

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Daniel%20Chia/2004613151641_internalbact.jpg http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Daniel%20Chia/2004613151720_internalbact2.jpg

[Daniel Chia]

Kai Hui,

I hope you've started treating your bettas with medications for internal problems and I certainly wish they get well soon.

For those who are interested, Interpet's Aquarium Treatment No. 9 - Anti Internal Bacteria and Ocean Free's Super Internal Bacteria & Ulcer Away cost about SGD$8.00 each and can be easily obtained from most aquarium fish shops.

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Daniel%20Chia/2004613151641_internalbact.jpg http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Daniel%20Chia/2004613151720_internalbact2.jpg

[Daniel Chia]

Precha Jintasaerewonge, a Thai breeder, has this interesting tip for the treatment of Swollen Eyes.

"Keep the affected Betta in a small glass containing a half-liter of water, with a dry banana leaf. Feed your fish as usual. You will see the water turn into a tea like color, it will also develop a bad smell, and be very murky. Just leave it as it is. From anywhere in the fourth to the seventh day you will find that the swollen eyes of your fish have recovered."

For more tips from Precha Jintasaerewonge, click on the following URL.

http://www.plakatthai.com/bettatips.html

[Daniel Chia]

Precha Jintasaerewonge, a Thai breeder, has this interesting tip for the treatment of Swollen Eyes.

"Keep the affected Betta in a small glass containing a half-liter of water, with a dry banana leaf. Feed your fish as usual. You will see the water turn into a tea like color, it will also develop a bad smell, and be very murky. Just leave it as it is. From anywhere in the fourth to the seventh day you will find that the swollen eyes of your fish have recovered."

For more tips from Precha Jintasaerewonge, click on the following URL.

http://www.plakatthai.com/bettatips.html

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Toh Chen Han

According to the interpret fish health manual, swollen eyes are symptomic of:

1) dropsy (see if scales are raised also)

2) pop eye (caused by variety of factors - bacteria, parasite, poor water quality, internal disorders)

3) wasting dissease (see if fish emaciated / skin lesions)

I've often heard of people observing this symptom in fish suffering from ammonia poisoning. do you change water frequently enough?