Foo Hong
22nd April 2002, 10:51 PM
Hiya....yep yep yep its good to be specific. I just a bit lazy to type so much. And I do welcome and appreciate yr point of views[as long as you dont flame me...:)
Well Jung, I did get to see with my own eyes real fishes and also being sent pictures of some fishes before. A lot of them in Thailand will buy good lines at whatever price. I ve seen melanos with a full 180 caudal and 16 rays splitting[ not atison s lines], their reds colour is still unclean, mostly with blue at base of fins, esp caudal. finnage wise similar to ours, whites they have fishes with full 180 caudal too but never seen a white with perfectcolour, many has clear ends.
Yellows, they have Jack Lewin s lines which they named vanillas and can breed almost 180 caudals yellow fishes now, Irids they have over 180 caudals. Of cos , many fishes I saw were still young, but still it speaks alot of their progress.
Atison of cos is probably Thailands greatest, but so are many who had his lines, including teeruch Poparnich[who had good lines, eg from Gilbert], Tannin Bunnak[met him], Nithi Kietchai and Veerachai[ young fellas...sold them my reds and whites...mistake...ha!...no they are quite nice chaps]...they appear as bettachromax on aquabid, Sarawut and his brother[cant remember his name]....they are known as CTlover and Siamimbellis on aquabid....these 2 are big time players. I dont deal with Wasan or Sunpetch but I heard they also have tonnes of bettas.
Of cos we cant beat them by their shear quantity <img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>, yes we can still come in by sticking to quality, cos I also believe in some ways once you have too much quantity, it takes away some attention and you overlook a few good fishes... It may be worth knowing that many of them breed both HM and CT to attempt halfsuns and in the cos of it have a lot of 'hm' which are in fact not actually hm but they look good at a young age.
Am I contradicting myself? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Hi FH,
Here must clarify a bit, agree a bit, and disagree a bit...
Clarify: When you say they have good of almost everything... So far we have established: Irids (exceptional), Red, white (poorish)... As I see, their irid butterflies are good, melanos are ok, and they don't really have orange, green, purple, MG, good yellows, marbles... so what lines specifically are they good with?? (BCS members thinking of BK trip will be most interested).
Agree: We ARE being trounced! (But I'm working on changing that...:))
Disagree: We have to adopt their attitude. No... I think we are being trounced not because of attitude but because of scale/cost of production. One guy with couple of breeding tanks (even given 300+ jars...working to death) will never beat acres of concrete ponds and 50 man workforce... (Same for Indonesians and crowntails)...We have to fight them through superior knowledge... shared intellectual capital... (that's one of the reasons why I started the "Betta hobby in S'pore" thread)...
By the way, who are some of the Thai breeders you are close with? Atison, Xman? Maybe Wasan?