Access To Genetics Research Materials ...

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Guys,

Does anyone know of any links for access to research materials on genetics???

Something like the IBC site ... but without the membership fee. Currently, I dun see a point for myself to subscribe to that club yet.

Thanks In Advance,
Samuel Phan

[Foo Hong]

I do not surf the net so often so I do not know any site that you are seeking. But I do know IBC publishes articles on such things[sold like school asessment papers here in book stores]. Think some people locally have purchased some....

[Chris Yew]

Hi Sam,

There isn't much research materials on genetics of bettas on site. The best one still from IBC, can view from their website. Or there's another one you may try is this;
http://www.mybetta.info/

Probably you can be more specific what type of genetics you are referring to.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
Hi Guys,

Does anyone know of any links for access to research materials on genetics???

Something like the IBC site ... but without the membership fee. Currently, I dun see a point for myself to subscribe to that club yet.

Thanks In Advance,
Samuel Phan

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Foo Hong,

Yep ... I think that is exactly what I was looking for. Research materials from IBC. =)

May I know how to get hold of them???

Would really like the have at least the ability to predict the spawn outcome to a certain level rather than pure guessing. =P

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

quote:
I do not surf the net so often so I do not know any site that you are seeking. But I do know IBC publishes articles on such things[sold like school asessment papers here in book stores]. Think some people locally have purchased some....

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your response ... I was actually referring to the colour genetics of betta. I have seen your web site regarding colour genetics as well ... they are very well written. =)

But still ... I am curious about the finding that the Americans have on the fish. =)

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan


quote:
Hi Sam,

There isn't much research materials on genetics of bettas on site. The best one still from IBC, can view from their website. Or there's another one you may try is this;
http://www.mybetta.info/

Probably you can be more specific what type of genetics you are referring to.

Chris Yew
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com


quote:
Hi Guys,

Does anyone know of any links for access to research materials on genetics???

Something like the IBC site ... but without the membership fee. Currently, I dun see a point for myself to subscribe to that club yet.

Thanks In Advance,
Samuel Phan

[Dr Hsu]

Sam,

IBC has articles called "technical assistance" articles that are available for sale to members for x cents per page. They have a whole list on various topics, usually reprints from old issues of their newsletter or various fish mags.
Best genetic articles are from Gene Lucas, who actually did his Phd on betta color genetics. Some of the articles are reprints from old FAMA magazines where he has a regular column.
Did think of ordering some articles but was too "lay chey" - they don't take credit card so trying to figure out payment was too much hassle.
Anyway, there's no real easy answer to predicting color. Only the basic color genetics are known (available on most web sites) and nothing is known of others. Eg. yellow supposed to be well know wrt inheritance, but if you cross two very different yellow lines (esp not HM lines) you can get all red! like my yellow CT spawn - likely due to the mutation being on different alleles so one covers for the other. For most of the more complicated and new colors and patterns, there has not been true experimental crosses done to elucidate the inheritence patterns and thus the true genetic basis for that color/pattern.
Problem with genetics (and most other things!) is that the more you know, the more you know that you don't know!
Make sense? Probably not...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>


Regards,

Li Chieh

[Myron Tay]

Li Chieh and Sam,

Payment is not too much of a hassle since our friendly post office issues bank drafts that could be sent in the mail. Believe that it costs only US$5 each. Quite worth it to get the articles that way, but believe that you have to be an IBC member.

Sam, it might be worthwhile to subscribe for a year to get the articles you want. I have seen the list and it is looks very interesting!

[Dr Hsu]

Even getting to the PO to pay my parking fines is a hassle...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Problem is that you only get the title - sometimes the content is junk and there are quite a few that I think are quite dated. Being a IBC tech article doesn't mean it's going to be good. I will only trust Gene Lucas' stuff. Would be interested in taking a look at this doctoral thesis...(BTW, am hoping to invite him to judge at next yr's aquarama so hopefully he will be around to give us a talk!)

Next problem - after you add up all the articles I want - comes up to alot!




Regards,

Li Chieh

[Samuel Phan]

Yep ... it see like a hassle to me as well. =)
Maybe shall browse more net to locate more research material =)

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan
quote:
Even getting to the PO to pay my parking fines is a hassle...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Problem is that you only get the title - sometimes the content is junk and there are quite a few that I think are quite dated. Being a IBC tech article doesn't mean it's going to be good. I will only trust Gene Lucas' stuff. Would be interested in taking a look at this doctoral thesis...(BTW, am hoping to invite him to judge at next yr's aquarama so hopefully he will be around to give us a talk!)

Next problem - after you add up all the articles I want - comes up to alot!




Regards,

Li Chieh

[Myron Tay]

There is currently a special for IBC members on the 40 TAs. I just got mine recently and I have learnt a lot. Really must read for those who are serious about breeding bettas. It was the reason the US overtook Asia in the breeding of show bettas.

Unfortunately, only available to IBC members.

But take it as an investment. It is worth it. I think it would save most of us many unwanted spawns.

[Lim Aik Seng]

too bad betta genetics is too hard for me
more interested in human genetics hahaahaha, but also very blur.
i read alot of genetics things but still blur blur
maybe someone open a tution lessson jus to teach on betta genetics

[Tan Xiao YI]

ya too many words see liao @_@ blur too chim maybe BCS can simplify

it ??kekekeke keep ask them do work haaha:D

[Ong Ginyew]

agree wif Aik Seng.....veri blur leh....

[Myron Tay]

The articles I mentioned above are by Dr Gene Lucas and it explains from the very basics. Makes it much clearer for me. Learn lots of new things. We cannot afford to use the brute force approach of a million spawns adopted by commercial breeders. So we have to do it the smart way. Trust me. It is a very good investment. If not clear, can clarify with Dr Gene Lucas when he gets here loh!

[Lim Aik Seng]

wah looing forward to ask him
but still can anyone tell us the basic of genetics
for those who is unclear

[Myron Tay]

Too much to tell. Best to start by getting the basic genetic articles from IBC. Otherwise, Dr Gene Lucas here also catch nothing. :D

quote:Originally posted by Lim Aik Seng

wah looing forward to ask him
but still can anyone tell us the basic of genetics
for those who is unclear

[Dr Hsu]

I will see if I can organize a basic genetics talk by a friend of mine - genetics prof at SP. Need to re-establish contact first!

[Ong Ginyew]

cool....let us noe when u've contacted him....

[Myron Tay]

I repeat my call to read up on the TAs provided by IBC. It was a great investment for me and is where I got most of betta genetics knowledge from (the rest was obtained from the forum). It is a great investment because it saves on many, many spawns. It is especially important to read up before you attend the talk by Dr Gene Lucas, otherwise you might be lost. And trust me, you will be lost (so who says you cannot get lost in Singapore [:P]).

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

There is currently a special for IBC members on the 40 TAs. I just got mine recently and I have learnt a lot. Really must read for those who are serious about breeding bettas. It was the reason the US overtook Asia in the breeding of show bettas.

Unfortunately, only available to IBC members.

But take it as an investment. It is worth it. I think it would save most of us many unwanted spawns.

[Adrienne Kang]

quote:Originally posted by Dr Hsu

I will see if I can organize a basic genetics talk by a friend of mine - genetics prof at SP. Need to re-establish contact first!


Dr Yuen?
She's really busy man! I still didnt get to meet her yet but briefly talked to her over the phone and she recommended books on fishery mgt instead of genetics. heh [bt]

[Myron Tay]

Great article on distinction between genetic and multifactoral traits by Dr Gene Lucas:

http://www.famamagazine.com/e/env/0001vUMt7Ze5NkYqgg6J4e5/issues/2002/mar2002/f-cp-mar-032002-1.html?link=/framepagesecure.html&item=mar2002:f-cl-bts-032002-1

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[Myron Tay]

The IBC Technical Articles are available on CD and .pdf and .doc files. IBC has also set up a Paypal account. Access to these priceless articles have never been easier.

More details on this site: http://ibcbettas.com/ibc_sales.htm