Leaving father with Fry method

[Lyon Goh]

Anyone here tried it? Feel like doing it for my recent spawn. I still have time to act. Eggs hatch tomorrow. Heard that the father would not eat the fry even when they are quite big and the father prevents juveniles from fighting. But drawback is father will eat up lots of food

[VictoriaParnell]

I'd like to try it too! I had a hatching this morning, and I'd love to leave the pop in, but the spawn is rather important to me and I would hate to risk the fry.

Also, my tank is bare - just a sponge filter (turned off). Would I need to add plants? This also looks like a small spawn, under 50. Does that better the chance of the male not eating them, or worsen it?

[VictoriaParnell]

I'd like to try it too! I had a hatching this morning, and I'd love to leave the pop in, but the spawn is rather important to me and I would hate to risk the fry.

Also, my tank is bare - just a sponge filter (turned off). Would I need to add plants? This also looks like a small spawn, under 50. Does that better the chance of the male not eating them, or worsen it?

[LeeHong]

Lyon, i did posted the same question in arofanatics, but many suggest me not to do this, maybe u can take a look first: http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=77cc620cfe73512afe99ea07b930c93c&threadid=91363

[LeeHong]

Lyon, i did posted the same question in arofanatics, but many suggest me not to do this, maybe u can take a look first: http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=77cc620cfe73512afe99ea07b930c93c&threadid=91363

[Sebas]

no harm trying. I wasnt too sure of the idea, but having seen derrick do it, i will be leaving all my males in the fry tanks next week.

[Sebas]

no harm trying. I wasnt too sure of the idea, but having seen derrick do it, i will be leaving all my males in the fry tanks next week.

[LeeHong]

there is a forumer at arofanatics called betta7799 (william) also do the same thing, when i visit him on few months back, his fries was equal size as the father and he told me that all his spawn was like that, he never remove the father after fries hatch.

i dont have chance to ask him becoz he seldom online now..

[LeeHong]

there is a forumer at arofanatics called betta7799 (william) also do the same thing, when i visit him on few months back, his fries was equal size as the father and he told me that all his spawn was like that, he never remove the father after fries hatch.

i dont have chance to ask him becoz he seldom online now..

[vincent mah]

I have few things to add about this:

I have leave the male in to prevent mosquito from breeding
or MOE from coming after me.

You will have higher chance of better parenting parent from this fries.Not conclusive just from my and share experience(from others).

If you feed the male everyday you can almost every time breed it
without conditioning it for the next spawn.

Also need not have to wash another tank every 2 to 3 days and one less tank space.

The male too fare better (most of the time no sickness)with the fries.

I usually i leave the male in till the fries about 1" or till
i need another spawn out of him.

I would not guarantee anything would not go wrong do it at your own risk.

But i will and still doing it and swear by it.

Derrick may have more to add a he has more years of experience with this and a more expanded method (leaving female in and getting 2 to 3 more spawn with it in there or something like that).

[derrick kuah]

THanks sebas , Vicents For your Comments..ha ha . look like You want me , to keep writing...

Lyon , Victoria,
Think there is another tread on same which i had worte .
If you are leaving the "father" in the tanks . Make sure the volume of water is big enough.For your infors , i used at least a 2 ft tanks for all my breeding or big styroform box.
For some reason, the father will start to cull the fries if the tank is too small(still figuring out) , may be its mother nature in play, my thought:The father think the fires will not survive in small volume of water, will first reduce the number(happened before,left with small nos after few days) then total cull after one week.Oh by the way, i m doing my spawning in breeding box(6x10x8") then pour the whole content into a bigger growup tank(2ft and above), only after fries are "free swim".For young pair, straight in grow up tank for breeding.Make sure , to take out female after spawning if you don,t want a "dead" fish(if you are using small breeding box).
Note:Found, most male will start to build bubbles nest once in new growup tank( mother nature , i guessed, new water(perimeter),triggle their instinct,to start breeding but most male will also look out for their fries at the same time.


ah ....this is interesting.
Some time , you get female which is very productive(buck type), actually start helping in building nest and looking after the fries.And keep bucking the male ,to spawn.And also, seem the ovaries never stop producing egges(always big and fat).When this happened , i will leave both in the tank. they will have multiple spawns.(sad to say , this kind of female usually die if you take them out after spawning)>So i left them in the tanks and let them "enjoying" till the female die(anyway , it will die if taken out).My record for the nos of spawns from a pair.....7 times stretched over three weeks. By the fourth spawns , the fries will landed up as food for those from the first and second spawns (he he save on foods).For such , i used a long big styroform box(12x34x10").........wierd things do happen but it take only a crazy ppl like me , to try ... ha ha .


Another weird expereinces ......One male with multiple females(orgy in same tanks), oh its for bettas not myself or else... ha ha my wife and our good goverment(law),will not approve.

Only good young male is used for same.
Leave male in breeding tank(big size) with few females (own pet container)together, for a few days.
Male will start to build nest , very busy, trying to impress all the females .All females will "barred" and flared with the male when confronted.Released one female when a big nest is built,normally will spawn almost imediately(if conditioned well), after spawning, take out female and released second female...etc etc ..For me three females and that is the max.CAn we take more think can,t ha ha ha .....
tried a dt male with one dt female and a single tail female.....And no problem for me to tell the fries , from which females.Also good for experimenting with colour......steel male with turquios female,steel female.....no problem here, you get steel and rb fries and you can tell them apart...............How crazy can i goes.......some more coming i hope.

[Myron Tay]

After reading Derrick's accounts, I must conclude that no two bettas are alike. They differ from each other as much as different as you and me differ. [dr]

[Lyon Goh]

My tank is 1.3ft big.
I heard that if you disturb the tank with dad and fry too much the dad will eat the fry up
True?

[derrick kuah]

Well, all fishes behave differrently. But for me , Your statement would hold water.I feed my male with fries everyday(twice with daphia), with net stirring in the tanks to unload the daphia. So far all ok.Think its all getting "them", to get used to your present. Think they are happy when they senced , i m around cos they know , food is around.
Your tank size is ok .....think should do the job. good luck.[tx];)

[Alex Lim]

So the conclusion is to employ this method successfully, one must have a large breeding area? also, fathers must be well-nourished with food to prevent cannibalism to the fries?

another question, in the presence of another "alien" male (as in when the father can see another male), will the flaring and posturing agitate the father to the extent it eats up the fries? or it will not lead to anything because the defence mechanism of dad is acting, hence, it's natural.

[derrick kuah]

Alex,
In the first place , Why do you want to do that(put a male , to show when they are fries with the father)[bh].????Doing experiment...THink its not advisable to do such.:D

One little trick which i learned.
Some time , male is not doing the job(spawning) , for some reason, its look tired and show not interests.
Put a smaller male into the same tank(spawning tank). let the male , "bullied" the smaller male for a few minutes then take it out(small male).After the victory, the male will claim his "prize", the female.Most of the time , the male will start ,to build big nest and start spawning after.....

Foster parent.
If you happen to have many spawn ,If any of the male from any spawn is not working(refuse to pick up egges etc etc , or you think its not good.TRy using another styroform cup(wholecup),scoop up the half cup with the nest and transfer to the foster male tank.For me , it works very well....So try it , it might work for you too......Do it at your own risks:D[tx]

[Myron Tay]

I personally still prefer to take the father out after the fries are free swimming. To me, each fry is precious. Maybe I am just a sentimental guy.

[Alex Lim]

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

Alex,
In the first place , Why do you want to do that(put a male , to show when they are fries with the father)[bh].????Doing experiment...THink its not advisable to do such.:D

One little trick which i learned.
Some time , male is not doing the job(spawning) , for some reason, its look tired and show not interests.
Put a smaller male into the same tank(spawning tank). let the male , "bullied" the smaller male for a few minutes then take it out(small male).After the victory, the male will claim his "prize", the female.Most of the time , the male will start ,to build big nest and start spawning after.....

Foster parent.
If you happen to have many spawn ,If any of the male from any spawn is not working(refuse to pick up egges etc etc , or you think its not good.TRy using another styroform cup(wholecup),scoop up the half cup with the nest and transfer to the foster male tank.For me , it works very well....So try it , it might work for you too......Do it at your own risks:D[tx]


actually, my friend placed a male tank beside the breeding tank with a cover. i removed it and immediately dad got extremely agitated so cover put back. just wondering what would be the likely consequences.. heehee [bt]

i second the "bullying" method. works for me. :D

[VictoriaParnell]

OK, I'm doing it...I have 5-day-old fry and the papa is still in there with them. He seems to have eaten some, but I can't be sure...tank is heavily planted now. He is still gathering and tending them though, because when I feed him he spits out great mouthfuls of fry before eating. They seem bigger than normal, and stronger. He's also cleaning up the excess fry food. Hopefully things continue to go well, wish me luck!

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by VictoriaParnell

OK, I'm doing it...I have 5-day-old fry and the papa is still in there with them. He seems to have eaten some, but I can't be sure...tank is heavily planted now. He is still gathering and tending them though, because when I feed him he spits out great mouthfuls of fry before eating. They seem bigger than normal, and stronger. He's also cleaning up the excess fry food. Hopefully things continue to go well, wish me luck!
Thanks for sharing, Victoria. Keep us posted. :D

[derrick kuah]

HI ,
Victoria , forget to add.
Also found that those fries(with father in tank), will also grow up ,to be very good breeders as well.No egges eaters , destorying nest ,etc etc...
Need you , to update , in order to confirm...Sorry , i m one of those that don,t keep records on what i do, All on memories,if my mind can function, ha ha ,i hope.

[VictoriaParnell]

LOL Derrick, luckily I record everything I do, if I relied on my mind to store information I would be in deep trouble!

I went in to check this morning, male was fat and there were less fry...I panicked and removed him...thought later that maybe he had just eaten extra bbs or maybe some weak fry. I will endeavor to control my impulses next time and just leave him in there for better or for worse.



quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

HI ,
Victoria , forget to add.
Also found that those fries(with father in tank), will also grow up ,to be very good breeders as well.No egges eaters , destorying nest ,etc etc...
Need you , to update , in order to confirm...Sorry , i m one of those that don,t keep records on what i do, All on memories,if my mind can function, ha ha ,i hope.

[Lyon Goh]

I left dad with fry and this is the 6th day with fry. I have not been feeding them on very good food as my BBS can't work! Hatch rate very low. So they eat very little BBS. The rest i fed with some powder food by Sera. Dun think they eat but i put little bit.
Will throw some daphnia tomorrow

[vinceyeo]

eh lyon your place cannot get daphnia? or go and buy lam hong's bbs lor they r said to have very high hatch rate. good luck with your fries!

[Lyon Goh]

Got daphnia already. Order from Uncle Derrick.
But today threw some Daphnia. The daphnia seem to be swimming faster then the fry could catch it. And lots of daphnia bigger then fry head. How the fry eat?

[Alex Lim]

quote:Originally posted by Lyon Goh

Got daphnia already. Order from Uncle Derrick.
But today threw some Daphnia. The daphnia seem to be swimming faster then the fry could catch it. And lots of daphnia bigger then fry head. How the fry eat?


Lyon,

don't worry, they'll learn how to catch it. in fact, i think they develop their ambush skills from this tender age. the weaker fries will invariably fail in this quest for survival and die off but most of it will have no problem in catching the daphnia. i've seen them ambushing daphnias many a time. they'll set their eye on their target and follow closely behind. when the flea slows down / stops, they'll pounce with speed. and the aim is not for the fries to eat the adult fleas, but wait for them to reproduce their young which is just the right size for the fries. that's why it's usually recommended to put in the boons in early sometime before the free-swimming stage so that food is readily available the moment the egg yolks are used up. hope this helps a bit.

[Sebas]

Simply amazing yellow male derrick!
The breeding tank is a 2 ft tank and yet it seems to be full of fries. I dont believe it, the male is still attending to the nest even though most of the fries are already free swimming. I have learnt something new! [ber]

[derrick kuah]

Ha Ha . He is sure a good "pa pa". Hope you be like him nexttime, blowing bubbles nest when you see your partner..he he.
here the pics of the fries(about 150 pcs),"he" is with them till i took him out for you. quote:http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/photoalbum/derrick%20kuah/DSC04307.JPG

[Sebas]

Haha, yes, he is absolutely charming. Seems so busy with the nest 24/7. I am going to try the method with my copper HM today. Thanks again Uncle Derrick!

PS: Yeah, i will try to be a good papa in the future. 20 years old now, time to look for a soulmate once out of the army. HAHA! FAT Yellow plakat with skin problem looking for female![ber][ass][puf]

[Lyon Goh]

quote:
Lyon,

don't worry, they'll learn how to catch it. in fact, i think they develop their ambush skills from this tender age. the weaker fries will invariably fail in this quest for survival and die off but most of it will have no problem in catching the daphnia. i've seen them ambushing daphnias many a time. they'll set their eye on their target and follow closely behind. when the flea slows down / stops, they'll pounce with speed. and the aim is not for the fries to eat the adult fleas, but wait for them to reproduce their young which is just the right size for the fries. that's why it's usually recommended to put in the boons in early sometime before the free-swimming stage so that food is readily available the moment the egg yolks are used up. hope this helps a bit.


Thanks. I seen them pouncing on daphnia but the flea jus swims faster. But i just let them be. My tank is quite small compared to my spawn size. I think i have about 200+++++ fry and my tank is only 1.5ft. When should i start changing tank?

[Myron Tay]

Derrick

Assuming you do not feed papa during breeding, when do you re-start feeding papa?

[Sebas]

HUH HUH CANNOT FEED THE PAPA?!?!?!

i feed the papa even before the eggs were hatched. And i even fed him when the fries are free swimming. Oh kao, better rush home now!

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Sebas

HUH HUH CANNOT FEED THE PAPA?!?!?!

i feed the papa even before the eggs were hatched. And i even fed him when the fries are free swimming. Oh kao, better rush home now!
Sebas

Relax. There are differing views on this. I prefer not to feed papa when he is brooding because I note that they tend to have depressed appetites during this period and I do not want to foul up the water is all.

[Sebas]

oh haha. I thought derrick said cannot feed the male. I was quite worried when he started to eat the daphnia, i was afraid he might eat the fries by mistake.

[Lyon Goh]

For me, I feed the Papa more then usual when he is tending to the fry. Dun think they will mistaken fry for daphnia. They can see :)
But sometimes the papa will eat a few fry and then spit them out somewhere again. Lol

[derrick kuah]

For me , I feed the father as ususal till the end(taken out of spawn).
Found another fact, when feed as per normal:most male will spawn imediately after taken out (spawning tanks) when pair with another female.need not rest in between. In fact , the male actually keep building nest after fries "free swim".He HE , let is why , i thought of the ideal of using multiple females for each male.
during the spawning(multiple), the male is very busy, chasing female away(from eating fries), looking after "new fries"(second female).EVen the fries are few weeks(2-3), you can find the male ., building new nest,very big,swimming everywhere,athough having newly hatch fries, looking and repair bubbles.And that keep him strong and healthty. thru, the period.
though having newly hatched fries

[Alex Lim]

Hahahaha.. U. Derrick, that's what i call efficiency~ :D

[Lyon Goh]

Ok. New report. Its day 15 for red spawn. But the father has ate too many fry. I took out the father on day 14. Now fry i think left around 30-40 only.
Well, pass 2 days I haven't been feeding the dad as much as last time so i think he start to feed on fry.

[Myron Tay]

Lyon

Thanks for confirming Derrick's observation that this method probably does not work as well in the case of extended reds.

[Lyon Goh]

Last count, I have 22 fry left.
Well, side track abit. I find Reds developing color much faster then other fry. At day 13 I see fry becoming orange color

[VictoriaParnell]

Maybe that was why my first experiment failed...it was an ext red spawn too. I'm trying again, this time with a pair of chocolate DR CTs. This is the first free-swimming day, and dad is still in there.



quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

Lyon

Thanks for confirming Derrick's observation that this method probably does not work as well in the case of extended reds.

[Lyon Goh]

I'm trying with a Marble father now. This guy breeds very fast. Day 1 intro pair into the tank. Day 2 bubblenest formed and female released. Day 3 bred.

Today fry 4 days old and no visable losses

[vinceyeo]

just a funny observation but issit because most betta live food are red like bloodworms and tubifex??? thats why for red bettas the tendency of red spawns getting eaten by the father is very high?

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Lyon Goh

Last count, I have 22 fry left.
Well, side track abit. I find Reds developing color much faster then other fry. At day 13 I see fry becoming orange color
Lyon

The orange colour could be due to the BBS that you have fed the fry with?

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by vinceyeo

just a funny observation but issit because most betta live food are red like bloodworms and tubifex??? thats why for red bettas the tendency of red spawns getting eaten by the father is very high?
Vince

But the fries have not developed their red colouration yet. So it is unlikely this is the reason.

[derrick kuah]

HI Guys ,
Happy new year.
REad red . I observed that red fish alway gives problems:
1) lasy father, like sex but lazy with the upkeeping of nest.
2)most of the time , will kill the female if taken out last.(can,t leave her in the tanks for multiple spawns).
3)most fries will die (with or without the father). ONly get(usually around 50 -60% survival rate).
I do leave the father with the spawn even for red fish. BUt wheather the farther is there or not , no different , have to jar them young , around 10-12 weeks.They will go at each other when they get to understand their surroudings.

FInds:
Yellow and white is the best with father in tanks . can keep them up to 16 weeks .
irees fish, fairly good. only jar the bigger fries after 14 weeks and sometime , i "missed out" on some male, get fries as big as the father before i noctice them.

Plakat is the best,can keep them as long as i want . only problem is must change , minimun water, to keep same perimeters of tank,s water.

Lyon , ask to see my spawn. Turquios and steel blue spawns, around 12 weeks, father still in tanks, all finnages ok.And also some red spawns.By the way pm me , today got "boon" , if you need it , get extra .

[Lyon Goh]

quote:

The orange colour could be due to the BBS that you have fed the fry with?


no. I feed them solely on daphnia.
But sadly all died due to hunger [bh]
But today I intro the pair together again

[Lyon Goh]

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

HI Guys ,
Happy new year.
REad red . I observed that red fish alway gives problems:
1) lasy father, like sex but lazy with the upkeeping of nest.
2)most of the time , will kill the female if taken out last.(can,t leave her in the tanks for multiple spawns).
3)most fries will die (with or without the father). ONly get(usually around 50 -60% survival rate).
I do leave the father with the spawn even for red fish. BUt wheather the farther is there or not , no different , have to jar them young , around 10-12 weeks.They will go at each other when they get to understand their surroudings.

FInds:
Yellow and white is the best with father in tanks . can keep them up to 16 weeks .
irees fish, fairly good. only jar the bigger fries after 14 weeks and sometime , i "missed out" on some male, get fries as big as the father before i noctice them.

Plakat is the best,can keep them as long as i want . only problem is must change , minimun water, to keep same perimeters of tank,s water.

Lyon , ask to see my spawn. Turquios and steel blue spawns, around 12 weeks, father still in tanks, all finnages ok.And also some red spawns.By the way pm me , today got "boon" , if you need it , get extra .


I find reds like to eat fry.
My marble father Don't eat as much fry as my reds. The red also whacked the female till NO MORE CAUDAL FINS.
What I find is that Marble is a good dad but it seems to be very gentle with female. The female don't have any injuries. Maybe that's the temperament of the male I have.
I'll be attemping White DT with White Marble plakat tomorrow or few days later.
Uncle Derrick, I tomorrow go your house collect boon
Thanks

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

ONly get(usually around 50 -60% survival rate).
Derrick

Is this survival rate only for your red lines? What about your other lines?

[Alex Lim]

I've made a 2nd attempt with my reds and spawning was done sometime early morning. when i came home this noon, eggs very visible. checked up again just now and either all have been shifted under the cup or a higher probability would be the male ate eggs again. female has already been removed. so i think there is a problem with egg eating as well, at this point in time.

Myron and red interesters,

anyone encounter similar problems?

[Lyon Goh]

Oh yes, does egg size have effect on fry size?
My marble spawn the female is small but produced fairly large eggs. And the 4 day old fry is almost as big as my 16 day old fry

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Alex Lim

I've made a 2nd attempt with my reds and spawning was done sometime early morning. when i came home this noon, eggs very visible. checked up again just now and either all have been shifted under the cup or a higher probability would be the male ate eggs again. female has already been removed. so i think there is a problem with egg eating as well, at this point in time.

Myron and red interesters,

anyone encounter similar problems?
Alex

In the case of a known egg-eating male, I advise artificial hatching of his eggs.

[derrick kuah]

Myron,
For other colour spawns, I didn,t really "take note" of the rate% of survival , But its very high , close to 80-90%. My recent yellow spawns(2 spawns) close to 90%, now will have lot of yellow for compare and march comp.

[Sebas]

Sad News Sad Ending

The fries were almost 1cm. The father was happily looking after his fries. Until...... I poured some daphnia not from my grandpa into all my fry tanks. The male died, all the fries died, anyone eaten the daphnia died. I took some daphnia out and put it under microscope, its wad they call the sharp tailed daphnia. My entire collection of yellows and all my spawns wiped out except for 10 copperblue fries. Yet another setback. The method had many positive sides, but when such things happen, i indirectly killed the yellow male. This is starting to get on me, fedup with my luck.

[VictoriaParnell]

Oh Sebas, that's horrible. Just remember, things that are very difficult in the beginning usually end up being the most successful in the end. Hang in there!

[Lyon Goh]

Sebastian, wanna know where do does sharp tail daphnia come from? How did it get into your grand dad's daphnia stocks? This i believe is quite serious. Like flu....

[Sebas]

sharp tail daphnia as my uncle calls it has been around for ages. Its another type of water flea what apparently has a sharp tail that will puncture the stomachs. I have been unfortunately hit by this type of attack for 3 times in total, everytime during my big spawns period.
Lyon, didnt read properly? not from my grandpa's stock, if u have told anyone or posted any saying it comes from my grandpa's stock, u need to clarify. I bought them from a lfs becuz i forgot to inform my granddad for daphnia that day. This type of daphnia is apparently more hardy than others. I kept my fry tanks untouched in hope of some unseen surviving fries, but what i observed in the 4 days is that the daphnia in the tanks are still alive. Just my luck, its been down for several months already. Noone to blame except myself.

[Lyon Goh]

Sorry [bt], didn't read the "NOT" word. I did not go round saying cuz I still don't know the origins. Very sorry.
But for the sharp tail daphnia, it looks the same as the normal daphnia?

[Sebas]

its basically water flea

[Myron Tay]

Deepest sympathies, Sebas. All the best with your next spawns.

[VictoriaParnell]

Update:

Chocolate DR CT fry are 5 days old, Pop is still in there, everything looks ok. I am feeding him 3x a day, variety of foods.

Another update: There were more left in that extended red attempt than I originally thought, and they are growing twice as fast as my other spawns!

[Lyon Goh]

I agree that when you leave the dad with the spawn, the fry seem to grow faster

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Lyon Goh

I agree that when you leave the dad with the spawn, the fry seem to grow faster
Lyon

I think Victoria took out the father from her extended red spawn. What you have stated seems counter intuitive but we need to have more data to ensure that yours is not a once-off occurrence.

[VictoriaParnell]

I did take the father out, but that was after leaving him in there for a week or more. I thought he was eating too many of them. But if he was only eating the weaklings, that would eliminate competition for food and room, giving the strongest fry opportunity to grow better. I also observe the fathers handling their fry, keeping them clean perhaps? Lyon?

What I've noticed so far with the CT experiment is that the fry do seem larger than what I usually have at that age (I can visually see them darting around from across the room), and the male still interacts with them, although he is no longer harvesting them to the nest. He will pick up a fry, mouth it a bit, then spit it back out. Fry make no effort to run from him, though they do go into hiding whenever they see ME.

This spawn isn't terribly important to me, so I'm going to leave him in there for better or for worse this time. I should be able to refute or support the advantages in another few weeks. :p

[vincent mah]

Over time i have notice that result very from male to male.
As long as you dont have one that eat eggs(i call it a male that prefer omelette then to perpetuate it self) or eat all fries.This way should give you good result(father with fries).

This is what i have experience with some betta.

Some male on their first spawn may not fair well (fewer fries).
But subsequent spawn fair 3 to 4 fold yield of fries.
Some first spawn will fair in the hundred of fries.
Each time the father is left till there are an inch or so (more or less).
The next subsequent spawn is done immediately, dont have to condition
him.
Feeding is done everyday for the father come rain or shine.When breeding or looking after fries.
These breeders are left with fries or are in a breeding process never in a tank alone.
They are much more healthy in a bigger tank with fries without water change for weeks then those in a tank(6"x6"x6"tank with water change every 2 to 3 days) by it self.
One thing is the fries grow up to be better parents.
This i my opinion it is much better way of breeding them then my old ways.

[Lyon Goh]

I observed that even the fry are like a week old or so, the father will still carry them in his mouth and spit them somewhere else. Maybe like what Victoria have said, cleaning???

I went to Uncle Derrick's house today and saw all this spawn with the father inside the tank. Even when the fry are about the same size as the father. And I could see little or no nip on the fins of the juveniles. But the numbers seem smaller. I believe that the father would judge whether the fry will survive or not. Yup, maybe he's eating all the small fry up to create space and food for stronger fry

[VictoriaParnell]

Well, things are looking grim for the Choc CT's. There are very few fry left, but not because the male is eating them. They seem extremely weak and are thin and dying off rapidly. Male is still fine, and a few of the larger fry seem ok. Tested ph/nitrite/nitrate/ammonia, but everything was in the safe range. I gave the tank a 50% water change today, so we'll see how it goes.

I'm not prepared to give up on this idea yet, but this one looks like another failed attempt, probably due to some kind of outside influence I've not pinpointed yet. :(

[Ramon]

Very interesting thread indeed, does anyone have new information to share ?

Greetings
Ramon

[Ramon]

Very interesting thread indeed, does anyone have new information to share ?

Greetings
Ramon

[Goh Kai Hui]

I tried putting the dad in with the fries before coz i don't have any new tanks for him.......its ok but till he starts have swollen eye and dies and the rest also died..... how to change the tank water when you are having so many fries in it?

[Goh Kai Hui]

I tried putting the dad in with the fries before coz i don't have any new tanks for him.......its ok but till he starts have swollen eye and dies and the rest also died..... how to change the tank water when you are having so many fries in it?

[Lyon Goh]

quote:Originally posted by Goh Kai Hui

how to change the tank water when you are having so many fries in it?


perhaps you could start out with a big tank so that you don't need to change for the first month.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Jennifer Chaifalo

Hi there! I came to this board for the information about raising fry with their daddy. I am really glad I've joined, as I think this board is a great resource in many ways!

I'm currently attempting to leave dad in. Although he ate a lot of fries in the beginning, the babies are now 2 weeks old and he just ignores them.

I'm hoping for continued luck.
quote:Originally posted by Eli Badran

1- Welcome :)

2- Funny that you say that ...
I as well read that article and joind this forum doe to my hopes that it will help me even more (and believe me - IT HELPS A LOT - people here are great :) )

3- PLEASE keep us updated ... i am very intrested in this method.
Did the father eat the sick and weak ones or was it random?
How large is the container?
Are there many places for the spawn to hide in?
quote:Originally posted by Jennifer Chaifalo

Eli - Thanks for the welcome!

It was too soon to tell if they were sick or weak, they all looked the same to me! ;> However, maybe dad knew something that I didn't?

They are in 6g currently - obviously they will need to be moved, but we'll wait for them to get a bit bigger soon.

The tank is heavily planted, so there are lots of spots for the fry to hide.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Jennifer Chaifalo

Hi there! I came to this board for the information about raising fry with their daddy. I am really glad I've joined, as I think this board is a great resource in many ways!

I'm currently attempting to leave dad in. Although he ate a lot of fries in the beginning, the babies are now 2 weeks old and he just ignores them.

I'm hoping for continued luck.
quote:Originally posted by Eli Badran

1- Welcome :)

2- Funny that you say that ...
I as well read that article and joind this forum doe to my hopes that it will help me even more (and believe me - IT HELPS A LOT - people here are great :) )

3- PLEASE keep us updated ... i am very intrested in this method.
Did the father eat the sick and weak ones or was it random?
How large is the container?
Are there many places for the spawn to hide in?
quote:Originally posted by Jennifer Chaifalo

Eli - Thanks for the welcome!

It was too soon to tell if they were sick or weak, they all looked the same to me! ;> However, maybe dad knew something that I didn't?

They are in 6g currently - obviously they will need to be moved, but we'll wait for them to get a bit bigger soon.

The tank is heavily planted, so there are lots of spots for the fry to hide.

[Jennifer Chaifalo]

Well, I ended up leaving dad in for 4 weeks. Some of the fry got velvet, and when all was said and done, I ended up with 5 fry. They are growing big now, and starting to develop color. Just thought I'd update.

[JasonBNguyen]

Hey Victoria, any updates? A lot of people have tried this method with enormous success with stronger frys but the drawback is that sometimes the spawn is small; either due to the father's appetite or outside influences.

[Liang Heng]

I tried 3 weeks before , is ok to leave it with the fries but when it starts to eats too much fries ,better start to take the father out.

If not u will be left with nothing lol.