Discussion on Competition and NBC

[Chris Yew]

I'm seeing that the thread on Traditional Plakat class a Failure going off topic;
http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1977

Maybe we can carry on the general discussion on competition and NBC here.

But before that, would suggest all to read these interesting articles first;

Being A Judge Is Not Easy (http://www.geocities.com/canarytales_lindahogan/myview.htm)

Things to know before you show your fish (http://colonelmustard.s5.com/showingfish.html)

[vinceyeo]

yea darren everyone has their own opinions. so i dont see why you should worry about it. and no i do not think our discussion has any heated at all.

Flaws or no flaws as said by myron all bettas will be loved by all. especially when one has already committed him/herself to breeding. its natural that alot of the bettas cannot meet the breeders expectations and culling is probably the last resort for all(i hope!).

[Chris Yew]

In any competition, participants have to meet the standards set by the organisers or clubs. It's not the other way round, - organisers or clubs to set their competition standards according to the participants liking so that more participants will win.

BCS has many activities that promote the keeping of bettas regardless of whether they are self bred or purchase. The NBC is juz one of the many activities that the club has and even if your bettas do not meet the competition standards set by the club or organisers, that does not mean that the club do not support or promote betta keeping.

[Alex Lim]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

In any competition, participants have to meet the standards set by the organisers or clubs. It's not the other way round, - organisers or clubs to set their competition standards according to the participants liking so that more participants will win.

i concur with this. but should competitions be tailored to reflect local standards and conditions? as in, Region A's standards are not as high as B's. setting a competitive standard equivalent to B's may stifle interest in A since they will not be able to match B's quality per se. for this case, i'm assuming that A and B are poles apart in breeding standards. judges should take note of this. but of course, they should also make known the desired standards avail in other areas as well so that the local breeders can improve on their quality. any suggestions?

BCS has many activities that promote the keeping of bettas regardless of whether they are self bred or purchase. The NBC is juz one of the many activities that the club has and even if your bettas do not meet the competition standards set by the club or organisers, that does not mean that the club do not support or promote betta keeping.


i think more of such informal activities should be held and made avail to non-members. geee.. i'm a non-BCS member so don't take the above comment too seriously [:o)]

[Alex Lim]

[quote]Originally posted by Chris Yew

In any competition, participants have to meet the standards set by the organisers or clubs. It's not the other way round, - organisers or clubs to set their competition standards according to the participants liking so that more participants will win.

sorry, seems that my last post did not reflect my idea as well. funny thingy.. anyway, i was typing this..

i agree with Chris on this. but i would like to suggest this. competitions should be tailored to local conditions and breeding standards. just to give an analogy, Region A's betta standards is lower than B's. assumption is both standards are poles apart. also include relatively close environment (though given the increasing linkage of the world, this is not practical). judges setting the standards should take note of this and lower it (if necessary). of course, after the competition is over, the judges should reflect the ideal standards or using comparative analysis inform the local participants so that they can work on it and improve on their betta quality. if everything goes right, improvements should be seen on subsequent competitions, abeit SLOWER progress. i suggest that judges be less direct in this because one negative consequence in strict judging may stifle interest. again, this may/may not materialise. critics and recommended solutions please? [bx]

[Myron Tay]

I hold a different view. I say we set our standards based on international standards and judge based on those international standards. Do we use a smaller soccer field or a bigger goalpost just because our soccer standards are the way they are?

quote:Originally posted by Alex Lim
i agree with Chris on this. but i would like to suggest this. competitions should be tailored to local conditions and breeding standards. just to give an analogy, Region A's betta standards is lower than B's. assumption is both standards are poles apart. also include relatively close environment (though given the increasing linkage of the world, this is not practical). judges setting the standards should take note of this and lower it (if necessary). of course, after the competition is over, the judges should reflect the ideal standards or using comparative analysis inform the local participants so that they can work on it and improve on their betta quality. if everything goes right, improvements should be seen on subsequent competitions, abeit SLOWER progress. i suggest that judges be less direct in this because one negative consequence in strict judging may stifle interest. again, this may/may not materialise. critics and recommended solutions please? [bx]

[vinceyeo]

interesting post alex. but singapore so small still wanna split into region/neighbourhood?
already the number of people who will even send in their bettas for competition is not alot so kinda hard. I would recommend if we can do betta showcase and fairs all over singapore.
example every 2 mths we go to one north/south/east/west zone in singapore and try to promote beautiful betta to singaporeans. bring along all those fries breeders has that are excess(no need to bring super beautiful ones since the buyers might be first timers) to sell!

[Chris Yew]

I'm not too sure if the below is the current IBC guidelines;
Current IBC Guideline
Dimension (symmetry/balance) 15
Form 15
Condition 15
Deportment 10
Body/head (color) 10
Dorsal (color) 10
Caudal (color) 10
Anal (color) 10
Ventrals & Pectorals( color) 5

The important parts of the betta are been judged on and it's onli the allocation of points for each part and how detail we want it to be are variables. For example we may want Dorsal, Caudal, Anal, etc.. are to be termed under Finnage and all their individual points summed up (I said for example onli). It's up to the club to examine and determine what is best and of course I'm sure Dr.Hsu is awared that in actual judging, the judging sheet cannot be too detail. In reality, even in IBC (correct me if I'm wrong), judges hate using judging sheet that are too detail and lengthy.

Of course different categories like HM and Delta, the club may also be considering should more weightage be given to HM in finnage compared to Color? These are juz some consideration that I think the club is looking into instead of simply adaption the IBC guidelines not becoz we are poles apart. We are not poles apart if you look at the winners of both clubs. But if you are talking about self bred fish, it's another story as you can see that in another thread what is the number of self bred fish in the 3NBC. I believed that IBC has been changed to onli self bred fish are allowed to take part in all their sanction shows (is it correct?).

I'm not suggesting that we do the changes immediately for such self bred fish competition, but I'm sure we will be gradually moving towards it. How to ensure all participating fish are 100% self bred is another point, but first it's the drive and motivation of using self bred fish for future NBC.

If we are not using self bred fish for NBC, then whatever standard we used is immaterial as we can juz simply purchase those fish that match the standard to take part in it. In that case, the onli factor is $$$, the one with the most $$$ will win (don't tell me the statement - win means win, lose means lose as if it is such a case why bother to purchase from overseas, might as well use those $1 lfs betta veil tail to take part).

Also I've never said and I don't think so that those using self bred fish to take part in competition are a class higher as mentioned by some. Those who used self bred fish to take part in the competition is becoz I belived they find more satisfaction in doing so especially if they do win.

This is what is stated at the IBC site;
The IBC a nonprofit, world-wide organization of approximately 700 Members, promoting the selective breeding, raising and study of the Genus Betta. The IBC actively promotes the selective breeding of various color and finnage strains of Bettas through our Sanctioned Show program.

The key words are "selective breeding" and I'm sure they mean self bred fish by that. Though BCS is not a chapter of IBC, but I think most betta clubs share the same or similar objectives.

[Myron Tay]

Actually, Chris, I have noticed a heavier weightage on dimension, form and condition over in Asia than the weightage given in the IBC standards, which has a higher weightage on colour. I guess it reflects our preferences (I share this preference as well). But I guess we should start somewhere and I propose that the IBC standards can be adopted for BCS competitions at this stage and we move on from there.

[Chris Yew]

The most important thing now is not which standard to adopt or vary from there, but to start having one now before the next NBC. 3 NBCs have passed us by, and I personally think we should start doing it now and drafting them out. Without a single draft, it's fruitless to discuss which standard to adopt or vary from.

Note : It's a well known fact that IBC favours color more than finnage or form and that's how the GHBC was formed. But I think Jim did proposed some changes to the points changes but somehow that has been removed from their website now.

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

Actually, Chris, I have noticed a heavier weightage on dimension, form and condition over in Asia than the weightage given in the IBC standards, which has a higher weightage on colour. I guess it reflects our preferences (I share this preference as well). But I guess we should start somewhere and I propose that the IBC standards can be adopted for BCS competitions at this stage and we move on from there.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

The most important thing now is not which standard to adopt or vary from there, but to start having one now before the next NBC. 3 NBCs have passed us by, and I personally think we should start doing it now and drafting them out. Without a single draft, it's fruitless to discuss which standard to adopt or vary from.

Note : It's a well known fact that IBC favours color more than finnage or form and that's how the GHBC was formed. But I think Jim did proposed some changes to the points changes but somehow that has been removed from their website now.


Chris,

The IBC standards are available to all IBC members for the fee of joining IBC. It is given as part of the 1st membership fee paid.

[Chris Yew]

Yep, I'm well awared of that lah. That's why they removed it from the site right, haha.

I think that the club must seriously consider the following for the next NBC;
- setting of standards
- categories or classes
- standard rules and regulation for competition
- The above 3 should be up on the site for all to know well before the competition.
- judges selection

Let's discuss them 1 by 1. Myron would you like to start?


quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

The most important thing now is not which standard to adopt or vary from there, but to start having one now before the next NBC. 3 NBCs have passed us by, and I personally think we should start doing it now and drafting them out. Without a single draft, it's fruitless to discuss which standard to adopt or vary from.

Note : It's a well known fact that IBC favours color more than finnage or form and that's how the GHBC was formed. But I think Jim did proposed some changes to the points changes but somehow that has been removed from their website now.


Chris,

The IBC standards are available to all IBC members for the fee of joining IBC. It is given as part of the 1st membership fee paid.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

Yep, I'm well awared of that lah. That's why they removed it from the site right, haha.

I think that the club must seriously consider the following for the next NBC;
- setting of standards
- categories or classes
- standard rules and regulation for competition
- The above 3 should be up on the site for all to know well before the competition.
- judges selection

Let's discuss them 1 by 1. Myron would you like to start?


I thought I have already started with the first one: we adopt IBC standards as they stand now. A copy of the standards are available to all IBC members. Urge all members on this forum to get a copy.

As for the second one, let's start with what we have had for the last 3NBC:

CATEGORY I : DELTA/HALFMOON FORM

Class A : Long Finned Single Tail Delta
A1) Steel Blue
A2) Royal Blue
A3) Turquoise/Green
A4) Copper
A5) Red
A6) Black
A7) White (Opaque and Pastel)
A8) Non-red (Yellow, orange and cellophane)
A9) AOC (Any Other Color : patterned fish, a

[vinceyeo]

maybe this time it would be good that once the entire standard is ready annoucements to arofanatics.com forum should be made so most participants are aware where their betta should be classified in.

[Chris Yew]

Thoughts for the Class;

I'm not too sure if there is a need for Double Tail in Short Fin Delta and Crowntail? Is doubletail desired in these two classes? Juz like Plakat, I personally don't think doubletail is desirable in plakats right?

As for Double Tail - maybe can simplify to Dark body, Light body and AOC class as the response don't seem too good.

[Myron Tay]

My personal thoughts:

Expand the doubletail, crowntail and female categories. Merge the two plakat categories (and take whatever form emerges). Expand the doubletail, crowntail, merged plakat and female classes to include more variety within those classes. These is especially so in the female classes: believe that to produce each beautiful male, there should be beautiful female that was his mother. Proposed classes:

CATEGORY I: MALE FORM

Class A : Long-finned Single Tail
A1) Steel Blue
A2) Royal Blue
A3) Turquoise/Green
A4) Copper
A5) Red
A6) Black
A7) White (Opaque and Pastel)
A8) Non-red (Yellow, orange and cellophane)
A9) AOC (Any Other Color : patterned fish, a

[Chris Yew]

Are there lots of participation in the Double Tail class in the 3NBC? Isn't there some cancellation in it, so why expand the DT class?

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

Are there lots of participation in the Double Tail class in the 3NBC? Isn't there some cancellation in it, so why expand the DT class?
Agree. Have made the revisions as per your suggestion.

[Sebas]

Proposed classes:

CATEGORY I: MALE FORM

Class A : Long-finned Single Tail
A1) Steel Blue
A2) Royal Blue
A3) Turquoise/Green
A4) Copper
A5) Red
A6) Black
A7) Light Body (Opaque and Pastel)
A8) Non-red (Yellow, orange and cellophane)
A9) AOC (Any Other Color : patterned fish, a

[Chris Yew]

If you guys intend to combine the Plakat and Short Fin Delta, suggest calling this class Short Fin Betta Splendens instead of Plakat to avoid confusion.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Sebas


Proposed classes:

CATEGORY II: FEMALE FORM

Class E: Female Non-Crowntail
E1) Dark body solid color (Royal, Steel, Copper, Turquoise, Blue, Black)
E2) Light Body (Opaque/Pastel)
E3) Red
E4) Non Red (Yellow, Orange)
E5) AOC

Class F: Female Crowntail
F1) Dark Body Solid color (Royal/Turquoise/Melano/Green/Copper)
F2) Light Body (Opaque/Pastel)
F3) Red
F4) Non Red (Yellow Orange)
F5) AOC



I see the rationale for the expansion of the short-finned classes though I would propose that the classes mirror that of the long-finned classes. However, I do not see the rationale for the categorisation of the female classes. I would have thought that there would be lot of blue entries (of various types) and very few non-red entries.

[Sebas]

Its a proposed one. Can be subjected to changes, no problem.
Why I put black together with blues is that very little people will own black females, and why i split the red/black category is that i do not feel red and black fishes should be subjected to the same judging in a competition. Thus to move black out, theres noway for it to be a solo category, so i put all the dark bodies together. In actual fact, there will be more AOC females around than blue females.

Secondly, you know i'm a non-red fan right? thats why i added in the non red category, maybe the presence of such a category will urge people to bring in nonred females to competitions.

To add on, i feel that we should not allow judging of reds and black in the same category, it caused a little stir this year with the red plakats and the pitchblack plakat. Reds and blacks, regardless of the same base color, are different when we look at it. When a black has distinct red wash its a fault, but distinct red color is considered supreme for an ext red. A red should have minimal black pigments on the body but a black fish should have as much black pigments as possible, this adds on to why this two are not alike. Just like comparing between the moon and the sun.

[Chris Yew]

Juz to add on. These are onli our proposal and suggestion. The final decision should lie with the committee and we should respect that.

Another for all to note. In the 2nd NBC, the plakat and short fin were grouped together. I believed Dr.Hsu and his committee split them up for 3NBC so the participants are given more chances especially those who are into plakats. But no one expected that it turned out that the number of short fin far exceeded that of plakat. We should not blame the committee for doing a good deed for all. They are trying their best to 'fine tune' the categories and classes. Let's not simply jeer at them whenever something goes wrong. They are juz volunteers to run the club, not paid workers.[bt]

[Alex Lim]

quote:Originally posted by vinceyeo

interesting post alex. but singapore so small still wanna split into region/neighbourhood?
already the number of people who will even send in their bettas for competition is not alot so kinda hard. I would recommend if we can do betta showcase and fairs all over singapore.
example every 2 mths we go to one north/south/east/west zone in singapore and try to promote beautiful betta to singaporeans. bring along all those fries breeders has that are excess(no need to bring super beautiful ones since the buyers might be first timers) to sell!


actually i was referring more toward a global basis... Thailand and say somewhere ulu Brazil?

i think your suggestion is good though it requires a lot of will and resources.

[imported_n/a]

Hi All,

Just my views::)

1. What are the categories based on? Deltas/Halfmoons/Plakats/CTs/etc.
2. What are the classes are based on? Colours.

So, should the bettas not be judged on overall form prior to colouration? If colours presides over overall form, then we should categorised by colours first, right? Meaning to say, I feel that form must "score more points" rather than colouration.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers!
Xavier[tx]

[Jonathan_Tan]

what about a new category,
an open category, for new finnage types and for anything unusual?

[Sebas]

Proposed classes:

CATEGORY I: MALE FORM

Class A : Long-finned Single Tail (Halfmoons, Superdeltas, Deltas, Veiltail)
A1) Steel Blue
A2) Royal Blue
A3) Turquoise/Green
A4) Copper
A5) Red
A6) Black
A7) Light Body (Opaque and Pastel)
A8) Non-red (Yellow, orange and cellophane)
A9) AOC (Any Other Color : patterned fish, a

[Shawn Gan]

Hi,
Just had an idea that popped into my mind .... I was wondering why can't we have a monthly open mini competition or gathering for each class once a month? During this, it can be a normal gathering or mini competition for the particular class of fish. The objective is to gather feedback on how a better grading system can be created for a more local favour or if the IBC standards works just fine. I think this would create a better acceptance of the NBC competition at the year end too. Educating the competitors and public should be the key.

Anyhow it helps to generate more public awareness and anticipation for the final competition too... hehehe

Just my 2cents suggestion.... And it's going be taxing to the committee members, I'll volunteer my services as much as I can contribute ... The other problem I see is that some members would complain that their fish may not be ready for the month's class ... hehehe


Thanks....
Shawn :)

[vinceyeo]

great idea shawn. i suppose if a particular month does not have enough people to even form a mini comp then at least there will be a gathering of betta hobbyists. location can become a problem tho unless we have alot of homes we can rotate to meet at.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by vinceyeo

great idea shawn. i suppose if a particular month does not have enough people to even form a mini comp then at least there will be a gathering of betta hobbyists. location can become a problem tho unless we have alot of homes we can rotate to meet at.
So where shall we meet for January? What class / type should we be talking about?

[Sebas]

How about minimizing the classes.
No color differences.
HM
Plakat
CT
Beauty contest(for all females)

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Sebas

How about minimizing the classes.
No color differences.
HM
Plakat
CT
Beauty contest(for all females)


Then, all the blue entries would probably take all the prizes.

[Sebas]

your red will stand out too!

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Sebas

your red will stand out too!
Can fight with the blues?

[Sebas]

its a mini competition..come on.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Sebas

its a mini competition..come on.
So you are referring to the monthly gatherings? I thought we were still talking about NBC!

[imported_n/a]

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

quote:Originally posted by Sebas

its a mini competition..come on.
So you are referring to the monthly gatherings? I thought we were still talking about NBC!


Hi Myron Tay,

Quarterly would be better. Monthly would be really too taxing...

Cheers!
Xavier

[vinceyeo]

quote:Originally posted by Myron Tay

quote:Originally posted by vinceyeo

great idea shawn. i suppose if a particular month does not have enough people to even form a mini comp then at least there will be a gathering of betta hobbyists. location can become a problem tho unless we have alot of homes we can rotate to meet at.
So where shall we meet for January? What class / type should we be talking about?


eh shouldnt the gathering topics be decided by bcs committee? i am still very new in this hobby to be deciding such things haha... as long as its a chance to meet up and talk about bettas it would be good and fun.

[Chris Yew]

This is another important issue to discuss;
What's the purpose of competition?

This is what I believed;
The club support the competition (NBC) because it advances the development of Betta Splendens as the participant seek to outdo each other in the development and creating of new Betta forms and color variations be it for just fame, trophies, prizes or just plain fun.

The club believes that when bettas are entered in a show, they are bettas that were bred and raised by the participants unless clearly stated otherwise by them. Failure to abide by this would be a violation of the club ethics. (extract from IBC)

While it's difficult to enforce all entries are self bred and it's also difficult to have a breeders competition at the moment or immediate future; it's good to have the current system where participants MUST INDICATE the entrant is self bred or purchase or given.

So when the results are released, they will also indicate whether the winning fish is self bred or purchased, etc... This will give more credits to the owners of self bred fish even though we can't really enforce or police it. Participants will have to decide whether they wish to lie about it and face embarassment if found out.

Let us encourage our hobbyists to better our creation of bettas via selective breeding via competition. In this way, by looking at the photos of the winning fish we know how good are the standard of the self bred fish compared to those purchased. This will also let breeders to improve themselves.

[Myron Tay]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

This is another important issue to discuss;
What's the purpose of competition?

This is what I believed;
The club support the competition (NBC) because it advances the development of Betta Splendens as the participant seek to outdo each other in the development and creating of new Betta forms and color variations be it for just fame, trophies, prizes or just plain fun.

The club believes that when bettas are entered in a show, they are bettas that were bred and raised by the participants unless clearly stated otherwise by them. Failure to abide by this would be a violation of the club ethics. (extract from IBC)

While it's difficult to enforce all entries are self bred and it's also difficult to have a breeders competition at the moment or immediate future; it's good to have the current system where participants MUST INDICATE the entrant is self bred or purchase or given.

So when the results are released, they will also indicate whether the winning fish is self bred or purchased, etc... This will give more credits to the owners of self bred fish even though we can't really enforce or police it. Participants will have to decide whether they wish to lie about it and face embarassment if found out.

Let us encourage our hobbyists to better our creation of bettas via selective breeding via competition. In this way, by looking at the photos of the winning fish we know how good are the standard of the self bred fish compared to those purchased. This will also let breeders to improve themselves.
I agree, Chris.

[Ronnie Lau]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

This is another important issue to discuss;
What's the purpose of competition?

This is what I believed;
The club support the competition (NBC) because it advances the development of Betta Splendens as the participant seek to outdo each other in the development and creating of new Betta forms and color variations be it for just fame, trophies, prizes or just plain fun.

The club believes that when bettas are entered in a show, they are bettas that were bred and raised by the participants unless clearly stated otherwise by them. Failure to abide by this would be a violation of the club ethics. (extract from IBC)

While it's difficult to enforce all entries are self bred and it's also difficult to have a breeders competition at the moment or immediate future; it's good to have the current system where participants MUST INDICATE the entrant is self bred or purchase or given.

So when the results are released, they will also indicate whether the winning fish is self bred or purchased, etc... This will give more credits to the owners of self bred fish even though we can't really enforce or police it. Participants will have to decide whether they wish to lie about it and face embarassment if found out.

Let us encourage our hobbyists to better our creation of bettas via selective breeding via competition. In this way, by looking at the photos of the winning fish we know how good are the standard of the self bred fish compared to those purchased. This will also let breeders to improve themselves.


I also agree.
Ronnie.

[derrick kuah]

HI Chris and Myron,
I m also with you.:DRight now , "heavy with ,[sr]lot of guppies,same like betta(new colours) , for guppies , can create new strain(have about 5-7 new strain but only one bredd true).But....t from today , full force on bettas.[hlp]Don,t know why, all my spawning so far , failed except for opaque and yellow[bt]. Will be trying steel ,red ,and some new colour related to gold.:D[col]
thanks and regards derrick++[tx]

[Sebas]

quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

This is another important issue to discuss;
What's the purpose of competition?

This is what I believed;
The club support the competition (NBC) because it advances the development of Betta Splendens as the participant seek to outdo each other in the development and creating of new Betta forms and color variations be it for just fame, trophies, prizes or just plain fun.

The club believes that when bettas are entered in a show, they are bettas that were bred and raised by the participants unless clearly stated otherwise by them. Failure to abide by this would be a violation of the club ethics. (extract from IBC)

While it's difficult to enforce all entries are self bred and it's also difficult to have a breeders competition at the moment or immediate future; it's good to have the current system where participants MUST INDICATE the entrant is self bred or purchase or given.

So when the results are released, they will also indicate whether the winning fish is self bred or purchased, etc... This will give more credits to the owners of self bred fish even though we can't really enforce or police it. Participants will have to decide whether they wish to lie about it and face embarassment if found out.

Let us encourage our hobbyists to better our creation of bettas via selective breeding via competition. In this way, by looking at the photos of the winning fish we know how good are the standard of the self bred fish compared to those purchased. This will also let breeders to improve themselves.



[gd]

[Chris Yew]

It's good to see the 'oldies' are still in their breeding program. Hope to see more hobbyists (old or new) into breeding too, so that by next NBC, we can have 90% self bred fish!:D

[Alex Lim]

God bless that new hobbyists like me can succeed soon in spawning program~ and take part in healthy competition

[Charles Lim]

If one of the objectives is to encourage entry of self-bred bettas, then maybe we could consider some incentives in this direction? Certificates to recognise improvement in certain self-bred lines etc? Just a thought while reading this thread.

[vincent mah]

So everybody is in for the breeders.
What about the ppl with new creation like Doc's full mask,
crowntail mask and copper HM.
Phil's crowntail MG and other ppls etc.....????
Don't they to get some credit? The may or may not have their
new breed out at the same time as the market but the did create
it themself.
My feel is the credit should go to the people who breed new
creation of betta in colour or form.
If not we won't have our crowntail,double tail,HM,Copper,platinum
etc.....
So why not Creative Cup for next NBC?????:D:D.

[Alex Lim]

quote:Originally posted by vincent mah

So everybody is in for the breeders.
What about the ppl with new creation like Doc's full mask,
crowntail mask and copper HM.
Phil's crowntail MG and other ppls etc.....????
Don't they to get some credit? The may or may not have their
new breed out at the same time as the market but the did create
it themself.
My feel is the credit should go to the people who breed new
creation of betta in colour or form.
If not we won't have our crowntail,double tail,HM,Copper,platinum
etc.....
So why not Creative Cup for next NBC?????:D:D.



notion supported. Dr Lucas did mentioned about a lack of interest in creating new types of betta. cheers to creativity~ [ber]

[Myron Tay]

Back to our discussion on the classes. Here's my latest proposed classes:

CATEGORY I: MALE FORM

Class A : Long-finned Single Tail
A1) Steel Blue
A2) Royal Blue
A3) Turquoise / Green
A4) Copper
A5) Red
A6) Black
A7) Light Body (Opaque and Pastel)
A8) Non-red (Yellow, orange and cellophane)
A9) AOC (Any Other Color : patterned fish, a