Betta Macrostoma

[Samuel Phan]

Anyone have in their collection Betta Macrostoma?

If I am not wrong ... they belongs to a protected species of betta which lives only in Brunei.

Jung ... last hear that you have a pair of those ... managed to breed them? Care to share your experience?


With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan **** Chiat
(Creator Of Sam's Betta Colour Rendezvous)

[Toh Chen Han]

Judging from the price on Atison's website they must be hard to come by.

[Toh Chen Han]

Judging from the price on Atison's website they must be hard to come by.

[Foo Hong]

shld have catch some in my last trip to brunei....

[Foo Hong]

shld have catch some in my last trip to brunei....

[Samuel Phan]

But they are actually protected ... so be careful when you try to do anything funny =)

[Samuel Phan]

But they are actually protected ... so be careful when you try to do anything funny =)

[Dr Hsu]

Aiyah, Sam, Foo Hong is already an old pro at catching illegal fish so no difference, lah. :D

[Dr Hsu]

Aiyah, Sam, Foo Hong is already an old pro at catching illegal fish so no difference, lah. :D

[Toh Chen Han]

Foo Hong, you catch with the fish's best interest at heart rite? For conservation purposes...hehe..breed and release (release 1, keep the other 999 in the spawn heheh).

But seriously speaking, are there any efforts to rehabilitate the ebbing populations of wild betta. I'm pretty concerned with the decline of wild imbellis in malaysia. and i'm sure the macrostoma must be in big trouble too to be protected.

[Toh Chen Han]

Foo Hong, you catch with the fish's best interest at heart rite? For conservation purposes...hehe..breed and release (release 1, keep the other 999 in the spawn heheh).

But seriously speaking, are there any efforts to rehabilitate the ebbing populations of wild betta. I'm pretty concerned with the decline of wild imbellis in malaysia. and i'm sure the macrostoma must be in big trouble too to be protected.

[Samuel Phan]

hehehe ... hopefully only illegal fish not something else. =P

quote:Originally posted by Dr Hsu

Aiyah, Sam, Foo Hong is already an old pro at catching illegal fish so no difference, lah. :D

[Samuel Phan]

hehehe ... hopefully only illegal fish not something else. =P

quote:Originally posted by Dr Hsu

Aiyah, Sam, Foo Hong is already an old pro at catching illegal fish so no difference, lah. :D

[Toh Chen Han]

A Brunien man has put info on how to breed macrostoma on his homepage. Sounds difficult compared to betta splendens.

http://uk.geocities.com/mohdnooradnin/

[Toh Chen Han]

A Brunien man has put info on how to breed macrostoma on his homepage. Sounds difficult compared to betta splendens.

http://uk.geocities.com/mohdnooradnin/

[Foo Hong]

whne u catch you pick a few big ones. the ikan bilis u let go!

I dont think macros are diff to breed. anyone wants to pass me his pair?

[Foo Hong]

whne u catch you pick a few big ones. the ikan bilis u let go!

I dont think macros are diff to breed. anyone wants to pass me his pair?

[Toh Chen Han]

Well, the whole process sounds a lot longer than breeding splendens/imbellis. I guess I'm just an impatient sort.

Hmm...it would be kinda good to rehabilitate the macrostomas' population. But I have to say that aside from their esotericity, they've got little going for them....kinda ugly. =)

Time to run for cover...

[Toh Chen Han]

Well, the whole process sounds a lot longer than breeding splendens/imbellis. I guess I'm just an impatient sort.

Hmm...it would be kinda good to rehabilitate the macrostomas' population. But I have to say that aside from their esotericity, they've got little going for them....kinda ugly. =)

Time to run for cover...

[Jung]

Hi... I'm back...

The macrostoma pair, the female jumped to death. Chris Chua has the male. Didn't get to breed them.

Catching them is hardly likely, given their scarcity.

[Jung]

Hi... I'm back...

The macrostoma pair, the female jumped to death. Chris Chua has the male. Didn't get to breed them.

Catching them is hardly likely, given their scarcity.

[Samuel Phan]

Sad to hear that ... that is probably the only few pairs available in Singapore.
My friend did try to locate them in Brunei ... no luck too ...

[Samuel Phan]

Sad to hear that ... that is probably the only few pairs available in Singapore.
My friend did try to locate them in Brunei ... no luck too ...

[Samuel Phan]

A friend mentioned that he could get a macrostoma pair for USD$400 ... but at that price ... how many can afford.

Also was told that the fish prefers very cold water ... thus breeding them can be difficult in Singapore's climate.

[Samuel Phan]

A friend mentioned that he could get a macrostoma pair for USD$400 ... but at that price ... how many can afford.

Also was told that the fish prefers very cold water ... thus breeding them can be difficult in Singapore's climate.

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Guys,

Just saw a pair last nite at Tiong Bahru market LFS (Ah Heng's store) .... asking price lower than $300.

Have informed the Fred and Peter (did Richard call you?) regarding the lobang.

Not sure if the fish have been purchased by anyone but the fish looks good (colour and size wise) despite being housed in a container no bigger than your typical fruit jam bottle.

Check it out ... ;)

Also ... BK have a few pairs on sale too at $500/pair ... not sure if they beongs to the same country of origin. Looks to me the ones at Tiong Bahru belongs to the Kalimantan strain.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan

[VinceTan]

They are too, hard to keep alive.
Extremely hard to keep fish as many sites on them have quoted.
With such a price tag on them, might faint if they just "dies".

[fredtan]

quote:Originally posted by VinceTan

They are too, hard to keep alive.
Extremely hard to keep fish as many sites on them have quoted.
With such a price tag on them, might faint if they just "dies".


I totally agreed with you. It is hard to keep alive. Do not assume that if you are good at betta you can take care of macrostoma without problem. I still have a few pieces at home. However, I don't intend to buy anymore if they died on me. A few died during the past months. REMEMBER IT IS A PROTECTED FISH. It is near extinction. As such, it is not for the interest of macrostoma to acquire them and yet without assurance that you can keep them alive.

To my knowledge, only my friend Mohammed in Brunei had succeeded in spawning. I had seen the spawn myself. I can post the picture of the young fries in the aquarium tank at his house. Atison mentioned to me that he had succeeded spawning them a few times during the last few years. However, I have not seen picture of any of his fries. Hope to see the pictures of the fries to assure me that he had mastered the art of spawning this precious fish.

I can easily get more of these fishes, but for the interest of macrostoma, I try not to do it.

Anyone in Singapore dare claim that it is very easy to spawn macrostoma and very confident that he can do it, do let me know. I can pass a pair of these fishes to him if he can assure me that he can keep them in good health and will not die. Upon spawning he can take 1/2 of the fries. I will be very glad to pass him the fishes. REMEMBER HE MUST ASSURE ME THAT THE FISHES WILL BE IN GOOD HEALTH WHEN RETURNING TO ME. This is not a unreasonable demand. If he can't take care of the fishes, how can he spawn them.

For the interest of macrostoma, please try not to acquire any of these fishes unless you are certain that you have the expertise and money to take good care of them. PLEASE DON'T DO IT.

[Sebas]

Yes i agree with Fred.
B.Macrostoma is a protected strain, endangered in some parts of asia.
Despite the great interest in these beautiful fishes, I hope that fellow members and hobbyists will not attempt to buy any of these fishes in the near future. The fishes will be exposed to a totally different environment from their natural habitat, and will thus be weaker. With little known about their feeding behaviors and conditions in which they should be mantained, it will pose as a huge problem to the species if there should be anymore intake of such fishes from the wild.

Very nice fishes
Very rare fishes
Very fragile population.

[Samuel Phan]

Thanks Fred for sharing the info on macrostoma ...

[mervin]

quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

Hi Guys,

Just saw a pair last nite at Tiong Bahru market LFS (Ah Heng's store) .... asking price lower than $300.


Not sure if the fish have been purchased by anyone but the fish looks good (colour and size wise) despite being housed in a container no bigger than your typical fruit jam bottle.

Check it out ... ;)

.

With Best Regards,
Samuel Phan



that fish died !!!!
like u said....it was housed in a jam bottle....:(

[Myron Tay]

Just sharing a thread on one guy's successful attempt at breeding this beautiful but endangered fish:

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95184

Check out the pictures of the precious fries!

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1758307

[Myron Tay]

Another breeding account:

http://uk.geocities.com/mohdnooradnin/bmspawn.htm

[Myron Tay]

Another successful breeding account by Peter and update of fries from his first spawn:

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106792

[Myron Tay]

Excellents pictures of betta macrostomas from Peter at Arofanatics:

http://www.arofanatics.com/members/400k/macrostoma/

[LeeSeongTuck]

The macrostoma is not in the endangered listed as like in CITES definition. But it is protected by the Brunei government and you will need a permit to take the fishes out of the country, which is almost always denied. As CITES is international and Brunei is not, therefore it will be allowed to be traded outside Brunei, i.e. if you can get them out. But then how did our good friend Fred get so many and offered to get some more if anyone can prove that he can keep them alive ?
Food for thought !
rgds,

[Wayne]

Firstly, Fred, IMHO, leaving the macros there not spawning it is as bad as killing them. They are such a precious species, if anyone owns them for the sake of pleasure, that's bad. Recently, i talk to a betta supplier, and he told me he can find Macrostoma for me at just USD100/pair. Don't even dare to think about it now, cos I don't think I am good enough to breed them.

And how can I go so far as 400k from Arofanatics to buy chiller for them? At most I place them in my office. [bt]

Chen Han,call me a freak, I actually like very ugly and weird looking fish. [col]

[shaylynntan]

hey.. i went to stall selling fishes last year and i saw this type of fishes which are only sold at about $12 for one. Now it is so expensive... Cant believe it

[Wayne]

[col]cool...but shuldn't be what? Or was in 120?:D

[shaylynntan]

no... it stated 12 dollars on the bag it is in...

[Wayne]

[bt] I bet you are not talkking about macrostoma. You are talking about betta splenden right?

[HoSiewThean]

she talking 12 dollar on the bag at last year.

[Martin]

quote:Originally posted by Wayne

Firstly, Fred, IMHO, leaving the macros there not spawning it is as bad as killing them. They are such a precious species, if anyone owns them for the sake of pleasure, that's bad. Recently, i talk to a betta supplier, and he told me he can find Macrostoma for me at just USD100/pair. Don't even dare to think about it now, cos I don't think I am good enough to breed them.

And how can I go so far as 400k from Arofanatics to buy chiller for them? At most I place them in my office. [bt]

Chen Han,call me a freak, I actually like very ugly and weird looking fish. [col]


The Chiller will only cost you less than RM1000 . It can chill a few 4 feet tank connected in parallel .

[shaylynntan]

erm... it is not betta splenden.i am sure that it is macrostama

[Wayne]

That will be nice if we can find them at such price. :)

[Wayne]

Where in Singapore can i find macrostoma and unimaculata? And what is the price like? Anyone has any idea?

[juilian]

Cichlid Forever at Upper serangoon rd.

Eco culture at Eminent plaza.

[juilian]

Little freaks....

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/juilian/2004815144236_Mac1.jpg

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/juilian/2004815144251_Mac2.jpg

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/juilian/200481514433_Mac3.jpg

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/juilian/2004815144316_Mac4.jpg

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/juilian/2004815144327_Mac5.jpg

[Wayne]

Cool. Let's see, Upper Serangoon, should be no problem locating the shop. Eminent plaza.......Eminent Plaza....... so familiar yet cannot recall :D, so where is this plaza? I think the one in Eminent plaza should be easier to locate. :)
The one at lavendar right?

Sure i must check them out end of this month. :D Juilian, those are precious and cute freaks :D

[peter chan]

Hi Wayne,

this is peter - 400K from Arofanatics.

firstly, i totally do not agree with your humble opinion "leaving the macros there not spawning it is as bad as killing them. They are such a precious species, if anyone owns them for the sake of pleasure, that's bad"

do you spawn all your bettas? if you don't, why do you keep them?isn't it as good as killing them?

you think having a chiller for my macs are going too far.
hmm..then i wonder why there are hobbyists worldwide following
in my footsteps?

I am not against you on a personal level but I am deeply insulted
at the fact that "At most I place them in my office".

Yes, you are right.
you are not good enough to keep these beauties and never will be.



quote:Originally posted by Wayne

Firstly, Fred, IMHO, leaving the macros there not spawning it is as bad as killing them. They are such a precious species, if anyone owns them for the sake of pleasure, that's bad. Recently, i talk to a betta supplier, and he told me he can find Macrostoma for me at just USD100/pair. Don't even dare to think about it now, cos I don't think I am good enough to breed them.

And how can I go so far as 400k from Arofanatics to buy chiller for them? At most I place them in my office. [bt]

Chen Han,call me a freak, I actually like very ugly and weird looking fish. [col]

[Wayne]

Hi Peter, yes I spawn all my betta. :) I have heard you have sucessfuly spawn your macro isn't it? So that 400k is you. [8D]

Please do not get so annoy by what i say, because your were saying do not own macro if you dunno how to take care of it, and I totally i agree with you, but at the same time, i think that if we just leave it there doing nothing, isn't it so wasted?

Are you insulted by that I say at most i put them in my office? I guess your might not know that my office has got 24 hours air-conditioning. and has a stable temperature of 24.5degree (my last measure). Fridge and all that you need to keep food for the macro, sunlight, yeah, want some nice sea view for macro, no problem, just behind my seat. So, You still think I am trying to insult you?

By saying that i will not go as far as to buy a chiller is a compliment to you, noting that you are so dedicated to your macro. HOw much does a chiller cost you there, and how much does a chiller cost us here, i guess that makes so difference.

Last note, my office does is a better place for macro. :D Chill, dun take it too personal. No offence, I am not trying to verbally assult anyone. Sorry if i give you that kind of feeling. [bh]

[peter chan]

Hi Wayne,
Yes, i am the one.

Yes, I still stand by what I say. if you do not know how to take care of a macro or dog or arowana, please do not own it.

Do you know of anyone out there whom own a pair of adult macros and not try to spawn them but rather leave it there doin nothing?

You feel it's a waste but does that amount to killing them?

The truth is spawning macros is not a walk in the park.
If so it wouldn't be an endangered species and many others would have done it before me.

air conditioning can never be as constant as using a chiller
but of course it's better than nothing.
i understand you are looking at the other angle meaning putting it in your office
is a better option than putting it at home. but is it? Unless you work 7 days a week and there
is not a day in a year you do not go to your office.

I thank you for your compliment but when it comes to dedication, i can't hold a candle to my friend upstairs. he treats his "little freaks" like little princess and feeds them 4 times a day.
A chiller here is cheap nowadays with the trend of keeping marine. A Resun CL280 which is good for a 2ft tank can be bought for S$260.00 to S$280.00.But it not always necessary to have a chiller for macros.

I apologise if I was being too blunt. But I always have the well being of my pets at heart.
To the people overseas whom have approached me to buy macros, albis, unis etc..
My 1st and main concern is how will they collect them. Shipping for me is out of the question.

In my opinion, macros are still the king of wild bettas even though I do keep other types of wild bettas. As such, how can a beauty like this be neglected for the weekends in the office or subjected to stress from human?

[Wayne]

I totally agree with you. Actually, my love for macro has grown since the last second post when i say " how can i go so far like Peter to by a Chiller".....i guess, as for hobby, there is no "far" or "near". If you really like your pet, you will do just anything to keep them happy and in best shape. And, yes, if chiller is really necessary, i wil buy for my macro :p. Peter, i asked a supplier few days ago, a chiller her, a crappy china brand will cos RM1.5k!! [bh]

Peter, approximately how much would a chiller weight, for those SGD280 unit? But i think chiller is heavy right?

[peter chan]

wayne,

thank you for your message. i'm more than happy to make a new friend in penang.

this picture is for your viewing pleasure.
the reason why it's too good to be in the office coz it might get stolen.

As for the Resun CL280 or 300, it's pretty small, smaller than a 15" computor monitor and weights about5 - 8 kg. but like i said not all macros need chiller. the ones from borneo does not.

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/peter chan/200493224424_DSC05428m.jpg

[peter chan]

this pc is from borneo.

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/peter chan/20049322474_DSC05421m.jpg

[sylwester]

Very interesting indeed.. I know of a local shop that has bought 5 pairs of macrostomas, from Malaysia I think. Are there someone that knows their filiation number?

When you are talking about cold water.. How many degrees celcius is cold water?

There are also shops that says they can get macrostomas from singapore. Would that be from the same line as the ones from malaysia?

[Wayne]

OMG [:O]!!!! Peter!!! Those *freak* are stunningly beautiful!!! [ber]
Hmm....5-8kg is acceptable for carrying through to Malaysia. [}:)]

Borneo? What is your temp for you borneo macro? I have heard also that chiller is not absolute necessary, unless you want to spawn the macro. Chiller will create a more suitable temperature for them to spawn.

No on can steal my fish in my office, unless the cleaning lady come in and steal it.[eb] Well, it is still better to keep at home, so that I can enjoy looking at them in the weekend.

But is it okay if Macro are not being fed two days a week?

sylwester, i have read from many place and source, the optimum temperature for them is 25 degree celcious.

[Wayne]

OMG [:O]!!!! Peter!!! Those *freak* are stunningly beautiful!!! [ber]
Hmm....5-8kg is acceptable for carrying through to Malaysia. [}:)]

Borneo? What is your temp for you borneo macro? I have heard also that chiller is not absolute necessary, unless you want to spawn the macro. Chiller will create a more suitable temperature for them to spawn.

No on can steal my fish in my office, unless the cleaning lady come in and steal it.[eb] Well, it is still better to keep at home, so that I can enjoy looking at them in the weekend.

But is it okay if Macro are not being fed two days a week?

sylwester, i have read from many place and source, the optimum temperature for them is 25 degree celcious.

[Darren Cook]

hi im new to the forum but have noticed on aquabid the last couple of weeks a few posts of Macrostoma priced around $300

[Wayne]

Hi Darren.

Wow, that's something. :)

[Eli Badran]

http://www.atisonbetta.com/Stock6.asp

just saw this thread now!
take a look in this site!!!

PRICY!!!

[peter chan]

Hi Darren,

I assume you are talking about R bettas?
It would be interesting to find whom was the
breeder for these macros is.

Hi Eli,

Actually the price of USD400 per pair has been posted there for a long time
and it's actually on the high side.The market rate for them should be between US$2-300 per pair.

Hi Wayne,

My borneo macros are kept at room temp. I also keep 5 pcs of these borneo macros in my
air-con tank together with my bruneians.My chiller temp is at 26, anything cooler, condensation will form on the glass and I can't see my darlings.
it's ok if you dun feed them for 2 days and not necessary to have chiller to spawn borneo macros.

[Wayne]

Peter, thanks for your info. Nice to know that. Which macro do you find more to have more intense colour? The brunei one or the borneo one?

[Myron Tay]

Peter

Could I invite you to share with us the basics of maintaining these species for those of us who may be interested? I believe that the care and dedication required is not something that all of us who aspire to own one can provide, so it is best to set out the requirements for those considering. Please?

[Chee Wei]

quote:Originally posted by Wayne

Peter, thanks for your info. Nice to know that. Which macro do you find more to have more intense colour? The brunei one or the borneo one?


Isn't Brunei is part of Borneo? Did you mean Sabah/Sarawak/Kalimantan/Brunei?