What's the point of having rules and regulations?

[Lyon Goh]

This is posted by Spurs2000 by Mr Tony Tan in Arofanatics:


Very disppointed with the judging done during today NBC! Below are some of the issues which are happening which I felt that I need to point them out;

Issue 1
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The top 3 winners (B21st, B22nd & B23rd) have been named after the three judges have finished judging for the cat B2.

Then when the judges carry on with the cat B4, one of the judge found that a fish named "C328DTRED" should be benched on cat B2 instead of cat B4.

And to my surprise, the three judges have decided that cat B2 should be rejudge again because "C328DTRED" which should be bench in cat B2 is bench in the wrong category!

Then the rejudge for cat B2 was done with the three winners (B21st, B22nd & B23rd) & "C328DTRED".

And the eventually winner for cat B2 is "C328DTRED" instead of B21st!

Wasn't point number 7 of the Rules and Regulations stated that "The organizers reserve the right to re-classify entries in the event of wrong entry for any class/category - the participant will be informed thereafter. However, after benching, fish found in the wrong class/category will be disqualified."

How come the judges didn't disqualified "C328DTRED" when they found that the fish is bench on the wrong category???

Issue 2
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This should be the hot topic of this year NBC ! Yes it is about "Traditional Plakat"!

When the judges started to judge Class "F2" & "F3" (ie Traditional Plakat), they found that there is a lot of fishes in this class that should belong to HM Plakat (ie Short Finned Delta - Class "C3").

And the funny thing is, there is an argument among the three judges about what should be called "Traditional Plakat"!

And to all surprise again, the judges have decided to combined both Class "C3" (which winners have been named) & Class "F2" & "F3" together & to rejudge again, but only on the top 3 winners of both classes.

Eventually, the results disppointed some of the winners that have won on Class "C3" before as some end up loser after the combination! (yes, I am one of them)

[Lyon Goh]

Also by Mr Tony Tan
I am more disappointed when they disqualified my fish because I send a male into a female cat ! That I accepted it was my fault but I can't accepted why they didn't disqualified the fish that I stated in issue 1 of the above msg?

[Toh Chen Han]

Hi Lyon,

Don't think its appropriate to quote posts on other forums here. I don't think the author would like it at all. Would appreciate it if you removed it asap.

Thanks alot.

[Kelvin Tan]

Permission granted by Tony.

(Quote:)
Originally posted by Imbellis
Uncle Tony,
You mind i post your post in BCS forum to let them know?


no problem bro, carry on !

[Kelvin Tan]

fish show is not dog show so should allow changing of category, cos fishes originally slated for a category may become sick or off form.

[Lyon Goh]

Yup, permission is granted before i post

[Toh Chen Han]

Ok thanks Lyon and Kelvin!

[Myron Tay]

On issue 2, the judges decided that all the fish in F2 and F3 were more suitably re-classified to C2 and C3 respectively as none of them could suitably be classified as "Traditional Plakat".

As for the results that were heard over the grapevine, these are not the official results. The official results as released by BCS could be found here: http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1846&whichpage=2

[Lyon Goh]

But this should be human error i believe and winning fish should be given to those who correctly sent in Traditional Plakat right?

[Dr Hsu]

As expected, there would have been some disappointment and resentment with the reclassification of certain fish at the competition.

In the first case, judging is never complete before the final Grand Champion is selected, results reviewed and then officially released by the organizers. As such, the fishes in question did not win yet even if the judges had done their first selection and gone on to the next group. The judges were in the opinion that a good fish should have the opportunity to be judged against other similar fish at the show, as such, they decided to reclassify a couple of outstanding fish to the class they should have been in. If the fish is not of a quality to challenge previously selected fish, they would not have bothered to move it.

As for Traditional Plakats F2 and F3 classes, the judges thought ALL the fish were not of traditional plakat type and it would have more appropriate to put them into C2 and C3 respectively - in other words the two classes were combined. There were no fishes left for F2 and F3 to judge so the classes were cancelled. The only traditional plakats were in F1 and thus it was judged accordingly. As this was the first time something like this was attempted, and also because of the difficulty in classifying a lot of fish into one or another (see my thread under "plakat and wild type", this unprecedented act of moving all fish into another class was allowed. We knew this was going to be controversial but went through it anyway to allow outstanding fish a chance.

As for the male fish in a female class - that's a "no brainer". It would be akin to judging a dog in a cat show; comparing apples to oranges, etc. Even if not disqualified or reclassified he would not have won - he was not good enough, period.

Re-classification is quite common in betta shows local and overseas as well, and the same comments always turn up when it is done. Some will be happy and support it, others will be unhappy and condemn it; some will win, some will loose, but at the end of the day, the best fish wins.......

I'm sure this explanation will not satisfy everybody but the judges and organizers decision is final.

[dennistancheesim]

Thanks Dr Hsu...but i dun think tony is much worry about winning or losing ....he just dun think it fair that all....

sure you win some and lost some.....

but dun you think if it will be good to win some and not lose some...

but than again at the end of the day......judges and organizers decision is final

and do hope by the next com they do live by it...

well done all....many thanks...[puf][puf][ber]

[Dr Hsu]

quote:Originally posted by dennistancheesim

Thanks Dr Hsu...but i dun think tony is much worry about winning or losing ....he just dun think it fair that all....

sure you win some and lost some.....

but dun you think if it will be good to win some and not lose some...

but than again at the end of the day......judges and organizers decision is final

and do hope by the next com they do live by it...

well done all....many thanks...[puf][puf][ber]

Hi Dennnis,

No, I didn't think Tony sounded like he was too worried about winning or losing either. I think the judges wanted to be fair to the fish; they were concerned that a good fish is not given a chance to compete, thus the changes. Reminescent of what happened at the last IBC convention where some melano fishes were changed to bicolor....

Thanks for you help the last 2 days and I hope you all had fun!

[Lyon Goh]

Well, good job i must say

[dennistancheesim]

quote:Originally posted by Dr Hsu

quote:Originally posted by dennistancheesim

Thanks Dr Hsu...but i dun think tony is much worry about winning or losing ....he just dun think it fair that all....

sure you win some and lost some.....

but dun you think if it will be good to win some and not lose some...

but than again at the end of the day......judges and organizers decision is final

and do hope by the next com they do live by it...

well done all....many thanks...[puf][puf][ber]

Hi Dennnis,

No, I didn't think Tony sounded like he was too worried about winning or losing either. I think the judges wanted to be fair to the fish; they were concerned that a good fish is not given a chance to compete, thus the changes. Reminescent of what happened at the last IBC convention where some melano fishes were changed to bicolor....

Thanks for you help the last 2 days and I hope you all had fun!



hello Dr Hsu...alway happy to help out as much as i can...think nothing of it please...and you are most welcome anytime....we're doing for the fun of keeping Betta....
[ag]


as you have said...the judges wanted to be fair ...but what about those that the fish have come in to a place...and have to be remove it again...to them i dun it fair.....i dun think they do feel fair at all...it will be a very bad experience for them.....but than again,,,it over liao....and i do hope the club will make the next one with the help of the feedback we gave and learn from the experience..

if not lots of effort will go to nowhere...

thanks again..