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Chris Yew
15th October 2003, 10:24 PM
Yes, juz my thoughts on Traditional Show Plakats and not rule of the thumb. But before I post my article, lets have some fun;

Which one of the photo shown would you classify it to be a Traditional Show Plakat;

Pic 1;
http://a7.cpimg.com/image/8F/0C/24705167-78a6-0190012C-.jpg

Pic 2;
http://a8.cpimg.com/image/90/0C/24705168-e8a5-028001E0-.jpg
Photo credit : Mr.Yia

terence tan
16th October 2003, 12:50 AM
hi chris, quiz time again~? :D
IMHO, the first one in terms of its finnage. But the 3nd one because of its color. the 2nd one has a more distinctive color, more "natural" ? but its finnnage is more like a hm plakat. just my guesss, i know little about bettas and dunno much about plakats. but just my humble opinion. the first one has a more "natural" type of fiage as see in its caudal fin, but the ventrals are long....

so overall, my choice would be the 2nd one.
(i didnt read about plakats prior to this posting , so pls correct me if im wrong, thanks :D )

Lyon Goh
16th October 2003, 08:25 AM
The 2nd one would be a standard for show bettas. But 1st is the type of finnage that show is looking for as HM plakat isn't really a plakat but just a mutation

Shawn Gan
16th October 2003, 08:57 AM
My preference will still be for the 1st one as the traditional Show Plakats. The spade shape of the tail puts the character, even tot it's a natural mutation.
U don't really get to see a well-defined spade tail, long tail splendens often, lots of HMs of course, so traditional plakats should have a distinct trait instead of looking like a HM plakat or a minature HM splendens.
But then, HM plakats do look nice too :D

Thanks.....
Shawn :)

Dr Hsu
16th October 2003, 10:35 AM
Pic 1 is the traditional show plakat, although it's spade tail could be better defined. Note the following:

Long ventrals

Pointed anal

Spade tail

The other is you typical HM plakat - D shaped tail, more "rectangular" anal, and shorter, broader ventrals.

Traditional Show plakats should be defined on their own characteristics as they are very beautiful and have been shown according to these characteristics for many years.

HM plakats are nice too, but they should not take the place of tradition.....

Chris Yew
16th October 2003, 11:26 AM
Well, for those that said Pic 2 can be considered as Traditional Show Plakats then what about these two then;

Pic 3;
http://a2.cpimg.com/image/2E/A6/24733742-587e-01900151-.jpg

Pic 4;
http://a3.cpimg.com/image/2F/A6/24733743-8c66-01900133-.jpg


Photo credit : Mr.Yia

terence tan
16th October 2003, 11:52 AM
pic3 is a crownmoon, i love this kind, because of the long ventrals, and the rays.
pic4 is a masked imbellis? this one i'm not so sure...

i think im beginning to realise what you are trying to say... irregardless of colors, the finnage of traditional plakats should be the spade shape, the other mutations like crownmoon or hm plakat should not be deemd as traditional plakats? :D just a guess..

Myron Tay
16th October 2003, 01:37 PM
I am not a plakat fan, but I would personally like to see the development of the HM plakat for my own selfish reasons - there would be more choices for me to outcross my reds to. :D

terence tan
16th October 2003, 02:39 PM
hehe.. so nextime we'll get to see myron's reds in HM and HM plakats~ :D

Myron Tay
16th October 2003, 05:33 PM
I never say never, but quite unlikely. I only have time for HMs.

quote:Originally posted by terence tan

hehe.. so nextime we'll get to see myron's reds in HM and HM plakats~ :D

Chris Yew
17th October 2003, 05:08 PM
You are getting very close Terence!

This pic though resembles that of a plakat in some way but still can tell that it's a cross with Imbellis from the color and shape. Hence, personally I would not considered it to be a Traditional Show Plakat.
http://a3.cpimg.com/image/2F/A6/24733743-8c66-01900133-.jpg

quote:Originally posted by terence tan

pic3 is a crownmoon, i love this kind, because of the long ventrals, and the rays.
pic4 is a masked imbellis? this one i'm not so sure...

i think im beginning to realise what you are trying to say... irregardless of colors, the finnage of traditional plakats should be the spade shape, the other mutations like crownmoon or hm plakat should not be deemd as traditional plakats? :D just a guess..

Chris Yew
17th October 2003, 09:51 PM
OK, finally the article is done -
My Thoughts On Traditional Show Plakat at my site;
http://bettasonli.netfirms.com/article8a.html

Pls note that this article is based on my thoughts and should not be taken as rule of the thumb and I'm not insisting that I'm definitely right regarding what's stated in the article. So read with open mind and discuss. Thanks.
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Choy_jinhui
6th November 2003, 12:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

You are getting very close Terence!

This pic though resembles that of a plakat in some way but still can tell that it's a cross with Imbellis from the color and shape. Hence, personally I would not considered it to be a Traditional Show Plakat.
http://a3.cpimg.com/image/2F/A6/24733743-8c66-01900133-.jpg

[quote]Originally posted by terence tan

pic3 is a crownmoon, i love this kind, because of the long ventrals, and the rays.
pic4 is a masked imbellis? this one i'm not so sure...

i think im beginning to realise what you are trying to say... irregardless of colors, the finnage of traditional plakats should be the spade shape, the other mutations like crownmoon or hm plakat should not be deemd as traditional plakats? :D just a guess..
i have two that look like these.... Are they plakats[?][?]

Choy_jinhui
6th November 2003, 12:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by Chris Yew

You are getting very close Terence!

This pic though resembles that of a plakat in some way but still can tell that it's a cross with Imbellis from the color and shape. Hence, personally I would not considered it to be a Traditional Show Plakat.
http://a3.cpimg.com/image/2F/A6/24733743-8c66-01900133-.jpg

[quote]Originally posted by terence tan

pic3 is a crownmoon, i love this kind, because of the long ventrals, and the rays.
pic4 is a masked imbellis? this one i'm not so sure...

i think im beginning to realise what you are trying to say... irregardless of colors, the finnage of traditional plakats should be the spade shape, the other mutations like crownmoon or hm plakat should not be deemd as traditional plakats? :D just a guess..
i have two that look like these.... Are they plakats[?][?]