Gold / Copper Imbellis

[Chris Yew]

The trend is there already and is the IN THING now - Gold / Copper one!

Compare Straits Copper imbellis and Li Chieh Gold / Copper;

Straits under the Imbellis section;
http://www.straitsaquariums.com/gallery/

Li Chieh;
http://groups.msn.com/BettaClubSingaporePhotoGallery/bcs1stagm.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=43

Chris Yew

[Dr Hsu]

Wah, Straits also got! I thought I was the only one :)

Seriously, it's a really interesting color.....and in a couple of months, we'll see if this color will transfer to deltas! (actually will likely have to wait for F2).

Akan Datang

Regards,

Li Chieh

"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"
"The more I know, the more I know that there is more that I don't know!"

[Chris Yew]

If I'm not wrong, both yours and Straits colour are very similar right?



quote:
Wah, Straits also got! I thought I was the only one :)

Seriously, it's a really interesting color.....and in a couple of months, we'll see if this color will transfer to deltas! (actually will likely have to wait for F2).

Akan Datang

Regards,

Li Chieh

"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"
"The more I know, the more I know that there is more that I don't know!"


Chris Yew

[Dr Hsu]

Yes, they are essentially the same variety. ie this is a color variant of a wild type color, just rarer (thus likely more recessive) than the blues and greens.

Regards,

Li Chieh

"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"
"The more I know, the more I know that there is more that I don't know!"

[Toh Chen Han]

Dr Hsu, planning any spawns of the coppergold imb? =)

I'm big fan of imbellis...you may remember a cap donning dude who kept checking out your wild caught imbellis in the earlier part of the show!

[Toh Chen Han]

Dr Hsu, planning any spawns of the coppergold imb? =)

I'm big fan of imbellis...you may remember a cap donning dude who kept checking out your wild caught imbellis in the earlier part of the show!

[Dr Hsu]

Hi Chen Han,

Have done an outcross and now that I have a female imbellis, will think about doing a spawn. Don't expect any coppers in the F1 but perhaps in future generations.....

Regards,

Li Chieh

"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"
"The more I know, the more I know that there is more that I don't know!"

[Dr Hsu]

Hi Chen Han,

Have done an outcross and now that I have a female imbellis, will think about doing a spawn. Don't expect any coppers in the F1 but perhaps in future generations.....

Regards,

Li Chieh

"Good judgement is based on experience, and much of that is based on prior bad judgement!"
"The more I know, the more I know that there is more that I don't know!"

[Toh Chen Han]

Good luck! But meanwhile you will have a whole generation of non-coppers....hopefully they are interesting in their own right...maybe you will get new lines! =)

[Toh Chen Han]

Good luck! But meanwhile you will have a whole generation of non-coppers....hopefully they are interesting in their own right...maybe you will get new lines! =)

[derrick kuah]

hi, anyone looking for copperimbellis , i have a few to spare. also green and blue(cross between mask and imbellis) if you are interested call e-mail me or call 9316409. thank derrick++

[derrick kuah]

hi, anyone looking for copperimbellis , i have a few to spare. also green and blue(cross between mask and imbellis) if you are interested call e-mail me or call 9316409. thank derrick++

[Samuel Phan]

And now they have the silver imbellis ...

[Samuel Phan]

And now they have the silver imbellis ...

[derrick kuah]

sam, i have some silver now, understand they are actually breeded from copper. found very similar to copper except background colour and silver has those silver pearl all over face and head and also the tail colour very different from copper. also have one pcs of gold. it all metallic on body but very few pear on body.come anytime to view if you wanted to.also learned that copper are not wild caught. they are breeded from green imbellis and it taken them(thai) 4 years to come to present strain.the colour of copper range from dark red to light brown, some are metallic without pearl on body just liked those put up for aquabid at $400.00us type. that,s all thank derrick++

[derrick kuah]

sam, i have some silver now, understand they are actually breeded from copper. found very similar to copper except background colour and silver has those silver pearl all over face and head and also the tail colour very different from copper. also have one pcs of gold. it all metallic on body but very few pear on body.come anytime to view if you wanted to.also learned that copper are not wild caught. they are breeded from green imbellis and it taken them(thai) 4 years to come to present strain.the colour of copper range from dark red to light brown, some are metallic without pearl on body just liked those put up for aquabid at $400.00us type. that,s all thank derrick++

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys, I have just put up a pic of my male gold Imbellis bought from White Aquarium. You can find it in the BCS gallery or my website at: http://www.geocities.com/aurorabetta/gallery.html. Any comments are welcome.

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys, I have just put up a pic of my male gold Imbellis bought from White Aquarium. You can find it in the BCS gallery or my website at: http://www.geocities.com/aurorabetta/gallery.html. Any comments are welcome.

[Chris Yew]

That's nice one! How much did you pay?

[Chris Yew]

That's nice one! How much did you pay?

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Derrick,

Thanks for the invitation ... went down liow ... =)
Your house is amazing ... large/huge/spacious .... the ideal place for betta keeping.

Btw ... was told by Dr Hsu that coppers can be wild-catch as well ... which is confirmed by Artison.

But I supposed coppers do occur in the nature but in very small numbers ... kinda like mutation. But probably took the Thais 4 year to breed-true the coppers.


quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

sam, i have some silver now, understand they are actually breeded from copper. found very similar to copper except background colour and silver has those silver pearl all over face and head and also the tail colour very different from copper. also have one pcs of gold. it all metallic on body but very few pear on body.come anytime to view if you wanted to.also learned that copper are not wild caught. they are breeded from green imbellis and it taken them(thai) 4 years to come to present strain.the colour of copper range from dark red to light brown, some are metallic without pearl on body just liked those put up for aquabid at $400.00us type. that,s all thank derrick++

[Samuel Phan]

Hi Derrick,

Thanks for the invitation ... went down liow ... =)
Your house is amazing ... large/huge/spacious .... the ideal place for betta keeping.

Btw ... was told by Dr Hsu that coppers can be wild-catch as well ... which is confirmed by Artison.

But I supposed coppers do occur in the nature but in very small numbers ... kinda like mutation. But probably took the Thais 4 year to breed-true the coppers.


quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

sam, i have some silver now, understand they are actually breeded from copper. found very similar to copper except background colour and silver has those silver pearl all over face and head and also the tail colour very different from copper. also have one pcs of gold. it all metallic on body but very few pear on body.come anytime to view if you wanted to.also learned that copper are not wild caught. they are breeded from green imbellis and it taken them(thai) 4 years to come to present strain.the colour of copper range from dark red to light brown, some are metallic without pearl on body just liked those put up for aquabid at $400.00us type. that,s all thank derrick++

[Steven Cheng]

Hi Chris, I paid $350 for a pair. Female pic just up at my aurorabetta site. There were only two of such pairs available at White Aquarium. Both taken up. Heard there are two gold Imbellis males left selling at $100 to $150.

[Steven Cheng]

Hi Chris, I paid $350 for a pair. Female pic just up at my aurorabetta site. There were only two of such pairs available at White Aquarium. Both taken up. Heard there are two gold Imbellis males left selling at $100 to $150.

[Sebas]

Can i know whats the market price for a pair of copper imbellis?

[Sebas]

Can i know whats the market price for a pair of copper imbellis?

[Steven Cheng]

I know KY Foong have them and selling $130 per pair. I tried to save money and bought one pair with a "no ventrals" female for $110/- White Aquarium at Tampines (Tel:6782-0393) selling $80 per piece or $130 for a pair. So $130 is it!

[Steven Cheng]

I know KY Foong have them and selling $130 per pair. I tried to save money and bought one pair with a "no ventrals" female for $110/- White Aquarium at Tampines (Tel:6782-0393) selling $80 per piece or $130 for a pair. So $130 is it!

[derrick kuah]

Hi, if you are looking for copper /silver , i still have a few pairs available plus two copper males alredy spawned before. e-mail if you are interested thank and regard Derrick++

[derrick kuah]

Hi, if you are looking for copper /silver , i still have a few pairs available plus two copper males alredy spawned before. e-mail if you are interested thank and regard Derrick++

[Foo Hong]

So...has anyone F1 any copper or bronze to HMs yet?

[Foo Hong]

So...has anyone F1 any copper or bronze to HMs yet?

[Toh Chen Han]

what HM would you cross copper with?


quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

So...has anyone F1 any copper or bronze to HMs yet?

[Toh Chen Han]

what HM would you cross copper with?


quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

So...has anyone F1 any copper or bronze to HMs yet?

[Samuel Phan]

Someone have mentioned Irids as the Copper that is seen is probably an extreme form of the Irids.
But some also mentioned about using Reds due to the red base of the Imbellis.

So far no one really have an answer for that ...

Maybe Dr Hsu will have a better answer ....

[Samuel Phan]

Someone have mentioned Irids as the Copper that is seen is probably an extreme form of the Irids.
But some also mentioned about using Reds due to the red base of the Imbellis.

So far no one really have an answer for that ...

Maybe Dr Hsu will have a better answer ....

[Toh Chen Han]

hmmm...but i thought irids are like green blue steel turq...copper seems really out of the ordinary compared to the rest of the iridiscent fish.

red, i've never seen an irid red before (not counting those masked plakats with lots of red wash lah, talking about clean colours). maybe coppers are the missing link heheh.

well, i think we will know soon. as the proliferation of coppers continue people's hands will start itching and someone is bound to spawn copper with some delta soon. i think someone even posted on this in bettahan...crossing copper with cambo or mg or something.

but after foo hong's bleak predictions on the results (wash wash wash multi multi!!!) I think that fella may just give up. =)

[Toh Chen Han]

hmmm...but i thought irids are like green blue steel turq...copper seems really out of the ordinary compared to the rest of the iridiscent fish.

red, i've never seen an irid red before (not counting those masked plakats with lots of red wash lah, talking about clean colours). maybe coppers are the missing link heheh.

well, i think we will know soon. as the proliferation of coppers continue people's hands will start itching and someone is bound to spawn copper with some delta soon. i think someone even posted on this in bettahan...crossing copper with cambo or mg or something.

but after foo hong's bleak predictions on the results (wash wash wash multi multi!!!) I think that fella may just give up. =)

[derrick kuah]

Hi, chenhan, noticed my copper spawn,s fries( both spawns) developing metallic irees on anal,dorsai fins. bodies are brown to golden. maybe colours are not well developed yet.seem that some have green/brown matellic colours.they are about half an inches now. will keep you inform on mahachia and mahachia x maskimbellis spawns. thank ++ derrick++

[derrick kuah]

Hi, chenhan, noticed my copper spawn,s fries( both spawns) developing metallic irees on anal,dorsai fins. bodies are brown to golden. maybe colours are not well developed yet.seem that some have green/brown matellic colours.they are about half an inches now. will keep you inform on mahachia and mahachia x maskimbellis spawns. thank ++ derrick++

[Toh Chen Han]

hmm...yeah i forgot about the green on coppers. may be a 'structural colour' cos it can only be seen from certain angles on mine. some of my coppers don't have the green tinge. i think u have to give them time to develop irids on their bodies. i notice for imbellis the body irids improve steadily as the fish ages. i got some small ones at 2 months last time...already nice fish, but as they grew up they got even better. parts of the fish which didn't have irid scales later beccame nice and shiny!

half an inch still pretty small...hope u update us on later developments =)

u have masked imbellis spawns? how are the mahacai fries?

[Toh Chen Han]

hmm...yeah i forgot about the green on coppers. may be a 'structural colour' cos it can only be seen from certain angles on mine. some of my coppers don't have the green tinge. i think u have to give them time to develop irids on their bodies. i notice for imbellis the body irids improve steadily as the fish ages. i got some small ones at 2 months last time...already nice fish, but as they grew up they got even better. parts of the fish which didn't have irid scales later beccame nice and shiny!

half an inch still pretty small...hope u update us on later developments =)

u have masked imbellis spawns? how are the mahacai fries?

[Foo Hong]

With all you guys doing these stuff, a new breed will be in the pipeline soon.

maybe got aluminium betta or stainless steel betta :D

[Foo Hong]

With all you guys doing these stuff, a new breed will be in the pipeline soon.

maybe got aluminium betta or stainless steel betta :D

[Steven Cheng]

Hi Guys,
I have just visited Straits Aquariums and found a few Imbellis/plakats with shiny stainless steel scales all over the body that the fish look almost metallic. I was also shown a few telescopic eyed bettas that the boss is going to register as a new breed.

[Steven Cheng]

Hi Guys,
I have just visited Straits Aquariums and found a few Imbellis/plakats with shiny stainless steel scales all over the body that the fish look almost metallic. I was also shown a few telescopic eyed bettas that the boss is going to register as a new breed.

[Foo Hong]

telescopic eye as in godlfish? is it pop eye or what.

[Foo Hong]

telescopic eye as in godlfish? is it pop eye or what.

[Sebas]

that i gonna see for myself. you sure he showed u a betta and not a goldfish?

[Sebas]

that i gonna see for myself. you sure he showed u a betta and not a goldfish?

[Steven Cheng]

There were three or four turquiose telescopic bettas. I asked the same question of whether they are suffering from pop eyes but the boss said they can breed and get some more telescopic eye bettas. Sebas, you are probably going to be given a pleasant surprise.

[Steven Cheng]

There were three or four turquiose telescopic bettas. I asked the same question of whether they are suffering from pop eyes but the boss said they can breed and get some more telescopic eye bettas. Sebas, you are probably going to be given a pleasant surprise.

[Foo Hong]

Ha...I saw a telescopic eye betta at the MBA show. Oh hack, I was made one of the judges and asked to judge that category for 'any other flaring objects'.

It really resemble a goldfish from above water. Oh well how do you accord score to such a fish in a category where all the weird betta characters are mixed....:(

[Foo Hong]

Ha...I saw a telescopic eye betta at the MBA show. Oh hack, I was made one of the judges and asked to judge that category for 'any other flaring objects'.

It really resemble a goldfish from above water. Oh well how do you accord score to such a fish in a category where all the weird betta characters are mixed....:(

[Samuel Phan]

Saw the fish at Straits as well ....
Funny looking ... exactly like those special goldfish with protruding eyes that looks sky-up.

Special ... but it probably takes somes getting used to really appreciate them.

[Samuel Phan]

Saw the fish at Straits as well ....
Funny looking ... exactly like those special goldfish with protruding eyes that looks sky-up.

Special ... but it probably takes somes getting used to really appreciate them.

[Toh Chen Han]

Sam, u know what those goldfish with eyes looking up are called? Celestials... Heheh =P

They were bred by the Chinese so that the Emperor could appreciate them better when he looked down at them swimmin at the bottom of the tall chinese vases.

New business opportunity: betta vases? =)



quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

Saw the fish at Straits as well ....
Funny looking ... exactly like those special goldfish with protruding eyes that looks sky-up.

Special ... but it probably takes somes getting used to really appreciate them.

[Toh Chen Han]

Sam, u know what those goldfish with eyes looking up are called? Celestials... Heheh =P

They were bred by the Chinese so that the Emperor could appreciate them better when he looked down at them swimmin at the bottom of the tall chinese vases.

New business opportunity: betta vases? =)



quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

Saw the fish at Straits as well ....
Funny looking ... exactly like those special goldfish with protruding eyes that looks sky-up.

Special ... but it probably takes somes getting used to really appreciate them.

[Dr Hsu]

Look like the coppers breed true - my spawn is 100% copper.

[Dr Hsu]

Look like the coppers breed true - my spawn is 100% copper.

[Toh Chen Han]

Hmmm, looks like you were right, it seems to follow a simple dominant-recessive gene relationship with green. My green spawn threw about 15% copper (maybe more but due to deaths etc the end number was such).

[Toh Chen Han]

Hmmm, looks like you were right, it seems to follow a simple dominant-recessive gene relationship with green. My green spawn threw about 15% copper (maybe more but due to deaths etc the end number was such).

[Foo Hong]

Woow. Hsu, did you get any copper deltas or close to delta coppers. if dom-rec , then I will be int to breed the best copper delta you have to my best turq HM. in 8 mths time we can enter it at the UBC 2003 convention !!!!!

[Foo Hong]

Woow. Hsu, did you get any copper deltas or close to delta coppers. if dom-rec , then I will be int to breed the best copper delta you have to my best turq HM. in 8 mths time we can enter it at the UBC 2003 convention !!!!!

[Toh Chen Han]

Hi Foo Hong,

Just wondering why you would cross a copper to a turq? Wouldn't the colours be mismatched?

Just curious

Chen Han

quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

Woow. Hsu, did you get any copper deltas or close to delta coppers. if dom-rec , then I will be int to breed the best copper delta you have to my best turq HM. in 8 mths time we can enter it at the UBC 2003 convention !!!!!

[Toh Chen Han]

Hi Foo Hong,

Just wondering why you would cross a copper to a turq? Wouldn't the colours be mismatched?

Just curious

Chen Han

quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

Woow. Hsu, did you get any copper deltas or close to delta coppers. if dom-rec , then I will be int to breed the best copper delta you have to my best turq HM. in 8 mths time we can enter it at the UBC 2003 convention !!!!!

[Dr Hsu]

Foo Hong,

This is my pure copper imbellis spawn so no deltas.

F1 of Copper x turq is comming up next - so far has not spawned yet. From Chen Han's observation, should get 25% coppers. I want to cross those with your turq line, then F1 again and we should get better copper deltas(dare I say SD/HM?:)) in F2, F3....Definately in time for IBC 2003, possibly Aquarama 2003 if we work fast.

So how? Joint project??

[Dr Hsu]

Foo Hong,

This is my pure copper imbellis spawn so no deltas.

F1 of Copper x turq is comming up next - so far has not spawned yet. From Chen Han's observation, should get 25% coppers. I want to cross those with your turq line, then F1 again and we should get better copper deltas(dare I say SD/HM?:)) in F2, F3....Definately in time for IBC 2003, possibly Aquarama 2003 if we work fast.

So how? Joint project??

[Toh Chen Han]

Dr Hsu, actually i dun think u will get 25% copper in your F1 with turq.

U will get 25% copper only if both parents are heterozygous, each carrying one copper allele. If you are right that copper is recessive, then since your turq is homozygous (or in any case does not carry the (postulated) copper gene), the spawn will not have any copper. All the fries will by heterozygous and hence not display the copper pheno.

In order to produce copper deltas I think have to spawn the copper (postulate they carry double copper alleles) with some HM..say the turq you suggested. The spawn will probably be all turq or multis - (mixed veiltails and short tails?) But all the fries will carry one copper allele.

Select a few pairs with best finnage...breed again...this time the F2 will throw 25% copper (finnage i dont know...maybe mix of delta, veil and short tail).

[Toh Chen Han]

Dr Hsu, actually i dun think u will get 25% copper in your F1 with turq.

U will get 25% copper only if both parents are heterozygous, each carrying one copper allele. If you are right that copper is recessive, then since your turq is homozygous (or in any case does not carry the (postulated) copper gene), the spawn will not have any copper. All the fries will by heterozygous and hence not display the copper pheno.

In order to produce copper deltas I think have to spawn the copper (postulate they carry double copper alleles) with some HM..say the turq you suggested. The spawn will probably be all turq or multis - (mixed veiltails and short tails?) But all the fries will carry one copper allele.

Select a few pairs with best finnage...breed again...this time the F2 will throw 25% copper (finnage i dont know...maybe mix of delta, veil and short tail).

[Toh Chen Han]

Think I see the logic in using turq now.

[Toh Chen Han]

Think I see the logic in using turq now.

[Samuel Phan]

So now the ultimate combination ...

Koi-plakat with protruding eyes ... best appreciated when looked from the top. ;)


quote:Originally posted by tohchenhan

Sam, u know what those goldfish with eyes looking up are called? Celestials... Heheh =P

They were bred by the Chinese so that the Emperor could appreciate them better when he looked down at them swimmin at the bottom of the tall chinese vases.

New business opportunity: betta vases? =)



quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

Saw the fish at Straits as well ....
Funny looking ... exactly like those special goldfish with protruding eyes that looks sky-up.

Special ... but it probably takes somes getting used to really appreciate them.

[Samuel Phan]

So now the ultimate combination ...

Koi-plakat with protruding eyes ... best appreciated when looked from the top. ;)


quote:Originally posted by tohchenhan

Sam, u know what those goldfish with eyes looking up are called? Celestials... Heheh =P

They were bred by the Chinese so that the Emperor could appreciate them better when he looked down at them swimmin at the bottom of the tall chinese vases.

New business opportunity: betta vases? =)



quote:Originally posted by Samuel Phan

Saw the fish at Straits as well ....
Funny looking ... exactly like those special goldfish with protruding eyes that looks sky-up.

Special ... but it probably takes somes getting used to really appreciate them.

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys, got excited hearing Dr. Hsu's result. I went back to Straits Aquariums searching for the fish that I saw earlier with Imbellis (copper) body and reddish delta caudal fin(mid-length like crown moon). The boss Mr. Yeo said It(they) died(and the others were exported earlier). If anyone can find that fish, can sure save a lot of time and efforts.

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys, got excited hearing Dr. Hsu's result. I went back to Straits Aquariums searching for the fish that I saw earlier with Imbellis (copper) body and reddish delta caudal fin(mid-length like crown moon). The boss Mr. Yeo said It(they) died(and the others were exported earlier). If anyone can find that fish, can sure save a lot of time and efforts.

[Steven Cheng]

One question here guys. Are the locally caught wild bettas (Imbellis?) (MacRitchie, Sembawang areas) same as those wild Imbellis from Thailand and Malaysia? I cannot tell the difference. Please advise.

[Steven Cheng]

One question here guys. Are the locally caught wild bettas (Imbellis?) (MacRitchie, Sembawang areas) same as those wild Imbellis from Thailand and Malaysia? I cannot tell the difference. Please advise.

[Toh Chen Han]

Maybe you can post a picture?

[Toh Chen Han]

Maybe you can post a picture?

[Steven Cheng]

I have just bought them and they are very jittery at the moment. Can try to take pictures but think they will be colourless. Will inform all when pics are ready.

[Steven Cheng]

I have just bought them and they are very jittery at the moment. Can try to take pictures but think they will be colourless. Will inform all when pics are ready.

[Dr Hsu]

Chen Han: my F1 are 50% copper. You have described exactly what I am trying to do now.

Steven: Was not aware that there were still locally available imbellis. Where to get?? Heard that in the old days, the wild fish in some areas are almost black in color......

[Dr Hsu]

Chen Han: my F1 are 50% copper. You have described exactly what I am trying to do now.

Steven: Was not aware that there were still locally available imbellis. Where to get?? Heard that in the old days, the wild fish in some areas are almost black in color......

[Steven Cheng]

I have just taken the pics of the local Imbellis. Please click on the links to view two pics of the same fish.
http://www.geocities.com/aurorabetta/msimbellis1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/aurorabetta/msimbellis2.jpg
Oh, the links do not work here. Please copy and paste the Urls. Thanks

[Steven Cheng]

I have just taken the pics of the local Imbellis. Please click on the links to view two pics of the same fish.
http://www.geocities.com/aurorabetta/msimbellis1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/aurorabetta/msimbellis2.jpg
Oh, the links do not work here. Please copy and paste the Urls. Thanks

[Steven Cheng]

Dr. Hsu, I have quite a few fish (big and small). Bought 6 at $8/- a piece, but the owner gave the rest of the smaller ones to me (a real big bargain!) so must be local imbellis (very wild, jittery etc). If you want, can pass 2 pieces (f.o.c.) to share with you.

[Steven Cheng]

Dr. Hsu, I have quite a few fish (big and small). Bought 6 at $8/- a piece, but the owner gave the rest of the smaller ones to me (a real big bargain!) so must be local imbellis (very wild, jittery etc). If you want, can pass 2 pieces (f.o.c.) to share with you.

[Dr Hsu]

Steven,

Don't mean to doubt you but are these really caught in Singapore? Was told they can't be found here anymore and more than 1 seller has been know to say all kinds of things just to make sales...

[Dr Hsu]

Steven,

Don't mean to doubt you but are these really caught in Singapore? Was told they can't be found here anymore and more than 1 seller has been know to say all kinds of things just to make sales...

[Steven Cheng]

I was told the rough location to find them. We can go local Imbellis hunting if I can get more exact locational description. Subject quite sensitive, like the mosquito larvae issue. (can e-mail me if details are needed)

Where else can the Imbellis come from? Imported at $4/- a piece? It could be that someone is secretly mass producing these local "wild" Imbellis, but the lot that I bought really do not look like they are cultured (mixed sizes from 1.5 cm to 3.5 cm). I do not mind as long as I get wild Imbellis.

[Steven Cheng]

I was told the rough location to find them. We can go local Imbellis hunting if I can get more exact locational description. Subject quite sensitive, like the mosquito larvae issue. (can e-mail me if details are needed)

Where else can the Imbellis come from? Imported at $4/- a piece? It could be that someone is secretly mass producing these local "wild" Imbellis, but the lot that I bought really do not look like they are cultured (mixed sizes from 1.5 cm to 3.5 cm). I do not mind as long as I get wild Imbellis.

[Dr Hsu]

Betta hunting.....our betta hunter Foo Hong will surely jump at this opportunity! We have been talking about doing this for a loooonnnggg time but have not gotten our act together. Of course will be interested...problem is when to find time! We will discuss this further![:p]

[Dr Hsu]

Betta hunting.....our betta hunter Foo Hong will surely jump at this opportunity! We have been talking about doing this for a loooonnnggg time but have not gotten our act together. Of course will be interested...problem is when to find time! We will discuss this further![:p]

[Foo Hong]

iF YOU POINT A 9MM CALIBRE PISTOL AT MY HEAD, I SAY...NADA....in Singapore..kekkeeke
You can catch hundreds of them in malaysia....apparently many habitats destroyed or altered but eastern part of msia peninsula around trengganu apparently still have a lot.

[Foo Hong]

iF YOU POINT A 9MM CALIBRE PISTOL AT MY HEAD, I SAY...NADA....in Singapore..kekkeeke
You can catch hundreds of them in malaysia....apparently many habitats destroyed or altered but eastern part of msia peninsula around trengganu apparently still have a lot.

[Steven Cheng]

Well, my common sense tells me that best season for betta hunting is during the dry season, and we have the December major event coming anyway. So, can think and plan about it after Chinese New Year. For the time being, I might give it a go alone first, just for the fun of it.

Has anyone taken a look at the pictures of the local wild Imbellis yet? Any comments?

[Steven Cheng]

Well, my common sense tells me that best season for betta hunting is during the dry season, and we have the December major event coming anyway. So, can think and plan about it after Chinese New Year. For the time being, I might give it a go alone first, just for the fun of it.

Has anyone taken a look at the pictures of the local wild Imbellis yet? Any comments?

[Foo Hong]

Hsu, u already F-ed yr copper imbellis?[:p] Why didnt say so? :)
I was just too lazy to work another experiment, thank you for doing it ...saves me bbs n water changes..:D:D:D

Can u quickly pump up yr biggest copper delta female F1 . No can wait anymore. We will need at least 3 generations to get anything close to SD or HM...from my experience doing funny crosses. If we work fast and cull fast, aquarama 2003 is possible [^]

We must work quick! coming over this w/e. We can take turns to f1,f2 n fn ;)

quote:Originally posted by Dr Hsu

Chen Han: my F1 are 50% copper. You have described exactly what I am trying to do now.

Steven: Was not aware that there were still locally available imbellis. Where to get?? Heard that in the old days, the wild fish in some areas are almost black in color......

[Foo Hong]

Hsu, u already F-ed yr copper imbellis?[:p] Why didnt say so? :)
I was just too lazy to work another experiment, thank you for doing it ...saves me bbs n water changes..:D:D:D

Can u quickly pump up yr biggest copper delta female F1 . No can wait anymore. We will need at least 3 generations to get anything close to SD or HM...from my experience doing funny crosses. If we work fast and cull fast, aquarama 2003 is possible [^]

We must work quick! coming over this w/e. We can take turns to f1,f2 n fn ;)

quote:Originally posted by Dr Hsu

Chen Han: my F1 are 50% copper. You have described exactly what I am trying to do now.

Steven: Was not aware that there were still locally available imbellis. Where to get?? Heard that in the old days, the wild fish in some areas are almost black in color......

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys,
Just found the following site to have developed Imbellis HM. Think it useful for reference:

http://www.bangkokrainbow.com/intro.htm

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys,
Just found the following site to have developed Imbellis HM. Think it useful for reference:

http://www.bangkokrainbow.com/intro.htm

[Foo Hong]

i find it very confusing, and dont know what his objective is. More like tee-kum tee-kum.

[Foo Hong]

i find it very confusing, and dont know what his objective is. More like tee-kum tee-kum.

[Toh Chen Han]

maybe he wants to produce an irid HM with mask....most irids I see have black heads.


quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

i find it very confusing, and dont know what his objective is. More like tee-kum tee-kum.

[Toh Chen Han]

maybe he wants to produce an irid HM with mask....most irids I see have black heads.


quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

i find it very confusing, and dont know what his objective is. More like tee-kum tee-kum.

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys,

I intend to "purify" my white gold imbellis to get the golden arowana-lookalike type of golden imbellis.

There were quite a few of these white gold imbellis at the competition, but all have varying degree of red wash on the body and fins.

Would like to tap the vast pool of experiences here. Any suggestions as to how to do it?

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys,

I intend to "purify" my white gold imbellis to get the golden arowana-lookalike type of golden imbellis.

There were quite a few of these white gold imbellis at the competition, but all have varying degree of red wash on the body and fins.

Would like to tap the vast pool of experiences here. Any suggestions as to how to do it?

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys,

I intend to "purify" my white gold imbellis to get the golden arowana-lookalike type of golden imbellis.

There were quite a few of these white gold imbellis at the competition, but all have varying degree of red wash on the body and fins.

Would like to tap the vast pool of experiences here. Any suggestions as to how to do it?

[Foo Hong]

errr...what is a white gold? platinum? How many carats!

Oh BTW whoever manages to produce the first SD copper let me know...I will dive in!

[Foo Hong]

errr...what is a white gold? platinum? How many carats!

Oh BTW whoever manages to produce the first SD copper let me know...I will dive in!

[Foo Hong]

errr...what is a white gold? platinum? How many carats!

Oh BTW whoever manages to produce the first SD copper let me know...I will dive in!

[Toh Chen Han]

Hi Steven

If you want to produce the golden aro type colour I don't really think the whitegolds are the way to go. Their base colour is just too light, and from a distance they basically look like white plakats. It is only when light is reflected off the scales and fins from a certain angle that the gold sheen becomes apparent.

If you saw Derrick's winning (wild category) coppergold, I think that is a more promising starting point. I don't know if you have spawned coppergolds but I notice from those I've seen (fren's spawns etc) there is really quite a wide range of shades from very charcoal black base, to medium brown tone (these become coppergolds I think), to even a golden yellow base (I am most interested in how these develop), and at the lightest of course the whitegolds.

Foo Hong, all the references to the various precious and semi=precious metals are just coined terms to differentiate the different shades in the copper strains. Not official names but at least in certain circles they are useful references because we know what we are referring to heheh.

=)

[Toh Chen Han]

Hi Steven

If you want to produce the golden aro type colour I don't really think the whitegolds are the way to go. Their base colour is just too light, and from a distance they basically look like white plakats. It is only when light is reflected off the scales and fins from a certain angle that the gold sheen becomes apparent.

If you saw Derrick's winning (wild category) coppergold, I think that is a more promising starting point. I don't know if you have spawned coppergolds but I notice from those I've seen (fren's spawns etc) there is really quite a wide range of shades from very charcoal black base, to medium brown tone (these become coppergolds I think), to even a golden yellow base (I am most interested in how these develop), and at the lightest of course the whitegolds.

Foo Hong, all the references to the various precious and semi=precious metals are just coined terms to differentiate the different shades in the copper strains. Not official names but at least in certain circles they are useful references because we know what we are referring to heheh.

=)

[Toh Chen Han]

Hi Steven

If you want to produce the golden aro type colour I don't really think the whitegolds are the way to go. Their base colour is just too light, and from a distance they basically look like white plakats. It is only when light is reflected off the scales and fins from a certain angle that the gold sheen becomes apparent.

If you saw Derrick's winning (wild category) coppergold, I think that is a more promising starting point. I don't know if you have spawned coppergolds but I notice from those I've seen (fren's spawns etc) there is really quite a wide range of shades from very charcoal black base, to medium brown tone (these become coppergolds I think), to even a golden yellow base (I am most interested in how these develop), and at the lightest of course the whitegolds.

Foo Hong, all the references to the various precious and semi=precious metals are just coined terms to differentiate the different shades in the copper strains. Not official names but at least in certain circles they are useful references because we know what we are referring to heheh.

=)

[Foo Hong]

Besides Hsu, can we have a show of ventrals how many of you are doing the copper/bronze/gold/rust/etc SD? And yr progress to date pls....work faster hello....buy more food!

[Foo Hong]

Besides Hsu, can we have a show of ventrals how many of you are doing the copper/bronze/gold/rust/etc SD? And yr progress to date pls....work faster hello....buy more food!

[Foo Hong]

Besides Hsu, can we have a show of ventrals how many of you are doing the copper/bronze/gold/rust/etc SD? And yr progress to date pls....work faster hello....buy more food!

[Toh Chen Han]

I'm sure some Thai breeder has done it already...would save time to just order. =)

[Toh Chen Han]

I'm sure some Thai breeder has done it already...would save time to just order. =)

[Toh Chen Han]

I'm sure some Thai breeder has done it already...would save time to just order. =)

[Steven Cheng]

Thank you Chen Han. That is why I am waiting to see the results of the coppergold spawns. As for my white gold spawns, 1st spawn failed completely while only 4 fry are left (now 2+ weeks), so too early to see anything. FYI, I have not bought any coppergold yet.

[Steven Cheng]

Thank you Chen Han. That is why I am waiting to see the results of the coppergold spawns. As for my white gold spawns, 1st spawn failed completely while only 4 fry are left (now 2+ weeks), so too early to see anything. FYI, I have not bought any coppergold yet.

[Steven Cheng]

Thank you Chen Han. That is why I am waiting to see the results of the coppergold spawns. As for my white gold spawns, 1st spawn failed completely while only 4 fry are left (now 2+ weeks), so too early to see anything. FYI, I have not bought any coppergold yet.

[Toh Chen Han]

Ok good luck Steven. You are welcome to see my spawn in several weeks time if you like. If you are thinking of getting coppergolds, you can check with Derrick and Juilian, both of whom have good quality specimens on sale at the moment.

[Toh Chen Han]

Ok good luck Steven. You are welcome to see my spawn in several weeks time if you like. If you are thinking of getting coppergolds, you can check with Derrick and Juilian, both of whom have good quality specimens on sale at the moment.

[Toh Chen Han]

Ok good luck Steven. You are welcome to see my spawn in several weeks time if you like. If you are thinking of getting coppergolds, you can check with Derrick and Juilian, both of whom have good quality specimens on sale at the moment.

[Steven Cheng]

Thanks Chen Han. I am definitely going to Juilian's open house this Sunday and will also arrange to view Derrick's fish.

Foo Hong, you can tell roughly the number of copper ventrals here. Maybe a few more who just read and have not post yet. FYI, I am not doing imbellis SD at the moment.

[Steven Cheng]

Thanks Chen Han. I am definitely going to Juilian's open house this Sunday and will also arrange to view Derrick's fish.

Foo Hong, you can tell roughly the number of copper ventrals here. Maybe a few more who just read and have not post yet. FYI, I am not doing imbellis SD at the moment.

[Steven Cheng]

Thanks Chen Han. I am definitely going to Juilian's open house this Sunday and will also arrange to view Derrick's fish.

Foo Hong, you can tell roughly the number of copper ventrals here. Maybe a few more who just read and have not post yet. FYI, I am not doing imbellis SD at the moment.

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys,

Take a look at this picture:

http://arofanatics.com/members/opaque/betta/

Someone must quickly call Dr. Fred Chua. (joking only...ha..ha)

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys,

Take a look at this picture:

http://arofanatics.com/members/opaque/betta/

Someone must quickly call Dr. Fred Chua. (joking only...ha..ha)

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys,

Take a look at this picture:

http://arofanatics.com/members/opaque/betta/

Someone must quickly call Dr. Fred Chua. (joking only...ha..ha)

[Jung]

From my limited experience, I suspect copper is not recessive to green in imbillis (at least not a simple mendellian recessive). Could be dominant, actually, or something complex like multi gene inheritance, sex-linked, or co-dominant. Will need couple more experiments to confirm.

[Jung]

From my limited experience, I suspect copper is not recessive to green in imbillis (at least not a simple mendellian recessive). Could be dominant, actually, or something complex like multi gene inheritance, sex-linked, or co-dominant. Will need couple more experiments to confirm.

[Jung]

From my limited experience, I suspect copper is not recessive to green in imbillis (at least not a simple mendellian recessive). Could be dominant, actually, or something complex like multi gene inheritance, sex-linked, or co-dominant. Will need couple more experiments to confirm.

[Toh Chen Han]

Now now Steven, that's what you get for allowing your bettas to go out on late nights with the LHs.

[Toh Chen Han]

Now now Steven, that's what you get for allowing your bettas to go out on late nights with the LHs.

[Toh Chen Han]

Now now Steven, that's what you get for allowing your bettas to go out on late nights with the LHs.

[Toh Chen Han]

Jung, mind sharing your observations with green/copper spawns? My copper spawn produce no green, but green spawn produce about a quarter copper (albeit low grade).

[Toh Chen Han]

Jung, mind sharing your observations with green/copper spawns? My copper spawn produce no green, but green spawn produce about a quarter copper (albeit low grade).

[Toh Chen Han]

Jung, mind sharing your observations with green/copper spawns? My copper spawn produce no green, but green spawn produce about a quarter copper (albeit low grade).

[Steven Cheng]

That "Kok Tau" betta was not my fish. Just found it funny looking. Maybe if it can breed true, some Luohan fanatics would switch over to betta.

[Steven Cheng]

That "Kok Tau" betta was not my fish. Just found it funny looking. Maybe if it can breed true, some Luohan fanatics would switch over to betta.

[Dr Hsu]

Copper is definately not dominant to green and is likely recessive, possibly co-dominant. If Chen Han's green spawn threw up some coppers (and if less than 50%, closer to 25%) then it is likely recessive rather than co-dominant. I can't confirm this last bit 'cause my *#@%! F1 spawns have been downright disappointing - 3 spawns with different females and all seemed to be infertile! Maybe it's a lethal gene :)[?]. Will keep trying once they condition up again.......

[Dr Hsu]

Copper is definately not dominant to green and is likely recessive, possibly co-dominant. If Chen Han's green spawn threw up some coppers (and if less than 50%, closer to 25%) then it is likely recessive rather than co-dominant. I can't confirm this last bit 'cause my *#@%! F1 spawns have been downright disappointing - 3 spawns with different females and all seemed to be infertile! Maybe it's a lethal gene :)[?]. Will keep trying once they condition up again.......

[Jung]

I might be wrong abt the copper/green. Will confirm before commenting further. Got a few more copperxgreen and copperxcopper geno spawns growing up, should be able to see the colour in another 2 weeks (slow growing).

[Jung]

I might be wrong abt the copper/green. Will confirm before commenting further. Got a few more copperxgreen and copperxcopper geno spawns growing up, should be able to see the colour in another 2 weeks (slow growing).

[Toh Chen Han]

Hi Jung, good luck, and I hope you can share your observations with us! Actually I do hear stories of coppers producing green offspring so the question is far from settled.

[Toh Chen Han]

Hi Jung, good luck, and I hope you can share your observations with us! Actually I do hear stories of coppers producing green offspring so the question is far from settled.

[derrick kuah]

hi jung , if your copper are from me then you can rest assure ,they will give you 100%copper(a good nos of gold).look at chenhan (many white gold and gold)and eugene(same as chenhan)as for mine(2 spawns)i got 75%gold and the rest copper with golden finnages.good luck to your spawn and happy dreaming of gold. thanks and regards Derrick++

[derrick kuah]

hi jung , if your copper are from me then you can rest assure ,they will give you 100%copper(a good nos of gold).look at chenhan (many white gold and gold)and eugene(same as chenhan)as for mine(2 spawns)i got 75%gold and the rest copper with golden finnages.good luck to your spawn and happy dreaming of gold. thanks and regards Derrick++

[Jung]

Hi Derrick,

Have not yet bred the coppers from you, as the female is too small. I am sure they are of good quality, of course. Bred your green pastel, though... Thanks.

[Jung]

Hi Derrick,

Have not yet bred the coppers from you, as the female is too small. I am sure they are of good quality, of course. Bred your green pastel, though... Thanks.

[Jung]

Have been working wild hybrids (hoping to achieve wild HMs) for quite a while... sweat and toil and uncertainty, cos selecting for both finnage and colour at the same time is a real pain. Maybe can share some experiences, hope to save some trouble for other members...

More and more, I suspect green, silver, copper, gold imbillis exhibit continuous variation, within the tones and shades.

[u]Outcrossing to HM</u>

Suspect turq in splendens and green in imbillis is not quite the same thing, genetically. Found out that more than 2 crosses to turq (to improve finnage), will cause the iridescence of the imbillis to be lost. What you are left with is a turq with poor finnage and red wash! Oops...

[u]White gold</u>

Somehow slightly better finnage (than green) when outcrossed to HM, cos maybe even the short tails are hybrids. The gold sheen is the main thing to pay attention to, and its easily lost. You need to cross with a fish with high

[Jung]

Have been working wild hybrids (hoping to achieve wild HMs) for quite a while... sweat and toil and uncertainty, cos selecting for both finnage and colour at the same time is a real pain. Maybe can share some experiences, hope to save some trouble for other members...

More and more, I suspect green, silver, copper, gold imbillis exhibit continuous variation, within the tones and shades.

[u]Outcrossing to HM</u>

Suspect turq in splendens and green in imbillis is not quite the same thing, genetically. Found out that more than 2 crosses to turq (to improve finnage), will cause the iridescence of the imbillis to be lost. What you are left with is a turq with poor finnage and red wash! Oops...

[u]White gold</u>

Somehow slightly better finnage (than green) when outcrossed to HM, cos maybe even the short tails are hybrids. The gold sheen is the main thing to pay attention to, and its easily lost. You need to cross with a fish with high

[Chris Yew]

Inventing new colors while retaining the shape of a HM is also important.

[quote]quote:Originally posted by Jung

Have been working wild hybrids (hoping to achieve wild HMs) for quite a while... sweat and toil and uncertainty, cos selecting for both finnage and colour at the same time is a real pain. Maybe can share some experiences, hope to save some trouble for other members...

More and more, I suspect green, silver, copper, gold imbillis exhibit continuous variation, within the tones and shades.

[u]Outcrossing to HM</u>

Suspect turq in splendens and green in imbillis is not quite the same thing, genetically. Found out that more than 2 crosses to turq (to improve finnage), will cause the iridescence of the imbillis to be lost. What you are left with is a turq with poor finnage and red wash! Oops...

[u]White gold</u>

Somehow slightly better finnage (than green) when outcrossed to HM, cos maybe even the short tails are hybrids. The gold sheen is the main thing to pay attention to, and its easily lost. You need to cross with a fish with high

[Chris Yew]

Inventing new colors while retaining the shape of a HM is also important.

[quote]quote:Originally posted by Jung

Have been working wild hybrids (hoping to achieve wild HMs) for quite a while... sweat and toil and uncertainty, cos selecting for both finnage and colour at the same time is a real pain. Maybe can share some experiences, hope to save some trouble for other members...

More and more, I suspect green, silver, copper, gold imbillis exhibit continuous variation, within the tones and shades.

[u]Outcrossing to HM</u>

Suspect turq in splendens and green in imbillis is not quite the same thing, genetically. Found out that more than 2 crosses to turq (to improve finnage), will cause the iridescence of the imbillis to be lost. What you are left with is a turq with poor finnage and red wash! Oops...

[u]White gold</u>

Somehow slightly better finnage (than green) when outcrossed to HM, cos maybe even the short tails are hybrids. The gold sheen is the main thing to pay attention to, and its easily lost. You need to cross with a fish with high

[Dr Hsu]

[br
More and more, I suspect green, silver, copper, gold imbillis exhibit continuous variation, within the tones and shades.

Fully agree with this

[u]Outcrossing to HM</u>

Suspect turq in splendens and green in imbillis is not quite the same thing, genetically. Found out that more than 2 crosses to turq (to improve finnage), will cause the iridescence of the imbillis to be lost. What you are left with is a turq with poor finnage and red wash! Oops...

Another possibility is that the preferred traits are not being passed on through your crosses in the right way. This is our (home breeder) disadvantage. Commercial breeders can do multiple spawns and select a precious few pairs with the right traits from the 1000s of fry produced

My $%*& male (I suspect it's him) has done it again - another nice spawn but all did not hatch! That's #4!!! Think I need to use his brother but unfortunately I had been neglecting him so his condition is the pits and not sure he can even breed!


[u]White gold</u>

Somehow slightly better finnage (than green) when outcrossed to HM, cos maybe even the short tails are hybrids. The gold sheen is the main thing to pay attention to, and its easily lost. You need to cross with a fish with high

[Dr Hsu]

[br
More and more, I suspect green, silver, copper, gold imbillis exhibit continuous variation, within the tones and shades.

Fully agree with this

[u]Outcrossing to HM</u>

Suspect turq in splendens and green in imbillis is not quite the same thing, genetically. Found out that more than 2 crosses to turq (to improve finnage), will cause the iridescence of the imbillis to be lost. What you are left with is a turq with poor finnage and red wash! Oops...

Another possibility is that the preferred traits are not being passed on through your crosses in the right way. This is our (home breeder) disadvantage. Commercial breeders can do multiple spawns and select a precious few pairs with the right traits from the 1000s of fry produced

My $%*& male (I suspect it's him) has done it again - another nice spawn but all did not hatch! That's #4!!! Think I need to use his brother but unfortunately I had been neglecting him so his condition is the pits and not sure he can even breed!


[u]White gold</u>

Somehow slightly better finnage (than green) when outcrossed to HM, cos maybe even the short tails are hybrids. The gold sheen is the main thing to pay attention to, and its easily lost. You need to cross with a fish with high

[Robson Loh]

Hi guys;:D

Guess I'm the new kid in the club. I'm really into the imbellis too. Nonetheless, I still find it hard to differentiate between the Gold and Copper imbellis[?];) In fact, I own one copper imbellis from White Aquarium and is in search of a gold imbellis. Also together with my Copper imbellis, I've a mask blue imbellis from Straits Aquarium.:)Hope you all can share more about this type of betta with me.[?] All your help is greatly appreciated.

[Robson Loh]

Hi guys;:D

Guess I'm the new kid in the club. I'm really into the imbellis too. Nonetheless, I still find it hard to differentiate between the Gold and Copper imbellis[?];) In fact, I own one copper imbellis from White Aquarium and is in search of a gold imbellis. Also together with my Copper imbellis, I've a mask blue imbellis from Straits Aquarium.:)Hope you all can share more about this type of betta with me.[?] All your help is greatly appreciated.

[Chris Yew]

Hi Robson,

Welcome and finally you're in here at the forum. Well, there are quite a number of guys here into imbellis. Have fun and enjoy! Feel free to ask anyone here any questions - remember there's no silly questions!

[Chris Yew]

Hi Robson,

Welcome and finally you're in here at the forum. Well, there are quite a number of guys here into imbellis. Have fun and enjoy! Feel free to ask anyone here any questions - remember there's no silly questions!

[derrick kuah]

hi , robson ,welcome. nice to hear from another imbellis guy. if you have difficult question than you should direct them to tohchenhan e-mailtohchenhan@yahoo.co.uk.he is verr..y good.i m in copper/gold and silver ,also mahachai , mahachiaxmask. i hgave quite a nos of spawns. so if you want to know the different first hand , you are alway welcome to visit me.call me at 96316409 or e-mail at derrickbettas@yahoo.com thanks and regards Derrick++

[derrick kuah]

hi , robson ,welcome. nice to hear from another imbellis guy. if you have difficult question than you should direct them to tohchenhan e-mailtohchenhan@yahoo.co.uk.he is verr..y good.i m in copper/gold and silver ,also mahachai , mahachiaxmask. i hgave quite a nos of spawns. so if you want to know the different first hand , you are alway welcome to visit me.call me at 96316409 or e-mail at derrickbettas@yahoo.com thanks and regards Derrick++

[Toh Chen Han]

Hi, thanks for the compliment Derrick. Robson, there are a number of imbellis enthusiasts in this forum and I am only one of them (and a junior one). I would be very happy to discuss imbellis with you. Dr Hsu and Jung have definitely more experience breeding them, and other members such as Derrick and Steven have also considerable experience with imbellis selection and breeding.

[Toh Chen Han]

Hi, thanks for the compliment Derrick. Robson, there are a number of imbellis enthusiasts in this forum and I am only one of them (and a junior one). I would be very happy to discuss imbellis with you. Dr Hsu and Jung have definitely more experience breeding them, and other members such as Derrick and Steven have also considerable experience with imbellis selection and breeding.

[Steven Cheng]

Hi guys, what a humble guy Chen Han is. His coppergolds are some of the best in form and color I have seen and his willingness to share is well appreciated by fellow hobbyists.
Alot is still not known about imbellis genetics and still more need to be done on establishing standards. Names like green, copper, copper gold, and white gold are just terms used to help differentiate the many varieties available. Many yet un-named are in the pipe-line, like Jung Keen's Imbellis X SD to mention just one of them(Thanks Jung for sharing your fish with me).

Let's work together thru sharing of information and physical resources whenever possible. Hopefully, we can come up with something that more people would fancy.

Welcome aboard. By the way Robson, where is your shop? Is it open for business already. Will drop by to look-see and talk.

[Toh Chen Han]

I wonder what happens if you cross coppergold with MG. Uncle JungKeen (hehe just kidding), any insights here? =)

[Toh Chen Han]

Thanks for the compliment Steven. Glad you liked the fish. =)

[jonpoh]

Anyone.. saw a silver pinkish copper imbellis before... It was stunning.... Saw it at Straits with Kenny Poh..
I guess that colour is still new and perhaps not establish.. Anyway.. I think that colour have a high chance of winning the IBC category..
Heard that they are sending it for competition in IBC..

regards

[Kenny Poh]

Yup, I was there with Jon Poh yesterday evening, and the imbellis we saw was indeed very unique, nothing like what we've seen before.

The body has a pinkish or champagne like colour, coupled with the imbellis like steel/silver irridescence on virtually all the scales and the caudal fins. The interplay between the base colour and the shiny steel/silver sheen on the scales, is indeed a sight to behold.

After talking to Diana, I think that this strain has yet to be fix, and that they intended to. They are sending this fella for IBC competitions in March, and they may try breeding him before this. They will most likely not be bringing him back, but to auction him off after the last show there.

I think that this guy will be a sure winner in the competitions to come, and this guy is probably a hybrid betw. the imbellis and the irridescent splendens.

Cheers,

Kenny

[Foo Hong]

Thailand bred this strain not too long ago lah !. I saw them last month at one of the breeder's inventory of coppers. It is basically a copper cambodian[light bodied] that managed to maintain the silvery shine, instead of a dark body which is the standard copper colour. Mind you the bloody Thais also already had Copper Deltas in ST and DT form. They come out of a copper spawn.

Enquire about a juvenile pair of copper deltas with one guy....8000 baht! fish only 1.25 inch...what an arse !

[jonpoh]

Wah.. Copper deltas ah...No wonder when I ask Straits why they are not doing it.. They said that the trend is still in short tail forms..
Ok. That gives the answer..



quote:Originally posted by Foo Hong

Thailand bred this strain not too long ago lah !. I saw them last month at one of the breeder's inventory of coppers. It is basically a copper cambodian[light bodied] that managed to maintain the silvery shine, instead of a dark body which is the standard copper colour. Mind you the bloody Thais also already had Copper Deltas in ST and DT form. They come out of a copper spawn.

Enquire about a juvenile pair of copper deltas with one guy....8000 baht! fish only 1.25 inch...what an arse !

[jonpoh]

In reference to your post concerning crossing HM to the imbellis.
You mentioned that the iridi is lost. I was wondering whether which fish is the imbellis that you cross? The male or female?
Not sure whether this is a sex link trait or not..

regards


[quote]quote:Originally posted by Jung

Have been working wild hybrids (hoping to achieve wild HMs) for quite a while... sweat and toil and uncertainty, cos selecting for both finnage and colour at the same time is a real pain. Maybe can share some experiences, hope to save some trouble for other members...

More and more, I suspect green, silver, copper, gold imbillis exhibit continuous variation, within the tones and shades.

[u]Outcrossing to HM</u>

Suspect turq in splendens and green in imbillis is not quite the same thing, genetically. Found out that more than 2 crosses to turq (to improve finnage), will cause the iridescence of the imbillis to be lost. What you are left with is a turq with poor finnage and red wash! Oops...

[u]White gold</u>

Somehow slightly better finnage (than green) when outcrossed to HM, cos maybe even the short tails are hybrids. The gold sheen is the main thing to pay attention to, and its easily lost. You need to cross with a fish with high

[Jonathan_Tan]

the trend now id in short tails but what colour or type ah?
just curious

[jonpoh]

No idea man.. I guess it is an colour under the sun.. But honestly speaking... I still like the pinkish silver I saw at straits.

regards

quote:Originally posted by Jonathan_Tan

the trend now id in short tails but what colour or type ah?
just curious

[Foo Hong]

If I know you guys are nuts oevr plakats, I shld have brought back some.

One of the breeder in Thailand also managed to breed pure the 'super mask plakat CT '. Wooww....its really very nice...really.

Asked him got super mask HM or not...he said.....XXGK&^#CWI(*%&*)&%#$@#
My friend translated as 'still working on it '

[Myron Tay]

Some pictures of the gold imbellis here:

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1264845

[geminilow]

Hi there, i'm a fan of imbellis as well. Just share some of the imbellis i'm keeping for everybodies eyes.:D

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[Godfrey Chen]

The female is very beautiful! Green? How much and where did you get it?

[Jonathan_Tan]

my latest imbellis spawns are mostly blue-green..something like jade..
also got a marble imbellis and some bluish looking imb..dunno wat to call them..

[geminilow]

quote:Originally posted by Godfrey Chen

The female is very beautiful! Green? How much and where did you get it?

Thanx for the compliment. Btw they are only 4-5 months old and i think the one you mention is a male[cnf] not too sure also since they're still young and all of them have such brilliant colors. will wait for a month or so to have a better picture.:D you interested? think i have a couple to spare.:D
Can PM me on this..[8D]
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[VinceTan]

you got any copper like the first pic to spare?
all from your spawns?

[geminilow]

[quote]Originally posted by VinceTan

you got any copper like the first pic to spare?
all from your spawns?

Ah... Seems you know what's good...[eb]Ops sorry!
got carried away...[pf] I agreed that's a good piece of "gold".
you noticed its scales from head to tail are covered in "gold" like arowana. But have to tell you i have only one piece of such quality left...:(Have another, although nice but not as good. Got this from a friend of mine at quite an expense$$$$$ you would not want to know how much i paid for it.... Btw have spawned the fish and he is a proud father of abt 10+ one-month old fries...[pf] Hopefully could get the same quality!! Quite difficult to breed him...
The "jade" you saw are from a different spawn, get them from a friend also....the rest of the spawn are what you saw...equality good, all "jade"...[8D]

[VinceTan]

jade?sound familiar.. u got from dotxedot from arofanatics?

both pieces are really nice

[geminilow]

quote:Originally posted by VinceTan

jade?sound familiar.. u got from dotxedot from arofanatics?

both pieces are really nice

Well...not too sure about my friend's commitment to aro.
Currently still have quite a few pieces
of good quality "jade".[^]
and they are available at white aquarium too and
nowdays if you give good $$$ you will be able to get good quality fish.:D

[Myron Tay]

Another gold betta:

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80132

[Myron Tay]

How's this for a variation on the metallic colours? Presenting the pearl betta (currently on aquabid):

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Myron Tay/200453161135_White Female.jpg

[Myron Tay]

Male version of the pearl or platimum white:

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Myron Tay/200453185918_White HM.jpg

[Myron Tay]

Grey pair:

http://www.bettaclub.org.sg/forum/uploaded/Myron Tay/20045319016_Grey.jpg

[paul kusmin]

i don't know if this is the right place to ask this but i recently picked up a copper plakat but the breeder couldn't tell me of it's bloodline. i would love to think it was a imbellis x, it shows prominant red along the anal fin but it's hard to distinguish the double bars associated with imbellis on it's gills. anyone help? he is a very hard subject to photograph.
http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/bkkgroup/copper1.jpg

[derrick kuah]

HI paul,
THink its a normal copper plakat. two or three year back , they are very hot(cos very new strain).The thai says that they are wild imbelliis and theY are going for $150.00 ea male and they will not sell any female(cartel by a group of breeder in thailand).
Now we know , they are actually cross bred imbellis.THe copper irres is dominant over others colour.simple english, if you breed them to any irees fish , you will get ireess fishes with the imbellis shin(shining pearls).Now you can get l;ot of variation off copper.. eg .: gold , platinum , black gold, mg gold, gold red etc etc .. goes on and on.DR Gene Lucas , was with us(bcs members), down at bkk , visiting fish farm . And he was amazed by the colour variation. Hope by now , he has a write out on the same i hope.
WE get even the long tail form(as above colour) nowaday , in dt ct and hms. The hms gold is very hot now , so expect to pay through your nose if you are looking for one in bkk.BY the way, our last bcs competition and our international show , are won by hms and ct gold(Grand champion).So that will be able to give a an indication of the colour..ha ha. Good luck in your fishes hunting.If you are looking for good quality fishes , maybe you should , look for some established breeder in bkk(eg .. Sarawaut(Siamimbellis), CholK(bettaboy),Suporn(bluebetta)...
Thanks and regards Derrick++

[paul kusmin]

quote:Originally posted by derrick kuah

HI paul,
THink its a normal copper plakat. two or three year back , they are very hot(cos very new strain).The thai says that they are wild imbelliis and theY are going for $150.00 ea male and they will not sell any female(cartel by a group of breeder in thailand).
Now we know , they are actually cross bred imbellis.THe copper irres is dominant over others colour.simple english, if you breed them to any irees fish , you will get ireess fishes with the imbellis shin(shining pearls).Now you can get l;ot of variation off copper.. eg .: gold , platinum , black gold, mg gold, gold red etc etc .. goes on and on.DR Gene Lucas , was with us(bcs members), down at bkk , visiting fish farm . And he was amazed by the colour variation. Hope by now , he has a write out on the same i hope.
WE get even the long tail form(as above colour) nowaday , in dt ct and hms. The hms gold is very hot now , so expect to pay through your nose if you are looking for one in bkk.BY the way, our last bcs competition and our international show , are won by hms and ct gold(Grand champion).So that will be able to give a an indication of the colour..ha ha. Good luck in your fishes hunting.If you are looking for good quality fishes , maybe you should , look for some established breeder in bkk(eg .. Sarawaut(Siamimbellis), CholK(bettaboy),Suporn(bluebetta)...
Thanks and regards Derrick++

thank you so much for your response derrick. it's great to be part of a community where everyone is soo knowledgable :) since my wife is from bbk i like to think i have a connection (at least in language) when it comes to thai fish. i'll be checking out those sites you mentioned.